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[DLibrasnow]

The gunbarrel is also a mistake and the couple next to me were laughing at Craigs Monty Python-esque walk. Me, I was stunned into silence by just how bad the movie was I had just seen unfold before me.

I too am stunned into silence if you or indeed anyone else think the gunbarrel had anything remotely resembling Monty Python in it. But then I should never argue about the Pythons work with an American (!). I say that with love. I think you need a bit more of it young sir.

British born and bred actually.

[Zorin Industries]

The gunbarrel is also a mistake and the couple next to me were laughing at Craigs Monty Python-esque walk. Me, I was stunned into silence by just how bad the movie was I had just seen unfold before me.

I too am stunned into silence if you or indeed anyone else think the gunbarrel had anything remotely resembling Monty Python in it. But then I should never argue about the Pythons work with an American (!). I say that with love. I think you need a bit more of it young sir.

British born and bred actually.

I wasn't referring to you. Just that supposed couple next to you. But why does it matter. You didn't like the film. That's your choice, of course it is. But it's not very civil to demand others avoid and a franchise you have got great pleasure from.

[bondrules]

Eon have two choices: to regroup and come up with a really good film next time and deliver on the CR promise or else lose their core fan base for quick Bourne converts who will turn their backs on Bond just as fast.

First, QoS is a really good film, it all depends on how you look at it. And financially it will be the second grossing Bond film ever after CR, if not surpass it.

Second, being a Bond fan goes beyond watching/liking the movies themselves. Even if they were so horrible to watch, I would still prefer Bond over Bourne. What is the cultural legacy of Bourne?

[Safari Suit]

Do people really "choose" to like a film? I certainly didn't "choose" to like QOS, and I very, very much doubt 99% of the people who paid good money to see it chose to dislike it.

[Loomis]

Nice one, Darren. Keep calling it as you see it.

[Donovan Mayne-Nicholls]

Eon have two choices: to regroup and come up with a really good film next time and deliver on the CR promise or else lose their core fan base for quick Bourne converts who will turn their backs on Bond just as fast.

First, QoS is a really good film, it all depends on how you look at it. And financially it will be the second grossing Bond film ever after CR, if not surpass it.

Second, being a Bond fan goes beyond watching/liking the movies themselves. Even if they were so horrible to watch, I would still prefer Bond over Bourne. What is the cultural legacy of Bourne?

Highest grossing Bond is still Thunderball. QOS will most likely end up fifth.

[Mr_Wint]

Nice review. Myself, I place QOS in the bottom 3 togheter with LTK and DAD. It is really sad that we will forever associate Flemings wonderful title with this turkey.

[Harmsway]

I can only speculate that I saw an entirely different film than the one you chaps are talking about. Worst Bond in history? I can't even remotely see it... the performances and visual style alone elevate it above half of the Bond canon.

[bondrules]

http://www.the-numbe...s/JamesBond.php

[doublenoughtspy]

I hate to break the news to you all, but people are allowed to not like the film.

Darren didn't like the film and he posted his review. He didn't go in to a positive QOS thread and say "You really should watch it again. Give it time - you'll find that it sucks."

Yet people are doing the opposite to him and putting him down because he likes NSNA.

Debate is healthy and I know we don't want to have the "I hate QOS" part of the forums totally separate from the "I love QOS" part of forums.

But I've heard from a few long standing CBn members who aren't happy with the way opinions aren't respected.

I really didn't like the film either, but when discussing it I did start with the parts I did like, and I reiterate - if you loved the film, I'm honestly happy for you.

Please don't act like people are retarded for not liking it - because plenty of us think it was abysmal.

[MarkA]

I really didn't like the film either, but when discussing it I did start with the parts I did like, and I reiterate - if you loved the film, I'm honestly happy for you.

Please don't act like people are retarded for not liking it - because plenty of us think it was abysmal.

I am with you all the way on the above. I don't by any means think it the worst Bond ever and I think there is a lot of truth in the opening half hour (which I think is dreadful) coloring people's opinion of the rest of the film. But I also think the overreaction is due to so many people loving CR. Eon really let us down this time. Or an awful lot of us anyway.

[Royal Dalton]

But I've heard from a few long standing CBn members who aren't happy with the way opinions aren't respected.

Yes, it's a shame. Live and let live, folks.

[__7]

Wow, what film did you see?

My thoughts exactly. When I saw the movie at midnight this morning, I sat next to an old, very drunk guy who passed out half way through the movie. From such a person I would expect a review like this, but not from a Bond fan (especially one who liked CR, and the new direction). This is not so much a slam against you Dlibrasnow(this whole thing is subjective), as it is an affirmation of my own judgement of the film - while being very different from CR, it was every bit as good as CR. My wife, for example, is not a Bond fan in general and is one of the harshest movie critics I know of - she loved CR and said that QoS was every bit as good. Take this for whatever its worth.

Edited by __7, 14 November 2008 - 08:27 PM.

[doubler83]

Please don't act like people are retarded for not liking it - because plenty of us think it was abysmal.

Well said!

[Donovan Mayne-Nicholls]

I hate to break the news to you all, but people are allowed to not like the film.

Darren didn't like the film and he posted his review. He didn't go in to a positive QOS thread and say "You really should watch it again. Give it time - you'll find that it sucks."

Yet people are doing the opposite to him and putting him down because he likes NSNA.

Debate is healthy and I know we don't want to have the "I hate QOS" part of the forums totally separate from the "I love QOS" part of forums.

But I've heard from a few long standing CBn members who aren't happy with the way opinions aren't respected.

I really didn't like the film either, but when discussing it I did start with the parts I did like, and I reiterate - if you loved the film, I'm honestly happy for you.

Please don't act like people are retarded for not liking it - because plenty of us think it was abysmal.

I have mixed feelings about the film and I reviewed accordingly. From the response I got, you'd believe I trashed the film. Those who "loved it" (not necessarily those who liked it) are taking an "I'm not listening" attitude because they convinced themselves of how good the film was before even seeing it (hype) and can't cope actually having to discuss the film's flaws because they have no arguments. They just keep repeating the "stylish film" mantra as if it said it all (not to mention those predictable awesomes who make you feel you're having a discussion with the guy who did the surf stunts in DAD). Wait a minute, wasn't CR stylish? Indeed it was, but nobody at Sony thought of using the adjective to sell the movie (because they didn't need to as it was an outstanding film).

[MattofSteel]

The polarization is still baffling me. This is certainly a first for the franchise. As I said in my own review thread, I would never begrudge anyone their own opinions - I'm sorry that some found the film to be rubbish. Personally, I simply cannot see how they consider it a bad film - the same way I'm sure they can't figure out how I could possibly call it good. Should provide lots of healthy debate for a couple years once the hype has died down.

It's just strange how the two camps have developed - essentially, worst Bond film ever and "above average" Bond film.

[DR76]

Interesting theory but I think in the years to come (once the new-ness of Quantum of Solace has worn off) that more and more CBNers will come to realize just how terrible Quantum of Solace is.

I think that you're projecting your own feelings about the movie upon everyone else. What makes you think you know how I'm going to feel about the movie years from now? Because you didn't like it?

The polarization is still baffling me. This is certainly a first for the franchise.

I believe this happens with a lot of movies . . . including those from the Bond franchise.

Edited by DR76, 14 November 2008 - 08:40 PM.

[danslittlefinger]

Please don't act like people are retarded for not liking it - because plenty of us think it was abysmal.

Well said!

Ditto..abysmal, rushed and slapdash.

[Daddy Bond]

The polarization is still baffling me. This is certainly a first for the franchise. As I said in my own review thread, I would never begrudge anyone their own opinions - I'm sorry that some found the film to be rubbish. Personally, I simply cannot see how they consider it a bad film - the same way I'm sure they can't figure out how I could possibly call it good. Should provide lots of healthy debate for a couple years once the hype has died down.

It's just strange how the two camps have developed - essentially, worst Bond film ever and "above average" Bond film.

Only four more hours and I'll know where I stand on the film.

[bondrules]

My wife hated QoS, and I don't love her any less b/c of it.

She also thought Casino Royale was a pretty good movie.

She had a lot of valid points. It's Ok to hate it or like it. Either way.

Edited by bondrules, 14 November 2008 - 08:54 PM.

[Joe Bond]

I hate to break the news to you all, but people are allowed to not like the film.

Darren didn't like the film and he posted his review. He didn't go in to a positive QOS thread and say "You really should watch it again. Give it time - you'll find that it sucks."

Yet people are doing the opposite to him and putting him down because he likes NSNA.

Debate is healthy and I know we don't want to have the "I hate QOS" part of the forums totally separate from the "I love QOS" part of forums.

But I've heard from a few long standing CBn members who aren't happy with the way opinions aren't respected.

I really didn't like the film either, but when discussing it I did start with the parts I did like, and I reiterate - if you loved the film, I'm honestly happy for you.

Please don't act like people are retarded for not liking it - because plenty of us think it was abysmal.

I have mixed feelings about the film and I reviewed accordingly. From the response I got, you'd believe I trashed the film. Those who "loved it" (not necessarily those who liked it) are taking an "I'm not listening" attitude because they convinced themselves of how good the film was before even seeing it (hype) and can't cope actually having to discuss the film's flaws because they have no arguments. They just keep repeating the "stylish film" mantra as if it said it all (not to mention those predictable awesomes who make you feel you're having a discussion with the guy who did the surf stunts in DAD). Wait a minute, wasn't CR stylish? Indeed it was, but nobody at Sony thought of using the adjective to sell the movie (because they didn't need to as it was an outstanding film).

I respect your opinion but I loved the film and I had big expectations before I saw the film until the reviews came in and reduced my expectations accordingly but I will not argue with you when it comes to flaws since there are some its just I did not really notice them and they were minor enough to me to not effect the end result however these flaws may be more noticeable to other people like yourself which shows how people have varying opinions when it comes to movies but there is no correct opinion about a movie, if you like you like it for your own reasons and if you dislike it you do it for your own reasons so saying people who love it are wrong for loving it its just not fair.

[Safari Suit]

The polarization is still baffling me. This is certainly a first for the franchise.

To be honest, I think all bar about four have been largely polarising beyond the first three films (among the fanbase anyway).

[Loomis]

I hate to break the news to you all, but people are allowed to not like the film.

Darren didn't like the film and he posted his review. He didn't go in to a positive QOS thread and say "You really should watch it again. Give it time - you'll find that it sucks."

Yet people are doing the opposite to him and putting him down because he likes NSNA.

Debate is healthy and I know we don't want to have the "I hate QOS" part of the forums totally separate from the "I love QOS" part of forums.

But I've heard from a few long standing CBn members who aren't happy with the way opinions aren't respected.

I really didn't like the film either, but when discussing it I did start with the parts I did like, and I reiterate - if you loved the film, I'm honestly happy for you.

Please don't act like people are retarded for not liking it - because plenty of us think it was abysmal.

Totally agreed with all that. Well said.

[bonds_walther]

I actually think that this kind of debate about QoS is rather healthy. It shows exactly what kind of Bond film has been made - one that you either like or hate. There doesn't seem to be any middle ground here.

[YOLT]

I think the nay sayers are all in the shock of the first 30 to 45 mins.

Interesting theory but I think in the years to come (once the new-ness of Quantum of Solace has worn off) that more and more CBNers will come to realize just how terrible Quantum of Solace is.

Its not just a theory its the truth. While DAD lost points in the last 30 mins, QOS losses points in the begining. I was really shocked especially in the Haiti scenes. It really disturbed me. The Austria scenes were so so.

Also its really unusual for a Bond film to be dissapointing at the begining and great at the end. From TB to DAD many Bond films' last 30 or mins really losses points for me. However in QOS we bagan with -10 and went up after Austria

[Bradley De La Cloche]

Sorry, but you've lost me with this one, DLibrasnow. How can you seriously think that this film is worse than Die Another Day, the one where BOND DRIVES AN INVISIBLE CAR, TEAMS UP WITH HALLE BERRY AND SHAGS MONEYPENNY, WHILE SPOUTING UNBELIEVABLY STUPID PUNS THAT MAKE ROGER MOORE'S LINES SOUND LIKE BLOODY SHAKESPEARE???

Edited by Bradley De La Cloche, 14 November 2008 - 10:19 PM.

[The Dove]

The movie is misunderstood by most people, I think QOS will stand the test of time very well and someday will be viewed as one of the best Bond films.

Exactly.. thats my hope anyways.. To paraphrase Bond in Diamonds Are Forever, "Ask me again in ten years time!" LOL What say we get Bond 26 or Bond 27 that turns out to be even more erm..."controversial" than Quantum of Solace.. People might then look back at Quantum of Solace with more favorable views!

[JeffWest]

I agree in so far as the first half hour was severely underwhelming in my eyes.
But the rest made more than up for it.

I agree. I was beginning to think "Oh lord, this is going to be another 'World Is Not Enough.'" But then he knocked that guy off the motorbike. That turned it around for me.

[CM007]

The movie is misunderstood by most people, I think QOS will stand the test of time very well and someday will be viewed as one of the best Bond films.

Yeah that´s right I didn´t like the film because I misunderstood it,what a crock of you know what.Okay can you explain to me how Bond knew that Camille was to be killed.If I remember correctly he had his sat on a motorbike the whole time,Has he suddenly developed Superman´s hearing.At first I thought he planted a listening device and then realised on second viewing that he didn´t so please explain me that,man I´d better stop or I´ll drive myself insane thinking about this totally retarted movie

[Loomis]

Sorry, but you've lost me with this one, DLibrasnow. How can you seriously think that this film is worse than Die Another Day, the one where BOND DRIVES AN INVISIBLE CAR, TEAMS UP WITH HALLE BERRY AND SHAGS MONEYPENNY, WHILE SPOUTING UNBELIEVABLY STUPID PUNS THAT MAKE ROGER MOORE'S LINES SOUND LIKE BLOODY SHAKESPEARE???

Well, I really enjoyed QUANTUM OF SOLACE. I don't find it flawless by any stretch (unlike CASINO ROYALE), but then again I did have a bloody good time at the cinema, which is really all that matters.

However....

I think I like DIE ANOTHER DAY even more.