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[quantumofsolace]

"Cinemas Score" is a company that measures audience reaction to a film and demographics, invariably on opening weekend. They used to use little cards passed out at the beginning of showings in certain cinemas, but I don't know what they use now.

Lower Cinema Score ratings often portend faster declines in box office.

Opening weekends for "sequels" are often defined by audience reaction to the previous film, and strongly linked to DVD / Blu-ray sales of that title (see Austin Powers and Batman Begins).

Casino Royale did not make "blockbuster status" in the US, but it was a film that was well-loved by a wide swath of viewers. They are coming in droves to see QoS. While I loved the film, there is little doubt that the reaction across the board is more mixed. I'm finding that DLibra is not the only one who needs two viewings to take to the movie. Next weekend will be very telling as to the long-term success of the movie.

keep dancing....

read the Bonita review here: http://debrief.comma...showtopic=51624

Just bcause it has opened big does not mean it will sustain ticket sales. It won't. It doesn't have the love that the last film has and so the box office will drop sharply. What I have suspected is happening. ie a huge opening and then a sharp tail off.

Edited by quantumofsolace, 17 November 2008 - 03:49 PM.

[MattofSteel]

I don't think anyone can deny the fact that the film is taking a Quantum of lumps for nothing more than the fact that it is IN the shadow of CR. If this film had followed DAD, people would be praising it for a lot of the things CR took credit for.

Of course there will be a second-week dropoff, and of course some naysayers will be proclaiming it is the first sign that we've got a "terrible" film. They won't cite the fact that this Twilight monster is supposed to open huge. They won't cite the fact that all the hardcore fans rushed out the first weekend. They won't PREEMPTIVELY THINK about the fact that Bond has no blockbuster competition through the holidays and will play right through to January with the solid legs that any Bond film enjoys.

I'm not generalizing. Just saying, a lot of the judgement levelled at this movie is because of what it's not, as opposed to what it is. You could make the argument that EVERY Bond film could have potentially been "the Best Bond ever if they'd just fixed a few things."

[bondrules]

I'm not generalizing. Just saying, a lot of the judgement levelled at this movie is because of what it's not, as opposed to what it is.

I agree.

[YOLT]

"Cinemas Score" is a company that measures audience reaction to a film and demographics, invariably on opening weekend. They used to use little cards passed out at the beginning of showings in certain cinemas, but I don't know what they use now.

Lower Cinema Score ratings often portend faster declines in box office.

Opening weekends for "sequels" are often defined by audience reaction to the previous film, and strongly linked to DVD / Blu-ray sales of that title (see Austin Powers and Batman Begins).

Casino Royale did not make "blockbuster status" in the US, but it was a film that was well-loved by a wide swath of viewers. They are coming in droves to see QoS. While I loved the film, there is little doubt that the reaction across the board is more mixed. I'm finding that DLibra is not the only one who needs two viewings to take to the movie. Next weekend will be very telling as to the long-term success of the movie.

keep dancing....

read the Bonita review here: http://debrief.comma...showtopic=51624

Just bcause it has opened big does not mean it will sustain ticket sales. It won't. It doesn't have the love that the last film has and so the box office will drop sharply. What I have suspected is happening. ie a huge opening and then a sharp tail off.

Even so, right now the total amount is 320-330m$. It will no way make less than CR. More than half of the way is been past.

[Bonita]

Hey Quantum,

Right now there is no sharp drop off happening. The film did a phenomenal opening weekend. If the estimated weekend take drops when the final numbers come out, well, then you can argue that Sunday was weak. If they tweak upwards (and the theater I saw it in on Sunday was pretty full), then it is beating the studio math (they have a formula for Sunday based on Friday and Saturday grosses).

But as of this writing, Box Office Mojo only has the projections.

And overseas, it seems to be holding on very strong! $20 mil in France. $49 mil in the UK in two weeks. These are good numbers.

Again, for the US, next weekend will be key to seeing if this is solid blockbuster status - $250 mil is the magic number studios lust after.

Keep dancing....

The Bonita review: http://debrief.comma...showtopic=51624

[DLibrasnow]

DLibra...if the title of this thread no longer represents your views, would you consider CHANGING the title of the thread, or deleting it all together?

I agree.

That's not a bad idea.

But impossible to do without the help of a mod.

[Santa]

Hey Quantum,

Right now there is no sharp drop off happening. The film did a phenomenal opening weekend. If the estimated weekend take drops when the final numbers come out, well, then you can argue that Sunday was weak. If they tweak upwards (and the theater I saw it in on Sunday was pretty full), then it is beating the studio math (they have a formula for Sunday based on Friday and Saturday grosses).

But as of this writing, Box Office Mojo only has the projections.

And overseas, it seems to be holding on very strong! $20 mil in France. $49 mil in the UK in two weeks. These are good numbers.

Again, for the US, next weekend will be key to seeing if this is solid blockbuster status - $250 mil is the magic number studios lust after.

Keep dancing....

The Bonita review: http://debrief.comma...showtopic=51624

And it hasn't even opened in all territories yet.

[Zorin Industries]

What I do not understand: Why don´t they stick with the movies they like instead of continuosly trying to make everyone believe that QOS is bad?

Because they don't have any life otherwise. Plus, they think if they can start early on the badmouthing, they can bring this one down. What they don't expect is that the public actually have the ability to form their own opinion and can decide on their own what they like or don't like.

It's part of the sad yearning of some Bond fans to think they actually make a difference to the films themselves...as if they could do better themselves if allowed.

What a bunch of saddos.

How did your pitch with Babs go, by the way?

As if I'd discuss that here, sir.

[Zorin Industries]

What I do not understand: Why don´t they stick with the movies they like instead of continuosly trying to make everyone believe that QOS is bad?

Because they don't have any life otherwise. Plus, they think if they can start early on the badmouthing, they can bring this one down. What they don't expect is that the public actually have the ability to form their own opinion and can decide on their own what they like or don't like.

It's part of the sad yearning of some Bond fans to think they actually make a difference to the films themselves...as if they could do better themselves if allowed.

Well, it's certainly no sadder than the yearning of some other Bond fans or self-proclaimed professionals to put down the dissenters...as if they have helped cause the same "glory" they praise. Many of us do have lives and don't need to sink a film in order to feel cool. We speak our minds as you do yours, freely and frankly.

And God bless the Interweb and all its highways for allowing us to be right and tell others that we are right too!

I am not praising QUANTUM OF SOLACE on CBN solely from the perspective of a Bond fan. I am praising it on CBN because it is a very energetic and successful piece of mainstream cinema that just happens to be a 007 movie. I have a loyalty but not a vested interest. And if I have mentioned any industry awareness that has offended you or anyone else, then that is not my problem.

[spynovelfan]

DLibra...if the title of this thread no longer represents your views, would you consider CHANGING the title of the thread, or deleting it all together?

I agree.

That's not a bad idea.

But impossible to do without the help of a mod.

I would suggest changing it to:

'DLibraSnow deserves his bad press - worst 007 review in history'

[stromberg]

I'm still waiting for Darren's re-review...

Comon, let's have it.

I plead the fifth and deny all knowledge of ever having sent the following message to select members of CBn:

"OK. So the movie does improve on a second viewing (or was it the fact that I had a cute blonde on my arm). Whatever, I am now in the unenviable position that zencat finds himself in whenever THAT thread rears its head.

As such I will deny ever admitting that - I liked it the second time around."

Never, under any circumatsnces, was the above message sent to Tarl, zencat, Stromberg, Bondian and other assorted members of CBn.

Duly noted.

DLibra...if the title of this thread no longer represents your views, would you consider CHANGING the title of the thread, or deleting it all together?

I agree.

That's not a bad idea.

But impossible to do without the help of a mod.

Oh, certainly each of us would be willing to help on that one.
You just have to ask.

[The Dove]

WOW!! Mr. Dlibrasnow, may I serve you your helping of humble pie with perhaps a side of crow?

I'm glad you decided to give the film another chance and that you are not admitting that you liked it!

[BoogieBond]

Glad you liked it better on second viewing DLibrasnow. I feel this is one film that just gets a bit better with a second viewing, loose ends are tied up a bit.
I agree with you that the acting is top notch.
And the thread title is very catchy
The edit to "Worst Bond Movie Ever, Hold on, wait a minute, saw it again, liked it" doesn't quite do it for me.

Edited by BoogieBond, 17 November 2008 - 07:29 PM.

[Nicolas Suszczyk]

You haven't offended anyone, Nic. Fandom is a messy world. We all have our loyalties and opinions, and sometimes it gets nasty. But my beef isn't with you - you're fabulous (and cute!)
Ciao, bello...

Thank for the compliement, darling
By the way, you can check my Quantum of Solace complete review here www.bondcollection.com.ar (Sorry for the spanish).

[Virgo Lupin]

Glad you liked it better on second viewing DLibrasnow. I feel this is one film that just gets a bit better with a second viewing, loose ends are tied up a bit.
I agree with you that the acting is top notch.
And the thread title is very catchy

Any film that doesn't work as a satisfying piece of entertainment or art on its first viewing by a paying audience doesn't work. End of story. Going back to view it a second time to see if it gets any better is rather like hitting your thumb with a hammer again to see if it causes the same pain after you've hit it the first time by accident. Stupid by any reckoning. Why so many Bond fans in this forum, and others, are so desperate to find some redeeming features in the unmitigated rubbish heap of a movie that is 'Quantum of Solace', is as stupid a pastime as it is fruitless.

[Major Tallon]

I'm glad you liked it on second viewing. This has proved to be a very polarizing movie for us fans, and kudos to you for giving it a second chance!

[Bonita]

Must note that in an earlier post, I pointed out there was no evidence of a sharp drop off in Box Office.

There is now.

Quantum dropped more than expected on Sunday, making the weekend projections off by about 3 million. This is not a good sign. Sunday was off 43% compared with 30% for Casino Royale and 29% for Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire (both opening same time of year).

The Sunday drop usually portends a drop the following weekend that is pretty steep.

I want the film to do well. I love it. But the numbers are what the numbers are. I hope it can still do blockbuster business, but this may not happen.

read the Bonita review: http://debrief.comma...showtopic=51624

keep dancing

[DLibrasnow]

Must note that in an earlier post, I pointed out there was no evidence of a sharp drop off in Box Office.

There is now.

Quantum dropped more than expected on Sunday, making the weekend projections off by about 3 million. This is not a good sign. Sunday was off 43% compared with 30% for Casino Royale and 29% for Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire (both opening same time of year).

The Sunday drop usually portends a drop the following weekend that is pretty steep.

I want the film to do well. I love it. But the numbers are what the numbers are. I hope it can still do blockbuster business, but this may not happen.

I noticed that the final weekend numbers were lower than had been expected, but $67 million is still a hunk of change. It was a sharp drop though from Friday and Saturday so we'll just have to wait and see how it does this coming weekend.

[Harmsway]

I noticed that the final weekend numbers were lower than had been expected, but $67 million is still a hunk of change. It was a sharp drop though from Friday and Saturday so we'll just have to wait and see how it does this coming weekend.

Yeah. And it's also possible that even if it does have a sharp drop initially, it'll still hold on due to lack of competition in its slot throughout the winter season.

[JimmyBond]

I know that I intend to see it again at least once. I just can't get this beautiful film out of my head, and once you had it once, you need it some more.

[dodge]

What I do not understand: Why don´t they stick with the movies they like instead of continuosly trying to make everyone believe that QOS is bad?

Because they don't have any life otherwise. Plus, they think if they can start early on the badmouthing, they can bring this one down. What they don't expect is that the public actually have the ability to form their own opinion and can decide on their own what they like or don't like.

It's part of the sad yearning of some Bond fans to think they actually make a difference to the films themselves...as if they could do better themselves if allowed.

Well, it's certainly no sadder than the yearning of some other Bond fans or self-proclaimed professionals to put down the dissenters...as if they have helped cause the same "glory" they praise. Many of us do have lives and don't need to sink a film in order to feel cool. We speak our minds as you do yours, freely and frankly.

And God bless the Interweb and all its highways for allowing us to be right and tell others that we are right too!

I am not praising QUANTUM OF SOLACE on CBN solely from the perspective of a Bond fan. I am praising it on CBN because it is a very energetic and successful piece of mainstream cinema that just happens to be a 007 movie. I have a loyalty but not a vested interest. And if I have mentioned any industry awareness that has offended you or anyone else, then that is not my problem.

Personally, I'm not offended in the least. I'm just not sure your interest ain't vested--at least sweater-vested. If you spoke a bit less from the Industry Insider vantage point, it would help to assuage my perception of you as the site's Robert Southey. That ultimate careerist.

[Sigma7]

Saw QOS for the first time tonight....... oh dear what went wrong with this movie???????
As a massive bond fan, all i can compare it to is the disappointment i felt after seeing DAD, strangely enough QOS makes DAD look like a better film.
QOS lacked style, and seemed very disjointed, and had action sequences for the sake of having action sequences ( ala DAD )
Craig was bond in CR, but in QOS he comes across as someone trying to impersonate bond
In all , quite disappointed, this did not have the feel and style of a bond movie at all, bring back Martin Campbell for Bond 23

[dodge]

I'm still waiting for Darren's re-review...

Comon, let's have it.

I plead the fifth and deny all knowledge of ever having sent the following message to select members of CBn:

"OK. So the movie does improve on a second viewing (or was it the fact that I had a cute blonde on my arm). Whatever, I am now in the unenviable position that zencat finds himself in whenever THAT thread rears its head.

As such I will deny ever admitting that - I liked it the second time around."

Never, under any circumatsnces, was the above message sent to Tarl, zencat, Stromberg, Bondian and other assorted members of CBn.

Darren, Darren, you poor dude. The babe was a plant from Zorin, Harmsway and ACE. If you need a shoulder to cry on, drop me a PM.