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[Ultraussie (Jordan.adams)]

He should've gone 'til '81!

Little too extreme. How old is he now?
Anyway, I always felt he shouldve carried on to his Mid 40's.

That would be 1984 or 85.

Exactly. Roger Moore sets a good example.

[Se7en]

The amazing thing is, he could have done 11 Bond films, finishing off with LTK (a good film for a Bond actor to finish on) at the age of about 47. That's what I would have gone with.

I think that 11 Bond films would be pretty absurd. I think maybe 4-5 would be better.

[Mister E]

He should've gone 'til '81!

Little too extreme. How old is he now?
Anyway, I always felt he shouldve carried on to his Mid 40's.

That would be 1984 or 85.

Exactly. Roger Moore sets a good example.

No he didn't. He was 58 years old when hung up his tux, that is far too old to be playing James Bond. Though Lazenby was only 30 and he would only been 45 if he played the role for 15 years, that is too long.

[Ultraussie (Jordan.adams)]

He should've gone 'til '81!

Little too extreme. How old is he now?
Anyway, I always felt he shouldve carried on to his Mid 40's.

That would be 1984 or 85.

Exactly. Roger Moore sets a good example.

No he didn't. He was 58 years old when hung up his tux, that is far too old to be playing James Bond. Though Lazenby was only 30 and he would only been 45 if he played the role for 15 years, that is too long.

12 years and 15 years, a mere 900 odd days difference. Lazenby was a fine Bond. And An Aussie!.
But seriously, if Lazenby played on to the 1980's, when he retired, we wouldve had Tim Dalton step in, and his a _{very fine James Bond} as well.


Back on topic?

[Mister E]

He should've gone 'til '81!

Little too extreme. How old is he now?
Anyway, I always felt he shouldve carried on to his Mid 40's.

That would be 1984 or 85.

Exactly. Roger Moore sets a good example.

No he didn't. He was 58 years old when hung up his tux, that is far too old to be playing James Bond. Though Lazenby was only 30 and he would only been 45 if he played the role for 15 years, that is too long.

12 years and 15 years, a mere 900 odd days difference. Lazenby was a fine Bond. And An Aussie!.
But seriously, if Lazenby played on to the 1980's, when he retired, we wouldve had Tim Dalton step in, and his a _{very fine James Bond} as well.


Back on topic?

You are missing my point. Roger stayed too long and his age didn't help and Lazenby staying for 15 years is too long. A Bond should only be in the role for 4 or 5 years, after that give it a rest. You obviously just wanted Laz for so long because he's an Aussie. How very nignorant of you.

[Ultraussie (Jordan.adams)]

He should've gone 'til '81!

Little too extreme. How old is he now?
Anyway, I always felt he shouldve carried on to his Mid 40's.

That would be 1984 or 85.

Exactly. Roger Moore sets a good example.

No he didn't. He was 58 years old when hung up his tux, that is far too old to be playing James Bond. Though Lazenby was only 30 and he would only been 45 if he played the role for 15 years, that is too long.

12 years and 15 years, a mere 900 odd days difference. Lazenby was a fine Bond. And An Aussie!.
But seriously, if Lazenby played on to the 1980's, when he retired, we wouldve had Tim Dalton step in, and his a _{very fine James Bond} as well.


Back on topic?

You are missing my point. Roger stayed too long and his age didn't help and Lazenby staying for 15 years is too long. A Bond should only be in the role for 4 or 5 years, after that give it a rest. You obviously just wanted Laz for so long because he's an Aussie. How very nignorant of you.

No. Youve missed my point as well. I understand the thing about age DEFFIANTLY, but Lazenby was only 29 years old: He has heaps of milelage left. Actors on average play Bond for about 9 or 10 years on average, and Moore did 12. Anyway, this conversation is dispupting other people who want to use the thread properly. Please dont reply to this post.



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[Mister E]

No. Youve missed my point as well. I understand the thing about age DEFFIANTLY, but Lazenby was only 29 years old: He has heaps of milelage left

You are just looking at age. Every Bond will testify that it is exhuasting doing those films every two years. Making even a thirty year old hold the role for 15 years is nonsense.

Actors on average play Bond for about 9 or 10 years on average, and Moore did 12.

How do figure an average of nine to ten when only two have ever come close or broke that range ? I suggest you learn how to do math my friend. And again, Moore was far too damn old to play Bond by AVTAK.

Anyway, this conversation is dispupting other people who want to use the thread properly. Please dont reply to this post.

I reply to any post I want.

[Ultraussie (Jordan.adams)]

How do figure an average of nine to ten when only two have ever come close or broke that range ? I suggest you learn how to do Math my friend. And again, Moore was far too damn old to play Bond by AVTAK.

Sean Connery - 1962 to 1972 (December 1971, but who cares?)
Roger Moore - 1973 to 1987
Tim Dalton 1987 to 1989
Peirce Brosnan - 1995 to 2004 (EON Game, 2002 for DAD)
Daneil Craig 2006 to 2008
Sam Worthington - 2008 to 9999999999999999999999999937382726363276326 AD.

I reply to any post I want.

You remind me of me a few months ago.

[Mister E]

Sean Connery - 1962 to 1972 (December 1971, but who cares?)
Roger Moore - 1973 to 1987
Tim Dalton 1987 to 1989
Peirce Brosnan - 1995 to 2004 (EON Game, 2002 for DAD)
Daneil Craig 2006 to 2008
Sam Worthington - 2008 to 9999999999999999999999999937382726363276326 AD.

The only one you got right is Timothy Dalton. Chirst, I am not even going to bother to correct the rest of this. Also did you not just say that Moore was in the role for 12 years ? You blundering bonehead.

You remind me of me a few months ago.

You were mature and 10 years older ?

[NecroVMX]

I think the biggest problem with laz is he was a neophyte who got stuck in one of the best films and had to follow Connery.

I really think that given chance to really grow into the role, he would have been the best.

[Ultraussie (Jordan.adams)]

Sean Connery - 1962 to 1972 (December 1971, but who cares?)
Roger Moore - 1973 to 1987
Tim Dalton 1987 to 1989
Peirce Brosnan - 1995 to 2004 (EON Game, 2002 for DAD)
Daneil Craig 2006 to 2008
Sam Worthington - 2008 to 9999999999999999999999999937382726363276326 AD.

The only one you got right is Timothy Dalton. Chirst, I am not even going to bother to correct the rest of this. Also did you not just say that Moore was in the role for 12 years ? You blundering bonehead.

Dude, it said It in wikipedia..

You remind me of me a few months ago.

You were mature and 10 years older ?

No, im 11 years old.

[Mister E]

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[HildebrandRarity]

Laz was as Bond. Worst Bond ever. Couldn't ing act.

Thank goodness he only did one. In fact one was too many.

[Mister E]

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I deleted my reply because it's futile talking to you.

[Fiona Volpe lover]

I think the problem with Lazenby is that the film he was given to do probably required the most acting out of the lot, at least out of the 60s films. Lazenby's presence makes the film special in a way, and I'm not sure I'd want it any other way now, but there's no doubt in my mind that from a technical point of view it would have been better with Connery in it. John Barry scored the film with Connery in mind and turned out the best soundtrack of the series in my opinion.

Maybe they should have got Connery to do OHMSS and then had Lazenby come on for DAF? That film was alot lighter and had alot less dialogue scenes. However, I can't imagine Lazenby delivering the many funny lines in the film [shoot me, I really like DAF!] with the skill that Connery, even on an off day, could deliver. And I love Moore and wouldn't want LALD, MR etc. to not exist the way they do [well, except maybe AVTAK!]

I do think Lazenby could have continued for a few more though. This was probably not the case, but it almost seems like much of OHMSS was shot in sequence, because Lazenby seems to improve throughout the film. Compare for instance the stiffness of Bond's lenghty dialogue sequence with Draco in Draco's office with the tenderness and vulnerability of Bond's propoal to Tracy in the barn. During the final third he really is pretty good. Maybe in the follow-ups they could have almost gone the Dalton/Craig route since Lazenby was in my view very poor at delivering the humorous lines [e.g. "he had lots of guts"] but did look great and really convincing in the action scenes as well as showing a vulnerability, more in fact than Dalton ever did [although that could have been due to his acting inexperience].

[Mr Twilight]

I wouldn't mind if he just did one more - Diamonds are forever - as decent and worthy sequel to OHMSS. I would have liked him in more films, but if he just have made this one, at least I would have been happy.

[Col. Sun]

I think the only times Connery showed anger was during the Bond/Grant train fight in From Russia With Love. All of his other Bond movies he appeared emotionally shut off and more of a superman than a human.

You are missing DR.NO and THUNDERBALL. You also seem to forget the anger Connery showed in FRWL when he found out Kerim was dead and he was angry enough to slap Tatiana. In THUNDERBALL, one the most romantic scenes in Bond history was the beach scene with Domino. Notice how Bond put on his sunglasses, he couldn't bare the hurt on Domino's face.

Yep, and Bond's hand trembles as he withdraws it from Domino after giving her the name tag.

Connery did hint at Bond's emotions, but his Bond hid/buried his feelings -- the TB beach scene is a good example. Bond squeezing Kerim's dead shoulder, jaw twitching, and later on, very subdued, he respectively gives the cigarette holder to Kerim's son on the platform. Also in YOLT, Connery retreats and turns his back on Tiger after finding Kissy dead. He's clearly upset by her death, but buries it with his over-ridding desire to get the mission done.

Connery deliberately underplayed the emotions, but his Bond had chinks in his armour.

It would have been very interesting to see how Connery would have played Bond in OHMSS.

BTW, I liked Lazenby. I think he did very well and I wish he'd made at least 2 more films.

[BoogieBond]

I do think Lazenby could have continued for a few more though. This was probably not the case, but it almost seems like much of OHMSS was shot in sequence, because Lazenby seems to improve throughout the film. Compare for instance the stiffness of Bond's lenghty dialogue sequence with Draco in Draco's office with the tenderness and vulnerability of Bond's propoal to Tracy in the barn. During the final third he really is pretty good. Maybe in the follow-ups they could have almost gone the Dalton/Craig route since Lazenby was in my view very poor at delivering the humorous lines [e.g. "he had lots of guts"] but did look great and really convincing in the action scenes as well as showing a vulnerability, more in fact than Dalton ever did [although that could have been due to his acting inexperience].

I strongly agree with you here. The Lazenby performance in the PTS(The Bond, James Bond delivery on the beach for me just is bad delivery IMO), meeting with Tracy at the Casino(Please stay alive, at least for tonight ) meeting with Draco's goons and meeting with Draco I feel some of his acting is stiff and his delivery is pretty bad IMO, but the ending parts(Proposal and marriage to Tracy) he starts to convince. In between, sort of patchy, some good moments(I've never been in one of these things before to Irma Bunt), some not so good. Him acting as "Hilly"(Dubbed by George Baker) sometimes there are good moments and bad ones. It goes without saying in all the action scenes he is superb, very athletic, tough and Physical, second only to Craig on that front.

But I love the film, so I accept him as Bond all the way through, and like you wouldn't have it any other way. He's an acceptable and serviceable Bond throughout.

I think Lazenby stated that Peter Hunt protected him(with the camera and the way he directed it), as a rookie actor with no experience, and Laz said "There are times I don't want that camera around". And you gotta say Peter Hunt did a brilliant job at that.

Again I am with him following up OHMSS with DAF, for continuity's sake.

Edited by BoogieBond, 26 November 2008 - 05:24 PM.

[HildebrandRarity]

Lazenby was a horrible actor and came cheap. He was a Connery quazi-clone in terms of looks. When OHMSS was released, people wondered where was James Bond.

Diamonds Are Forever has no mention of anything that happened in OHMSS.

In fact, during Majesty's post-production, the blood washes out Lazenby completely as it pours over the gunbarrel. It is the first and only time this happens in a James Bond gunbarrel. Check it and then the 21 others. You'll see what i'm talking about.

[Lazenby]

Sorry if this has been done before but let's say Laz didn't quit after OHMSS. How long should he have been in the tux ? I think due to his age, he could have gone 10 more years easily.

I would have loved if he were in DAF because I felt that through attrition and maturation, that he would have settled in to the role. Lets face it, Connery and Moore would have had a tough time with OHMSS. I feel that what is overlooked here is the job that Peter Hunt did with not only the film, but with Lazenby. I would have backed up the money truck for Hunt's return and let him pick Lazenby's successor for DAF. If Laz did not return, I would have had either Oliver Reed or Christopher Plummer take over.

[Daddy Bond]

I would have liked Laz in DAF (with a better script), then moved on to Moore in LALD.

[doublenoughtspy]

In fact, during Majesty's post-production, the blood washes out Lazenby completely as it pours over the gunbarrel. It is the first and only time this happens in a James Bond gunbarrel. Check it and then the 21 others. You'll see what i'm talking about.

I'm not sure why that matters. For Dr No through Goldfinger - it wasn't even Connery in the gun barrel. Were they making some sort of statement by doing that too?

[Mr_Wint]

Hypothetically, I would have loved to see either Connery or Moore in OHMSS. Given exact the same script and direction, I strongly believe that both could've pulled it off in a much better way than Lazenby did...

But this is, of course, pointless speculation. Roger Moore's image as a debonair hero figure was well established around that time. And Connery was the cool invulnerable agent who was equipped with sunglasses whenever there was an emotional scene. OHMSS wouldn't be the same film without Lazenby. He gave the filmteam some freedom which was very much needed when taking on Fleming's best novel.

Also, my guess is that OHMSS would not be as appreciated today, if Lazenby had continued in the role for another 6 films. His one-shot portrayal (and the history behind that) is part of the fun and contributes to the films unique feel.

[HildebrandRarity]

In fact, during Majesty's post-production, the blood washes out Lazenby completely as it pours over the gunbarrel. It is the first and only time this happens in a James Bond gunbarrel. Check it and then the 21 others. You'll see what i'm talking about.

I'm not sure why that matters. For Dr No through Goldfinger - it wasn't even Connery in the gun barrel. Were they making some sort of statement by doing that too?

Of course there was no statement. Simmons did the gunbarrel for Dr No and when they changed the aspect ratio in Thunderball, they had to re-film the gunbarrel walk. So, since Bond/Connery was such an icon by then, they had Connery do the walk. Those are facts.

They only made the statement in OHMSS to symbolically wipe away any possible memory of Lazenby. It happened in post production by which time the Aussie was no longer in the role. The fact that nothing from OHMSS is mentioned in DAF confirms they were making a statement about him.

For people to say, "I would have liked it if he were in DAF" is like me saying "I would have liked to have sold all my stocks last year and shorted equity index futures so as to make a killing". It didnt happen and that's life.

[Quantumofsolace007]

Two would of been perfect honeslty. You only live tiwce while over the top was a great end to the connery era . Lzaby in OHmss and Diamonds are forever. (though chances are had lazeby stayed the Spang's would of been included into the film)

and then in 83 instead of connery in Never say never agaion Lazenby could of been in it.

Moore leaving the role in 81 Dalton coming in at 83 with Octopussy with an EXTREMLY different and better A view to a kill.


would of been great

C'est la vie.

[dogmanstar]

EON should have, at minimum, followed up OHMSS with a true sequel. True, they were backed into a corner because they had already made YOLT. But it would have been nice to have Laz finish what he started in OHMSS and really give it to Blofeld, a la Fleming's YOLT. Would have been a nice finish.

[HildebrandRarity]

EON should have, at minimum, followed up OHMSS with a true sequel. True, they were backed into a corner because they had already made YOLT. But it would have been nice to have Laz finish what he started in OHMSS and really give it to Blofeld, a la Fleming's YOLT. Would have been a nice finish.

You don't get it. Lazenby was history after OHMSS was in the can. Period. Eon wiped away any hint of him there after. They had to release the movie of course, but after it was said and done the Aussie was persona non grata. End of story.

[Royal Dalton]

Hardly. They offered him Diamonds Are Forever afterwards.

I reckon he could have made at least ten films in total if he'd stuck with it.

[sharpshooter]

I reckon he could have made at least ten films in total if he'd stuck with it.

Yeah. How different the Bond universe could have been.