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[CM007]

I agree in so far as the first half hour was severely underwhelming in my eyes.
But the rest made more than up for it.

I agree. I was beginning to think "Oh lord, this is going to be another 'World Is Not Enough.'" But then he knocked that guy off the motorbike. That turned it around for me.

Yeah not only did he knock the man of the Bike but in doing so he sent the bike into the air....So now not only had Bond got Superman´s hearing but also his strenght...Jaysus I´d better stop....The worst Bond movie in the Franchise,and it deffo has the worst Gunbarrel......Bring On Bourne 4

Sorry, but you've lost me with this one, DLibrasnow. How can you seriously think that this film is worse than Die Another Day, the one where BOND DRIVES AN INVISIBLE CAR, TEAMS UP WITH HALLE BERRY AND SHAGS MONEYPENNY, WHILE SPOUTING UNBELIEVABLY STUPID PUNS THAT MAKE ROGER MOORE'S LINES SOUND LIKE BLOODY SHAKESPEARE???

Well, I really enjoyed QUANTUM OF SOLACE. I don't find it flawless by any stretch (unlike CASINO ROYALE), but then again I did have a bloody good time at the cinema, which is really all that matters.

However....

I think I like DIE ANOTHER DAY even more.

Me too.I just finished watchind Die Another Day and totally enjoyed it,Great Fun.Bad movie though

[Bond Bug]

I agree with this review. For me it is the worst Bond movie. It is flat - it has nothing to do with understanding it or not. The movie does not work in so many ways. it lacks any fun and does not make up for it in either suspense or compelling characters or a decent story and the editing is like Film School Week Two.

It is sad that long-term Bond fans did not like the movie, but I don't agree with suggesting people don't watch it.

Go watch it - you may be among the ones who enjoy it. And if you are a Bond fan you HAVE to watch it anyway!

[Tarl_Cabot]

Sorry, but you've lost me with this one, DLibrasnow. How can you seriously think that this film is worse than Die Another Day, the one where BOND DRIVES AN INVISIBLE CAR, TEAMS UP WITH HALLE BERRY AND SHAGS MONEYPENNY, WHILE SPOUTING UNBELIEVABLY STUPID PUNS THAT MAKE ROGER MOORE'S LINES SOUND LIKE BLOODY SHAKESPEARE???

Well, I really enjoyed QUANTUM OF SOLACE. I don't find it flawless by any stretch (unlike CASINO ROYALE), but then again I did have a bloody good time at the cinema, which is really all that matters.

However....

I think I like DIE ANOTHER DAY even more.

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!

[Loomis]

Sorry, dude.

Hey, Tarl, you seen QUANTUM yet?

[MattofSteel]

I agree with this review. For me it is the worst Bond movie. It is flat - it has nothing to do with understanding it or not. The movie does not work in so many ways. it lacks any fun and does not make up for it in either suspense or compelling characters or a decent story and the editing is like Film School Week Two.

It is sad that long-term Bond fans did not like the movie, but I don't agree with suggesting people don't watch it.

Go watch it - you may be among the ones who enjoy it. And if you are a Bond fan you HAVE to watch it anyway!

The argument that the film is devoid of humour and fun is absolute horse manure to me, but I respect your opinion. Check out my review thread to see why I think so.

This film was, like Haggis said, tonally in line with CR and played well to the audience. My screening had all the requisite laughs, and I, myself, was always part of them.

[Colossus]

DLibrasnow thinks Never Say Never Again is the best Bond film ever so I'm going to have to take this review with a grain of salt.

And that is a great Bond so what's the problem?

[dodge]

Brother, you sure said it. It is the absolute worst of the bunch. It's the only Bond film I'll never watch again. Horrible beyond description. But one good thing may come of it: it may compell many to reassess the other Bonds and to appreciate their efforts more. Brozza looks better and better to me after viewing this one. But I don't blame Craig a bit: the blame falls squarely on Forster.

[Bond Bug]

I agree with this review. For me it is the worst Bond movie. It is flat - it has nothing to do with understanding it or not. The movie does not work in so many ways. it lacks any fun and does not make up for it in either suspense or compelling characters or a decent story and the editing is like Film School Week Two.

It is sad that long-term Bond fans did not like the movie, but I don't agree with suggesting people don't watch it.

Go watch it - you may be among the ones who enjoy it. And if you are a Bond fan you HAVE to watch it anyway!

The argument that the film is devoid of humour and fun is absolute horse manure to me, but I respect your opinion. Check out my review thread to see why I think so.

This film was, like Haggis said, tonally in line with CR and played well to the audience. My screening had all the requisite laughs, and I, myself, was always part of them.

Don't mean to sound impertinent, but what precisely were you laughing at?

[Tarl_Cabot]

Sorry, dude.

Hey, Tarl, you seen QUANTUM yet?

No, not yet...it opened today, 2 weeks after just about every country on earth has seen it.

[__7]

Brother, you sure said it. It is the absolute worst of the bunch. It's the only Bond film I'll never watch again. Horrible beyond description. But one good thing may come of it: it may compell many to reassess the other Bonds and to appreciate their efforts more. Brozza looks better and better to me after viewing this one. But I don't blame Craig a bit: the blame falls squarely on Forster.

Unbeleivable. Its almost as if Eon put out two versions of the movie. A crap version for all the hand-wringers to criticize, and a great version for the rest of us sheep to enjoy. I for one am just fine being a sheep on this one. Outstanding film.

[MattofSteel]

I agree with this review. For me it is the worst Bond movie. It is flat - it has nothing to do with understanding it or not. The movie does not work in so many ways. it lacks any fun and does not make up for it in either suspense or compelling characters or a decent story and the editing is like Film School Week Two.

It is sad that long-term Bond fans did not like the movie, but I don't agree with suggesting people don't watch it.

Go watch it - you may be among the ones who enjoy it. And if you are a Bond fan you HAVE to watch it anyway!

The argument that the film is devoid of humour and fun is absolute horse manure to me, but I respect your opinion. Check out my review thread to see why I think so.

This film was, like Haggis said, tonally in line with CR and played well to the audience. My screening had all the requisite laughs, and I, myself, was always part of them.

Don't mean to sound impertinent, but what precisely were you laughing at?

Not impertinent at all. The script's dialogue is layered with a very classical sense of wit to me - like it's ripped right from a 60s Connery film. It's the polar opposite kind of humour to late Roger or late Pierce, and I dig it. It's about the cleverness of the humour for me or the concept of it, rather than just yet another play on words.

I re-watched TWINE last week. The entire Bilbao scene is just a trading of quips based on wordplay surrounding banking jargon. Comical, but not impressively funny to me. Now it's my turn not to sound impertinent .

But Quantum?

"Time to get out now."
"If they wanted his soul, they should have sent a priest."
Motorcycle theft.

And that's just 3 that jumped out of the first 15 minutes, I know there's more. Basically anything in this thread:

http://debrief.comma...showtopic=50931

Like I said. Tonally? Pretty close to CR.

[Fiona Volpe lover]

I was planning on waiting before posting a review of the monstrosity that is Quantum of Solace but decided that I needed to warn everyone - do not waste your time or money on the turkey that EON just unloaded on the public. Don't reward MGW and Babs Broccoli for what truly is a painful experience.

Since I started following James Bond 007 in the movie theater in 1979 there has been only one instance (The World is not Enough) in which I have refused to watch the movie a second time in the cinema - until now.

In fact Quantum of Solace is such a horrible experience that it actually makes The World is not Enough shine in comparison - and pretty much evceryone on here knows how much I dislike the 1999 Pierce Brosnan effort.

But don't blame Daniel Craig. Craig is hampered here by a script that makes no sense and a director who obviously has no idea what makes a good action movie. Indeed to refer to this as Bourne-like is an insult to the Bourne series.

If EON plan on making more Bond movies like this - then I wish they wouldn't bother - just put Bond to bed and leave us with our good feelings towards the character, rather than sour our impressions with more like this POS.

I'm searching here to say something positive about the movie - and it's hard. Craig does a good job and is ably supported by Dame Judi Dench. Olga is an attractive heroine with her own mission but Gemma Arterton (who is considerably IMO more attractive) is criminaaly underused. Arterton provided an intersting spark to an otherwise dull and boring snore-fest.

Of particular note is the title track and the main titles. They complement each other only in how bad and mediocre they are. One man actually walked out in disgust before they were over (undoubtedly to demand his money back). The gunbarrel is also a mistake and the couple next to me were laughing at Craigs Monty Python-esque walk. Me, I was stunned into silence by just how bad the movie was I had just seen unfold before me.

I really wanted to like this movie. I read the reviews and shrugged them off as just critics being critics, but they were unfortunately right. This movie gets a big thumbs down. I want the two hours back I wasted on this Marc Forster garbage.

Perfect review. I really wanted to like it too, but after 20 mins it was "what kind of s*** is this!"

[marktmurphy]

Personally, I simply cannot see how they consider it a bad film - the same way I'm sure they can't figure out how I could possibly call it good.

I can see perfectly why people enjoyed it- it's a pacy, decently made action film. I just think it's a total disappointment after CR- it doesn't build on it at all.
So please don't speak for others- just because you can't see another's point of view doesn't mean that others can't see yours.

[007Art]

I respect any review, any feelings.
I just want to say, as an "37 years old fan" that I loved QoS, even more after my second screening.
It's modern, it's tough, it's breathing, innovatiive. Why should I wait for the death of Bond, repeating conventional scenes (PTS, M, Moneypenny, Q, Gadgets)?
Now it's new and still - well - more and more Bondian! Close to Fleming'character and style! Wake up! After reading all the Bond's novels (Fleming, Amis, Gardner and Benson, even the last one Devil May Cares) I enjoy QoS at a very high degree!
Please, if you hated it, take a look, take some time to see it twice...

[Tarl_Cabot]

Don't waste your time or money on this POS


Hmm...yeah, right. I gotta see it once. If it's as bad as you say I'll see it once and decline to purchase the DVD(like I did with DAD).

[DLibrasnow]

I wasn't referring to you. Just that supposed couple next to you. But why does it matter. You didn't like the film. That's your choice, of course it is. But it's not very civil to demand others avoid and a franchise you have got great pleasure from.

I did not demand that people avoid the movie. I merely gave my opinion on the movie and even told Dove that I hoped he enjoys the movie when he sees it. I personally see few redeeming features to the movie but I did include them in my review.

I am not going to say a bad movie is good just because it's a James Bond movie or tow the CBn party line just to make people feel better about a naff movie. Sorry, in my opinion Quantum of Solace sucks.

I must go check some of the Quantum of Solace reviews that are positive here to see if the writers have been subjected to the same one-line cheap shots (not refering to you Zorin Industries)

I hate to break the news to you all, but people are allowed to not like the film.

Darren didn't like the film and he posted his review. He didn't go in to a positive QOS thread and say "You really should watch it again. Give it time - you'll find that it sucks."

Yet people are doing the opposite to him and putting him down because he likes NSNA.

Debate is healthy and I know we don't want to have the "I hate QOS" part of the forums totally separate from the "I love QOS" part of forums.

But I've heard from a few long standing CBn members who aren't happy with the way opinions aren't respected.

I really didn't like the film either, but when discussing it I did start with the parts I did like, and I reiterate - if you loved the film, I'm honestly happy for you.

Please don't act like people are retarded for not liking it - because plenty of us think it was abysmal.

Thanks Charles.

[The Dove]

Darren, so sorry you're having to face a lot of negative attacks just because you didn't like the film.. I can respect your opinion..On the bright side, if there are as many things wrong with the film as you say, we can have our hopes set on EON fixing them for Bond 23.. I guess we were all spoiled a bit by how good Casino Royale was..very little to complain about in that.. so oh well here's to you looking forward to Bond 23.

As for me, all these attacks, and bitching and arguing has seriously given me a headache!! So my plan is to go see the film, one or two times before posting my review. Once that is done, I'll be taking a leave of abscence from CBN and in general Bond for a while.. A good break is sorely called for in my case, but I'll be around once in a while, but I think I need to recharge my Bond batteries so to speak! LOL

[Ravenstone]

Well, I'm not sure whether they're serious questions, or whether an answer is actually required, but with regards to why the bike rears in the air - Bond knocks the guy's hand off the clutch. The bike is in gear. It makes the bike rear up. It's not Bond's 'superhuman strength' that's making the bike rear; it's the bike itself. That's what happens when you dump a clutch. It's also one way of doing a wheelie.

It is somewhat exaggerated for effect, but considering the bull[censored] films usually dish out with regards to riding a motorbike, it's not utterly implausible.

As for 'how does Bond know Camille is to be killed' - he's given a briefcase with her picture and a gun in it. That's before he gets out of the car and gets on the bike. Hanging around the docks, it's pretty safe to assume from the way she's manhandled onto the boat that she's not particularly willing.

[columbo]

when i come to the cinema to see quantum i was very nervous because the bad critics...but i liked it!!!

and i'm not a fan of Brosnan movies and some spinoffs like Bourne or XXX.

I d'nt know why, maybe because i have read all the fleming books last weeks, but i like the movie.

Okay..its not the best one.

The big problems is that we feel that is only a chapter 2. Its not a NEW movie.
Its the continuation of casino!

Other problem is there's no time for Breath!
Its action, action, action.

And maybe is that the worst mistake.

The Quantum/Greene and the conection with Vesper is not well understood too.

Kurilenko is Great.
Almaric is well!
Gema Aterton have a VERY VERY small paper....

But, i liked it.

I love the begginning. (the Title sequence is maybe one of the betters since moore, i think so)
I love the end. ( is a Fleming Bond, like in the novel Moonraker or OHMSS)

I am digesting yet the movie.
but it think it is better thn I espected

[Shaun Forever]

It's easily the worse James Bond film ever made.


Pains me to say that, but that's just how I feel.

[Bond Bug]

I agree with this review. For me it is the worst Bond movie. It is flat - it has nothing to do with understanding it or not. The movie does not work in so many ways. it lacks any fun and does not make up for it in either suspense or compelling characters or a decent story and the editing is like Film School Week Two.

It is sad that long-term Bond fans did not like the movie, but I don't agree with suggesting people don't watch it.

Go watch it - you may be among the ones who enjoy it. And if you are a Bond fan you HAVE to watch it anyway!

The argument that the film is devoid of humour and fun is absolute horse manure to me, but I respect your opinion. Check out my review thread to see why I think so.

This film was, like Haggis said, tonally in line with CR and played well to the audience. My screening had all the requisite laughs, and I, myself, was always part of them.

Don't mean to sound impertinent, but what precisely were you laughing at?

Not impertinent at all. The script's dialogue is layered with a very classical sense of wit to me - like it's ripped right from a 60s Connery film. It's the polar opposite kind of humour to late Roger or late Pierce, and I dig it. It's about the cleverness of the humour for me or the concept of it, rather than just yet another play on words.

I re-watched TWINE last week. The entire Bilbao scene is just a trading of quips based on wordplay surrounding banking jargon. Comical, but not impressively funny to me. Now it's my turn not to sound impertinent .

But Quantum?

"Time to get out now."
"If they wanted his soul, they should have sent a priest."
Motorcycle theft.

And that's just 3 that jumped out of the first 15 minutes, I know there's more. Basically anything in this thread:

http://debrief.comma...showtopic=50931

Like I said. Tonally? Pretty close to CR.

I will say that although I was not amused and felt the movie lacked humor, at least it did not go down the vulgar route of Die Another Day:

Bond: I'm an ornithologist.
Jinx: (looking at Bond's crotch) Oh, there's a mouthful.

[Tarl_Cabot]

It's mathematically impossible to be worse than Die Another Day.

[DLibrasnow]

It's mathematically impossible to be worse than Die Aother Day.

LOL.

Wait until you see the movie Tarl. I'd hate to be sticking up for a movie and then seeing it and realizing it sucked and I was going to have to eat Crow

[Tarl_Cabot]

It's mathematically impossible to be worse than Die Aother Day.

LOL.

Wait until you see the movie Tarl. I'd hate to be sticking up for a movie and then seeing it and realizing it sucked and I was going to have to eat Crow

I'll catch it tommorow and post my comments...maybe the low expectations you've given me will make this the greatest Bond movie ever...or at least better than the last two Brosnan turkeys.

[1q2w3e4r]

Seems for the large part, people who don't like it like the Brosnan efforts. Which is all fine and well, GoldenEye was a fun film. DAD was atrocious, an utterly appalling film made up of two parts, which don't blend. The series lost its entire credibility with that film.

Personally I like the direction the character has taken and where the producers are going. I want to see more of the guy Fleming put on the page and so far CR and QOS have delivered that.

To the chap who couldn't understand how Bond knew Camille was to be "killed" when you open a briefcase and there is a gun and photo of someone I think it's pretty self explanatory. But that's just me.


I love the talk about the motorbike. We could always discuss Bond's parasurfing sequence, or driving a jet powered ice dragster off a cliff after outrunning a space beam... Probably best left for another thread.

Sorry you didn't like the film.

[sark]

Has anyone brought up the fact that not only are people saying QoS is worse than MR or DAD, but worse than Casino Royale, 1967 edition?

I don't think anyone could make a film as bad as CR1967 if they tried.

[Doctor Shatterhand]

I hate to break the news to you all, but people are allowed to not like the film.

I agree with doublenoughtspy, if anyone has an opposing opinion, they are entitled to it. One man's meat is another man's poison. Please be civil when it comes to another's opinion.

[MattofSteel]

Personally, I simply cannot see how they consider it a bad film - the same way I'm sure they can't figure out how I could possibly call it good.

I can see perfectly why people enjoyed it- it's a pacy, decently made action film. I just think it's a total disappointment after CR- it doesn't build on it at all.
So please don't speak for others- just because you can't see another's point of view doesn't mean that others can't see yours.

I am in no way speaking for others sir - in fact I went out of my way with the quoted statement to make that point.

I'm merely saying, my personal viewpoint is that this film is FAR from being anything bad, and I'm sincerely puzzled by some content within the particularly negative reviews - those along the lines of 'worst Bond ever.' And what I'm saying, is that those on the other side of the fence, who think it's the worst Bond, are probably puzzled as to why I'm defending it.

I'm not speaking for anyone. I'm just highlighting how puzzled I am by the polarization.

[JeffWest]

Has anyone brought up the fact that not only are people saying QoS is worse than MR or DAD, but worse than Casino Royale, 1967 edition?

I don't think anyone could make a film as bad as CR1967 if they tried.

Someone who hadn't seen it yet asked what I thought of "Quantum of Solace," and I said that many people will like it and many will hate it, but all would agree it's the weirdest Bond movie.

And he said, "Weirder than the 'Casino Royale' that came out in 1967?"

I was surprised, because I assumed he was a "civilian" and didn't know about the '67 "Royale." So I laughed and said, "It's the weirdest one since then."

To the chap who couldn't understand how Bond knew Camille was to be "killed" when you open a briefcase and there is a gun and photo of someone I think it's pretty self explanatory. But that's just me.

I got it when I saw it, and you got it, too. But the editing is at fault here. The image of the gun and the photo in the briefcase flashes by so quickly that if you turn your head for a split second you miss it. Forster's hyper cutting hurts the movie.

[Kristian]

DLibrasnow thinks Never Say Never Again is the best Bond film ever so I'm going to have to take this review with a grain of salt.

And that is a great Bond so what's the problem?

In YOUR opinion, it is a great Bond. The problem is that opinions are like orifices. We all have 'em.