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#391 The Shark

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Posted 25 January 2010 - 04:11 PM

Wow, Campbell really does understand Bond:

http://www.mi6.co.uk...d...=mi6&s=news

Can't believe Richie's name is coming up because of Holmes! Sherlock's a great, entertaining movie and a coup for Richie. I'm very happy for him and look forward to the sequel. However, the Holmes movie is really a cartoon, with cartoon action etc. Do we really want that for Bond, when it's finally on a true course? Nope.


It depends.

Fleming's novels often felt like a cross between noir detective thrillers and pulpy WWII comic books.

"Casino Royale of course was an opportunity to go back to the tone of the books which they never were in the original movies. They never have been. Even the [Sean] Connery movies are not in the same tone as the book. I was lucky enough to have an origin story."

I disagree strongly here. DN, FRWL, TB, and OHMSS in my opinion were far more Fleming-esque in tone, style and content than CR.

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Posted 25 January 2010 - 04:33 PM

Fleming's novels often felt like a cross between noir detective thrillers and pulpy WWII comic books.

"Casino Royale of course was an opportunity to go back to the tone of the books which they never were in the original movies. They never have been. Even the [Sean] Connery movies are not in the same tone as the book. I was lucky enough to have an origin story."

I disagree strongly here. DN, FRWL, TB, and OHMSS in my opinion were far more Fleming-esque in tone, style and content than CR.


I agree. This has been coming up in the "why should the films be like the books thread". Anyone who somehow thinks that "realism" was a hallmark of the books needs to go back and re-read the novels.

#393 Odd Jobbies

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Posted 25 January 2010 - 06:04 PM

I agree. This has been coming up in the "why should the films be like the books thread". Anyone who somehow thinks that "realism" was a hallmark of the books needs to go back and re-read the novels.


That polerizes this issue a little too much. I, nor i believe Campbell, is suggesting the books were relaistic. Nor are the films pure fantasy.

I think, left unchecked and pandering too much to the box office the films having drifted too close to fantasy. Thus throughout the opus we see a swing between the extremes of the cartoonish Moonraker and the poe faced License to kill.

There's no reason why, in capable hands such as Campbell's, the franchise can't employ fantasy without sacrificing the realism (As Campbell demonstrates in both of his films).

-Now, when i say realism, i don't mean depressing or dull, i mean opportunities to see the characters normally lost among the explosions (such as the shower scene in CR). This was far more exploited and successful in CR, not because Brosnan is a poor actor in GE (as Matador revealed, he's an excellent actor), but because Craig is such a hugely talented actor (we're very lucky to have him).

The biggest problem that i believe Campbell is identifying is that in the Bond films, arguably in Connery's films in particular, the character is a superman; to some extent Bond seems physically indestructible, but more importantly he's emotionally indestructible - almost without emotional weakness.

In the books, Bond is emotionally fallible, and most of his victories bring an emotional pathos; a great example is the end of the novel Moonraker [SPOILER] in which Bond defeats the bad guy and considers settling down with Gala Brand, only to see her walk off with her fiances. This would never happen to Connery and wouldn't sit too well. But it's a great end to the book that brings the character down to earth with a thud, adding much needed 'realism', reminding us that this fella is human. This makes him all the more heroic, if a little damaged and masochistic.

With this fresh more literal approach that Campbell speaks of, Craig is, for the first time sinse Lazenby's wonderfully improvised tears in the finale of OHMSS, giving us a Bond that has something to lose and therefore adventures with more jeopardy and tension - great assets when one's producing drama.

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Posted 25 January 2010 - 06:38 PM

http://www.flensburg...aiti-event.html
http://www.thestar.c...ad-haiti-brunch
Daniel Craig and his girlfriend Satsuki Mitchell leave the house of director Paul Haggis in Santa Monica Sunday afternoon, January 24th, 2010 after attending a fundraising event in support of Haiti held by charity Artists for Peace and Justice. Fame Pictures, Inc

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- Maybe he managed to slip a few words with Paul about progress on B23 over their $5000 a head plates?

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Posted 25 January 2010 - 06:42 PM

Hopefully QOS is the last the Haggfish will ever have to do with Bond.

That's right Craig, leave that house.

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Posted 25 January 2010 - 06:44 PM

Hopefully QOS is the last the Haggfish will ever have to do with Bond.

That's right Craig, leave that house.



Well the articles belong in the Haiti thread really but the haggis connection made me post them here.
Mods: move to relevant thread if necessary. B)

#397 Quantumofsolace007

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Posted 25 January 2010 - 10:37 PM

I think nearly all of us would prefer Sam Mendes as director to bond 23 over Paul Haggis.

Heck i think a few people here would prefer Adrian Paul as Director over Paul Haggis.

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Posted 26 January 2010 - 10:24 AM

I think nearly all of us would prefer Sam Mendes as director to bond 23 over Paul Haggis.

Heck i think a few people here would prefer Adrian Paul as Director over Paul Haggis.

Only you know who Adrian Paul is...

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Posted 26 January 2010 - 10:42 AM

Hopefully QOS is the last the Haggfish will ever have to do with Bond.

That's right Craig, leave that house.



How funny it is to see that Haggis is now also considered to be a terrible writer. Has it been so long since he was celebrated and credited as the only writer who really got Bond?

#400 Zorin Industries

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Posted 26 January 2010 - 10:47 AM

Fickle folk who haven't a clue...

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Posted 26 January 2010 - 10:56 AM

Hopefully QOS is the last the Haggfish will ever have to do with Bond.

That's right Craig, leave that house.



How funny it is to see that Haggis is now also considered to be a terrible writer. Has it been so long since he was celebrated and credited as the only writer who really got Bond?



Well said.

He wrote the best Bond screenplay ever. Then he himself says that the QoS script isn't finished because of the writer's strike, yet he still gets the blame for it's minor misgivings.

Fickle bunch indeed.

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Posted 26 January 2010 - 01:02 PM

I think nearly all of us would prefer Sam Mendes as director to bond 23 over Paul Haggis.

Heck i think a few people here would prefer Adrian Paul as Director over Paul Haggis.

Only you know who Adrian Paul is...

No several do As he was rumoured for bond at one point. Is he a household name no but Bond fans should know who he is.

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Posted 26 January 2010 - 01:03 PM

I think nearly all of us would prefer Sam Mendes as director to bond 23 over Paul Haggis.

Heck i think a few people here would prefer Adrian Paul as Director over Paul Haggis.

Only you know who Adrian Paul is...

No several do As he was rumoured for bond at one point.

No, he was not. That was probably only his rumour - and clearly part of some laboured attempts to self publicize - which, looking at his website (which you have to do in order to know anything about this blatant unknown), is something he excels at more than getting decent acting work. He doesn't even look right.

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Posted 26 January 2010 - 01:34 PM

Hopefully QOS is the last the Haggfish will ever have to do with Bond.

That's right Craig, leave that house.



How funny it is to see that Haggis is now also considered to be a terrible writer. Has it been so long since he was celebrated and credited as the only writer who really got Bond?



Well said.

He wrote the best Bond screenplay ever. Then he himself says that the QoS script isn't finished because of the writer's strike, yet he still gets the blame for it's minor misgivings.

Fickle bunch indeed.


It's so painfully true. Well, painful it must be for those fickle, I couldn't care less.

CR was truly one of the best Bond screenplays of all time. Certainly full of depth and with unquestionably some of the best dialogue since Maibaum's early efforts.

Then he writes QOS with several re-starts, a complete re-conception (by indications) at the behest of the director, and facing an imminent deadline which is months ahead of where he would have otherwise normally completed his work.

And when the results are noticeably less stellar than their predecessor, people suddenly assume he's the worst. Sigh.

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Posted 26 January 2010 - 02:37 PM

To Zorin

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7670126/


It took literally 5 second to find this article Give me some time I can Come up with like 20 others Adrian Paul was metioned by fans and few news sources and magazines. He was good in highlander I'm not sure if that is beacuse of the writing or his acting and I don't care I love the show and I wish Highlander was a more accepted franchise but If i was wishing for things Highlander being an accepted franchise is not in my top 5. As for him as director I'm not getting into that Argument again if I was wishing for thing I have a few more important wishes (Full time job rather then temp work, my own place, etc) then Adrian Paul directing bond 23.



For the others on the Haggis conversation. I disliked Haggis when i found out what he really wanted to do with bond 22 (Bond having a kid... some Fleming Ideas should not come onto film)if he ever returns I'll not scream and cry in the streets but i will be slightly worried about the output. That said I loved Casino royale and Quantum of Solace and I'm looking foward to bond 23.


However I find it much more comical Haggis is given full credit for Casino Royale. Neal Purvis and Robert Wade wrote a majority of the script and what you see on screen.

Yet they are demonized and Haggis and Campbell are given godhood? I'll pay someone to explain that to me....

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Posted 26 January 2010 - 02:51 PM

To I find it much more comical Haggis is given full credit for Casino Royale. Neal Purvis and Robert Wade wrote a majority of the script and what you see on screen.

All three of them were given equal screen credit.

To Zorin

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7670126/


It took literally 5 second to find this article Give me some time I can Come up with like 20 others Adrian Paul was metioned by fans and few news sources and magazines.

"Fans" and "news sources"... but not any casting directors remotely linked to Eon HQ...? Are these the same "fans" who touted Clive Owen because he wore a tux in THE CROUPIER? Anyway, I think the only person stoking the "Adrian Paul as Bond" fire was, er, Adrian Paul.

I disliked Haggis when i found out what he really wanted to do with bond 22 (Bond having a kid... some Fleming Ideas should not come onto film)if he ever returns I'll not scream and cry in the streets but i will be slightly worried about the output.

Can I ask what other projects penned by Paul Haggis you have seen?

As for him as director I'm not getting into that Argument again if I was wishing for thing I have a few more important wishes (Full time job rather then temp work, my own place, etc) then Adrian Paul directing bond 23.

On that note, I wish you luck. Life has the oddest way of surprising us when we least expect it. Hang on in there.

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Posted 26 January 2010 - 05:23 PM

How about Stuart Baird?

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Posted 26 January 2010 - 05:37 PM

To Zorin

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7670126/



For the others on the Haggis conversation. I disliked Haggis when i found out what he really wanted to do with bond 22 (Bond having a kid... some Fleming Ideas should not come onto film)if he ever returns I'll not scream and cry in the streets but i will be slightly worried about the output. That said I loved Casino royale and Quantum of Solace and I'm looking foward to bond 23.


I can't disagree - that whole thing was an atrocious idea. But we can't really condemn somebody for something they only considered in a brainstorming session, can we?

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Posted 26 January 2010 - 05:42 PM

Hopefully QOS is the last the Haggfish will ever have to do with Bond.

That's right Craig, leave that house.



How funny it is to see that Haggis is now also considered to be a terrible writer. Has it been so long since he was celebrated and credited as the only writer who really got Bond?


I never supported or celebrated his efforts.

CR's script is far from perfect, and QOS's failings are far more than being unfinished.

Personally I couldn't stand a lot of CR's contrived, portentous dialogue.

And yes, I've watched IN THE VALLEY OF ELLAH, CRASH, MILLION DOLLAR BABY and LETTERS FROM IWO JIMA numerous times.

The less said the better.

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Posted 31 January 2010 - 01:09 PM

If Mendes doesn't end up signing on the dottted line or for a later entry, French Director Jean-François Richet would be worth a consideration.

Maybe his direction of the Assault on Precinct 13 remake might not be enough to convince but his direction on Mesrine Parts 1 & 2 show here's guy able to handle a big budget and shoot thrilling action sequences as well as good character development, none of the problems that Forster supposedly had with QOS.

I would even say Mesrine star Vincent Cassel would be a good shout for Bond villain in a future entry, seeing Craig go up against him would be thrilling.

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Posted 02 February 2010 - 10:34 PM

UI'm tempted though to go with Brian Synger Usual Suspects and Xmen were both good films and would ber good for bond 23.


I don't think that Singer would be a good choice for Bond. His X-Men movies are awful (although admittedly better than the third film), and Valkyrie was one of the most disappointing films I've seen in quite some time.


I agree. I loathe X-Men, it's an awful series. Valkyrie was terrible as well, one of the worst films of 2009, in my opinion.

I'm up for Mendes, if Eon can grab him!

Biglow would be a great idea as well, I wouldn't object,



While i hope for mendes

here is why I metion Brian Singer




If bond 23 could have this kind of mystery i'd be happy B)

#412 DamnCoffee

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Posted 02 February 2010 - 10:45 PM

You're easily happy.

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Posted 02 February 2010 - 11:00 PM

You're easily happy.

i fail to see why that is a bad thing

besides Imagine if Quantum's head is a whisper people here No one is even sure if the man is real or just a boogey man made up to scare Quantum's undeling's into submission.

that idea would work well with a title like "A whisper of love A whisper of Hate"

with at the end of that movie bond has sense of who this ghost of a man is and the next film has him hunting him down.


Mharkin if u can give me a director who can showcase Suspense Mystery and thriller aspects yet keep Bond well Bond please I'd love to hear your suggestions.


And Yes i know they never did a bond film where you didn't know who the main villian was well there is always time for a first.

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Posted 03 February 2010 - 10:34 AM

You're easily happy.

i fail to see why that is a bad thing

besides Imagine if Quantum's head is a whisper people here No one is even sure if the man is real or just a boogey man made up to scare Quantum's undeling's into submission.

that idea would work well with a title like "A whisper of love A whisper of Hate"

with at the end of that movie bond has sense of who this ghost of a man is and the next film has him hunting him down.


Mharkin if u can give me a director who can showcase Suspense Mystery and thriller aspects yet keep Bond well Bond please I'd love to hear your suggestions.


And Yes i know they never did a bond film where you didn't know who the main villian was well there is always time for a first.

An early notion for THE WORLD IS NOT ENOUGH was that RENARD was already dead at the start of the film. You could argue that SOLACE did not have a villain as such but rather a stepping stone in the likes of GREENE. A Bond film would not have no villain as such.

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Posted 03 February 2010 - 04:30 PM

You're easily happy.

i fail to see why that is a bad thing

besides Imagine if Quantum's head is a whisper people here No one is even sure if the man is real or just a boogey man made up to scare Quantum's undeling's into submission.

that idea would work well with a title like "A whisper of love A whisper of Hate"

with at the end of that movie bond has sense of who this ghost of a man is and the next film has him hunting him down.


Mharkin if u can give me a director who can showcase Suspense Mystery and thriller aspects yet keep Bond well Bond please I'd love to hear your suggestions.


And Yes i know they never did a bond film where you didn't know who the main villian was well there is always time for a first.

An early notion for THE WORLD IS NOT ENOUGH was that RENARD was already dead at the start of the film. You could argue that SOLACE did not have a villain as such but rather a stepping stone in the likes of GREENE. A Bond film would not have no villain as such.

well i didn't mean no villian but the idea of renard being dead only to come back from the dead half way or toward the end of the film and reveal he's been pulling the string all along... That sounds really cool i would love them to be that gutsy and try something like that.

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Posted 03 February 2010 - 04:53 PM

But that has happened before. My point was that the villain was dead already when the show starts. But it's not workable...not for a Bond film.

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Posted 03 February 2010 - 04:56 PM

well i didn't mean no villian but the idea of renard being dead only to come back from the dead half way or toward the end of the film and reveal he's been pulling the string all along... That sounds really cool i would love them to be that gutsy and try something like that.



Go and watch GoldenEye, too.

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Posted 03 February 2010 - 05:02 PM

And DIAMONDS.

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Posted 03 February 2010 - 07:34 PM

Sigh i feel like half the time my suggestions are ignored or just out right made fun of.


Glodneye did it true but extremly poorly in fact I'm still not sure how we are suppose to believe 006 and 007 are best friends.

Diamonds are forever did it was well but again poorly (and bond looked like a used car salesmen for 95% of the film but that is neither here nor there)

I don't mean oh i'm dead but ha ha I'm really not..


I mean literaly like Keyser Soze I want this villian to be creepy and terryfying because mi6 believe he's a myth/dead only 007 and M believe he faked his death also I want this character (for arguments sake we'll call him Dr Guthom Von Shatterhand) to be in the background of the next 2 films not a key player at all. not like blofield in From russia with love more of a whisper bond starts to hear. His name could come up in diaolgue between Bond and bond 23's main villian like this

"trust me Mr. Bond Killing me won't stop anything Dr. Shatterhand is who you have to worry about"

lets allow the fear of this character to build up to an almost supernatural sence. the one thing I love about the world is not enough is the fear the Cigar woman has of Renard the fact that she knows Mi6 can't protect her from Him make him more dangerous.

That is what i want.


I want this character to come across as the Devil himself in human form. someone who doesn't stroke a cat and make vague threats but a man so terrifying people would rather kill themselves that face the wrath of this man.


Someone Pure Evil.

It hasn't been done in a bond film before. Though i fear my idea is so radical most would ultamitly reject it because not even fleming himself went beyond a certain point when it comes to fear and usepnse about a character... However I have faith in the current team to be able to not only pull my idea off but make it bondian and terryfying at the same time.


But what do I know I like Quantum of Solace and feel bond in america is not a bad thing.

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Posted 03 February 2010 - 08:05 PM

Sigh i feel like half the time my suggestions are ignored or just out right made fun of.

Not at all. Just some of us are sticklers for accuracy...

Glodneye did it true but extremly poorly in fact I'm still not sure how we are suppose to believe 006 and 007 are best friends.

I don't know... they are the same age, colleagues, wear similiar clothes, share their initial scenes in the film together, both are British.....

It hasn't been done in a bond film before. Though i fear my idea is so radical most would ultamitly reject it because not even fleming himself went beyond a certain point when it comes to fear and usepnse about a character...

So why would a film take on Bond cross that line?

Bond films don't operate on those levels. It is a strong idea... but not for a Bond movie. Even LIVE AND LET DIE the film has to tell us the voodoo element is not for real and that the villain is just exploiting fear (now THAT is where you could go with this...).

I.....feel bond in america is not a bad thing.

Neither do I ... ;O)