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[MarkA]

I hope others will give the film a second chance

But it still worries me it takes a second chance before many see a redeeming feature in it. The public won't give it one. "One go didn't like it, that's it". Will this impact onto the success of the next film?

[SecretAgentFan]

I hope others will give the film a second chance

But it still worries me it takes a second chance before many see a redeeming feature in it. The public won't give it one. "One go didn't like it, that's it". Will this impact onto the success of the next film?

Yeah, absolutely! It will be hard for Bond 23 to top the earth-shattering success of the most successful Bond film ever.

[quantumofsolace]

I hope others will give the film a second chance

But it still worries me it takes a second chance before many see a redeeming feature in it. The public won't give it one. "One go didn't like it, that's it". Will this impact onto the success of the next film?

It probably will, but if the next film gets more positive reviews then the damage will be minimal.
More worrying is the impact of the reviews and negative word of mouth on this film. It will hit hard in the coming weeks.

[Blofeld's Cat]

And I still don't get why Graham Rye not only goes into so much plot depth about a film he clearly did not like or indeed why he thinks piling on great heaps of synopsis is akin to film criticism or journalism.

Considering that his review for Casino Royale, which he liked, was shorter as well.

[SecretAgentFan]

I hope others will give the film a second chance

But it still worries me it takes a second chance before many see a redeeming feature in it. The public won't give it one. "One go didn't like it, that's it". Will this impact onto the success of the next film?

It probably will, but if the next film gets more positive reviews then the damage will be minimal.
More worrying is the impact of the reviews and negative word of mouth on this film. It will hit hard in the coming weeks.

I think you´re mistaken, Sir. QOS will be the most successful Bond film ever. Nobody cares about reviews for this film. Negative word of mouth will only exist in some tiny fan circles.

Also, the good thing about Bond is this: If one does not like the current one, in two/three years time there will be another one. And people will want to see the new Bond no matter what.

[Zorin Industries]

I hope others will give the film a second chance

But it still worries me it takes a second chance before many see a redeeming feature in it. The public won't give it one. "One go didn't like it, that's it". Will this impact onto the success of the next film?

It probably will, but if the next film gets more positive reviews then the damage will be minimal.
More worrying is the impact of the reviews and negative word of mouth on this film. It will hit hard in the coming weeks.

No it won't. Not at all.

People forget that Bond films are hardly the critics darling and rarely have been. It will affect nothing...

[quantumofsolace]

I hope others will give the film a second chance

But it still worries me it takes a second chance before many see a redeeming feature in it. The public won't give it one. "One go didn't like it, that's it". Will this impact onto the success of the next film?

It probably will, but if the next film gets more positive reviews then the damage will be minimal.
More worrying is the impact of the reviews and negative word of mouth on this film. It will hit hard in the coming weeks.

No it won't. Not at all.

People forget that Bond films are hardly the critics darling and rarely have been. It will affect nothing...

Entertainment Weekly say this

''And there is another potential problem: In crafting a sleeker, more Jason Bourne-esque thriller to appeal to today's crowds, director Marc Forster and the ever-powerful James Bond producing team may have alienated some of the fans who'd keep returning to buy tickets. The film has been hit by middling reviews from critics and it earned a poor B- grade from audiences in the CinemaScore poll. Too, its demographics are not ideal: Three-quarters of its viewers have been over the age of 25. All of which points to a potential steep drop in the weeks to come — especially opposite such formidable fare as Twilight and Bolt. In other words, from the perspective of the folks behind the film, it's probably a good thing that Quantum of Solace (which is reported to have cost well more than $200 mil...before its huge marketing expenditures) earned as much as it did this weekend.''

[Zorin Industries]

I hope others will give the film a second chance

But it still worries me it takes a second chance before many see a redeeming feature in it. The public won't give it one. "One go didn't like it, that's it". Will this impact onto the success of the next film?

It probably will, but if the next film gets more positive reviews then the damage will be minimal.
More worrying is the impact of the reviews and negative word of mouth on this film. It will hit hard in the coming weeks.

No it won't. Not at all.

People forget that Bond films are hardly the critics darling and rarely have been. It will affect nothing...

Entertainment Weekly say this

''And there is another potential problem: In crafting a sleeker, more Jason Bourne-esque thriller to appeal to today's crowds, director Marc Forster and the ever-powerful James Bond producing team may have alienated some of the fans who'd keep returning to buy tickets. The film has been hit by middling reviews from critics and it earned a poor B- grade from audiences in the CinemaScore poll. Too, its demographics are not ideal: Three-quarters of its viewers have been over the age of 25. All of which points to a potential steep drop in the weeks to come — especially opposite such formidable fare as Twilight and Bolt. In other words, from the perspective of the folks behind the film, it's probably a good thing that Quantum of Solace (which is reported to have cost well more than $200 mil...before its huge marketing expenditures) earned as much as it did this weekend.''

Sorry, who is CinemaScore? What bearing do they have on anything? And I say that from someone who is a film professional. "Middling reviews"....yes, some have but not ALL - far from it in fact.

[dinovelvet]

I hope others will give the film a second chance

But it still worries me it takes a second chance before many see a redeeming feature in it. The public won't give it one. "One go didn't like it, that's it". Will this impact onto the success of the next film?

It probably will, but if the next film gets more positive reviews then the damage will be minimal.
More worrying is the impact of the reviews and negative word of mouth on this film. It will hit hard in the coming weeks.

No it won't. Not at all.

People forget that Bond films are hardly the critics darling and rarely have been. It will affect nothing...

Entertainment Weekly say this

''And there is another potential problem: In crafting a sleeker, more Jason Bourne-esque thriller to appeal to today's crowds, director Marc Forster and the ever-powerful James Bond producing team may have alienated some of the fans who'd keep returning to buy tickets. The film has been hit by middling reviews from critics and it earned a poor B- grade from audiences in the CinemaScore poll. Too, its demographics are not ideal: Three-quarters of its viewers have been over the age of 25. All of which points to a potential steep drop in the weeks to come — especially opposite such formidable fare as Twilight and Bolt. In other words, from the perspective of the folks behind the film, it's probably a good thing that Quantum of Solace (which is reported to have cost well more than $200 mil...before its huge marketing expenditures) earned as much as it did this weekend.''

Yeah, never mind that $320 million in three weekends; I'm sure Sony only made the movie to get a high "Cinema Score" result, and now they're completely devastated.

Great job by certain Bond fans to try and shoot down the success of this movie as quickly as possible

[avl]

Sony and MGM are ecstatic, and so they should be!

[SecretAgentFan]

Yeah, never mind that $320 million in three weekends; I'm sure Sony only made the movie to get a high "Cinema Score" result, and now they're completely devastated.

Great job by certain Bond fans to try and shoot down the success of this movie as quickly as possible

These times must be really hard for the haters.

What I do not understand: Why don´t they stick with the movies they like instead of continuosly trying to make everyone believe that QOS is bad?

[Vicious]

What I do not understand: Why don´t they stick with the movies they like instead of continuosly trying to make everyone believe that QOS is bad?

Because they don't have any life otherwise. Plus, they think if they can start early on the badmouthing, they can bring this one down. What they don't expect is that the public actually have the ability to form their own opinion and can decide on their own what they like or don't like.

[Zorin Industries]

What I do not understand: Why don´t they stick with the movies they like instead of continuosly trying to make everyone believe that QOS is bad?

Because they don't have any life otherwise. Plus, they think if they can start early on the badmouthing, they can bring this one down. What they don't expect is that the public actually have the ability to form their own opinion and can decide on their own what they like or don't like.

It's part of the sad yearning of some Bond fans to think they actually make a difference to the films themselves...as if they could do better themselves if allowed.

[CM007]

Yeah, never mind that $320 million in three weekends; I'm sure Sony only made the movie to get a high "Cinema Score" result, and now they're completely devastated.

Great job by certain Bond fans to try and shoot down the success of this movie as quickly as possible

These times must be really hard for the haters.

What I do not understand: Why don´t they stick with the movies they like instead of continuosly trying to make everyone believe that QOS is bad?

Muppett

[manfromjapan]

DLibra...if the title of this thread no longer represents your views, would you consider CHANGING the title of the thread, or deleting it all together?

[SecretAgentFan]

Yeah, never mind that $320 million in three weekends; I'm sure Sony only made the movie to get a high "Cinema Score" result, and now they're completely devastated.

Great job by certain Bond fans to try and shoot down the success of this movie as quickly as possible

These times must be really hard for the haters.

What I do not understand: Why don´t they stick with the movies they like instead of continuosly trying to make everyone believe that QOS is bad?

Muppett

Muppet.

[bondrules]

I know this much.

The DVD is going to convert even more ppl. I'll wait.

[ImTheMoneypenny]

Marc Forster may be an arsty fartsy testosterone challenge euro wuss to some people but he's smart and he doesn't put any cringe inducing moments on the screen in QOS. The movie works. The much maligned car chase: I got the feeling Bond was actually in peril. Really. No super confident," I'll just hit this switch and be done with these tossers" kinda confidence. The chase was intense.I loved it.

I totally agree. Logically I know Bond'll make it some how but I actually worried about Bond a couple of times there which rarely happens for me. This movie works extremely well. I wouldn't change a frame of it.

Beginning last Friday I went everyday during the weekend. The crowds were bigger each day and livelier too!

[Loomis]

Marc Forster may be an arsty fartsy testosterone challenge euro wuss to some people but he's smart and he doesn't put any cringe inducing moments on the screen in QOS. The movie works. The much maligned car chase: I got the feeling Bond was actually in peril. Really. No super confident," I'll just hit this switch and be done with these tossers" kinda confidence. The chase was intense.I loved it.

Absolutely. I can't tell you how hard I think that PTS kicks . Best part of the movie, in fact (and, yes, I'm aware that that comes across as something of a backhanded compliment, but, well....).

[bondrules]

The PTS is one of the best car chases ever in cinema. Right from the getgo. The camera coming in from across the lake builds a lotta tension before you see any cars going at it.

It's just a masterpiece. And it's the best PTS of any Bond movie.

And don't get me started on the scenery. It's just absolutely gorgeous.

[sharpshooter]

No kidding. They got right into it, no mucking about.

And QoS is not the worst in the series. Far from it. It's one of the finest.

[Zorin Industries]

DLibra...if the title of this thread no longer represents your views, would you consider CHANGING the title of the thread, or deleting it all together?

I agree.

[bondrules]

DLibra...if the title of this thread no longer represents your views, would you consider CHANGING the title of the thread, or deleting it all together?

I agree.

That's not a bad idea.

[Royal Dalton]

What I do not understand: Why don´t they stick with the movies they like instead of continuosly trying to make everyone believe that QOS is bad?

Because they don't have any life otherwise. Plus, they think if they can start early on the badmouthing, they can bring this one down. What they don't expect is that the public actually have the ability to form their own opinion and can decide on their own what they like or don't like.

It's part of the sad yearning of some Bond fans to think they actually make a difference to the films themselves...as if they could do better themselves if allowed.

What a bunch of saddos.

How did your pitch with Babs go, by the way?

[R. Dittmar]

Entertainment Weekly say this

''… Too, its demographics are not ideal: Three-quarters of its viewers have been over the age of 25. All of which points to a potential steep drop in the weeks to come — especially opposite such formidable fare as Twilight and Bolt. …

I agree that the fall-off this weekend is going to be something to watch and will tell us a little bit about word-of-mouth. But why in the world would the potential Bond audience be enticed away from QOS by a dog cartoon (Bolt) or a teen vampire rom-com (Twilight)? I don’t know why EW believes that these films can possibly be thought of as going after the same demographic.

[rogermoore007]

Okay then explain how Bond knew that Camille was to be killed when Camille who was about 30-40 feet closer to Bond couldn´t figure it out and that´s even after she knew what was in the Case.

I love it when people try to explain the inexpicible

Oh. My. God. You are kidding, right?

I love it when people need an IQ transfusion to understand a film. Or a PowerPoint Presentation that explains every. single. plot. point. (to include how a SPY would recognize an ASSASSIN'S MATERIAL. Hmmmmmmm.....)

I almost cried laughing when I read this exchange, ending with this post. Bravo Kristian. I cannot stand people who either need every little detail explained to them or the people who just can't belief that something could have happened just because it's in a movie.

Oh, cease this snivelling. The review and this thread are deliberately given a provacative title. It's always the people who dish it out who can't take it; the worst sign of a craven bully.

Jim, absolutely needed to be said. Thanks.

And I still don't get why Graham Rye not only goes into so much plot depth about a film he clearly did not like or indeed why he thinks piling on great heaps of synopsis is akin to film criticism or journalism.

I was thinking the exact same thing as I attempted to read his review. He basically goes through merely describing every nuance of the plot and does so with a negative tone. Awful. Then again, I never really pay attention to Mr. Rye's opinions on Bond movies b/c they are basically the polar opposite of my own.

[ImTheMoneypenny]

I agree that the fall-off this weekend is going to be something to watch and will tell us a little bit about word-of-mouth. But why in the world would the potential Bond audience be enticed away from QOS by a dog cartoon (Bolt) or a teen vampire rom-com (Twilight)? I don’t know why EW believes that these films can possibly be thought of as going after the same demographic.

I was watching a chat show this morning. The hosts were doing a morning round up with some female guests talking about whatever is going on in entertainment. They asked "Bond or Twilight?" and one of the women said "Oh Bond, definitely!" which was echoed by most of the other ladies (only one said she preferred the younger lead actor in Twilight, but she could have been making a joke.).

Much to my surprise, my sister seems to think Bond will top Twilight, though I'm anxious about it. It's been hyped and women and teen girls will be flocking. My sister pointed out High School Musical didn't make as much as expected and it had been hyped pretty big time, it also dropped steeply. Twilight is more of a niche film than Bond, for giggly teen girls and moms. Bond is across the board. I saw elderly couples, middle aged couples, teen boys, young men in groups, families with teens, and even gals like me at every showing I went to Fri-Sun. And my sister says young and older men and teen boys will go see Bond and they have more disposable income for movies.

But I intent to do my part and go see it again, with my sister, at least once. However, we'll both go twice next weekend if I can hustle up the money.

[dodge]

What I do not understand: Why don´t they stick with the movies they like instead of continuosly trying to make everyone believe that QOS is bad?

Because they don't have any life otherwise. Plus, they think if they can start early on the badmouthing, they can bring this one down. What they don't expect is that the public actually have the ability to form their own opinion and can decide on their own what they like or don't like.

It's part of the sad yearning of some Bond fans to think they actually make a difference to the films themselves...as if they could do better themselves if allowed.

Well, it's certainly no sadder than the yearning of some other Bond fans or self-proclaimed professionals to put down the dissenters...as if they have helped cause the same "glory" they praise. Many of us do have lives and don't need to sink a film in order to feel cool. We speak our minds as you do yours, freely and frankly.

[Loomis]

Exactly, dodge.

[Bonita]

"Cinemas Score" is a company that measures audience reaction to a film and demographics, invariably on opening weekend. They used to use little cards passed out at the beginning of showings in certain cinemas, but I don't know what they use now.

Lower Cinema Score ratings often portend faster declines in box office.

Opening weekends for "sequels" are often defined by audience reaction to the previous film, and strongly linked to DVD / Blu-ray sales of that title (see Austin Powers and Batman Begins).

Casino Royale did not make "blockbuster status" in the US, but it was a film that was well-loved by a wide swath of viewers. They are coming in droves to see QoS. While I loved the film, there is little doubt that the reaction across the board is more mixed. I'm finding that DLibra is not the only one who needs two viewings to take to the movie. Next weekend will be very telling as to the long-term success of the movie.

keep dancing....

read the Bonita review here: http://debrief.comma...showtopic=51624