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[Seannery]

Actually it kind of is, if you read Fleming's books Bond talks of his first expensive tailor, suggesting usually he has used a cheaper tailor. He dresses in rather average clothes for the time just with the touch of tailored class and particular individual preference. He doesn't wear really expensive gear all the time and he wears a tux sometimes because back then you HAD to wear one to get into a few places Bond went.

Often in the books he wears trousers, shirt and loafers (he hates shoe laces). He is often very casual, and in the 50's 60's that was the equivalent today of chinos, loafers and a casual shirt or something. Not at all fancy or really expensive. Back then suits were what everyone wore as everyday attire.

Okay correction That's not the cinematic Bond who clearly loves fancy thing and is an expert on much of it.

[Harmsway]

That's the kind of style I'm going for - that sort of George Clooney in OCEAN'S TWELVE ultra-cool, contemporary style vibe. A sort of carefree cool look. Great stuff.

That's exactly what I had in mind. There's something about Craig that reminds me of Kevin Costner in the Bodyguard. He strikes me as a low maintenance man who doesn't have time for fancy suits, yet whom at the same time doesn't want to look like a bum. He would be the kind of guy who hates fancy things but whom at the same time knows that he had better look at least half presentable because the boss demands it. So he does what he has to do to get by. He would be the sort of man who would scoff at the kind of guy who takes his fashion sense from GQ.

Well, I still think Craig's Bond should have a taste for the finer things in life. I think he'd like having a really nice suit just because of its quality. Nothing overly elegant, but really cool and with a somewhat carefree vibe.

[Seannery]

That's the kind of style I'm going for - that sort of George Clooney in OCEAN'S TWELVE ultra-cool, contemporary style vibe. A sort of carefree cool look. Great stuff.

That's exactly what I had in mind. There's something about Craig that reminds me of Kevin Costner in the Bodyguard. He strikes me as a low maintenance man who doesn't have time for fancy suits, yet whom at the same time doesn't want to look like a bum. He would be the kind of guy who hates fancy things but whom at the same time knows that he had better look at least half presentable because the boss demands it. So he does what he has to do to get by. He would be the sort of man who would scoff at the kind of guy who takes his fashion sense from GQ.

Well, I still think Craig's Bond should have a taste for the finer things in life. I think he'd like having a really nice suit just because of its quality. Nothing overly elegant, but really cool and somewhat carefree style with them.

Exactly an appreciation and knowledge of the finer things is an esential to the movie Bond--it's expected and it's cool.

[Tuxedo wearing Bond]

Judging by my name you probably could guess my reply to this lol. But it's not the fact that I like his iconical look so much. It's just that he wore the tux throughout the majority of the novel. It may be an change in the series, but this is an adaptation and it needs to keep some minor details aswell as the obvious major. This is also the first Bond film that should be 100% neccessary for Bond to wear one (due to the fact that it revolves around a casino). It's unlikely that this is true, due to the fact that campbell liked the tux and Haggis' comment. But if it is, it's not that bad, but I won't be too happy about it.

[Jim]

[quote name='Emma' date='23 January 2006 - 18:07'][quote name='Loomis' date='23 January 2006 - 16:27'][quote name='Emma' date='23 January 2006 - 15:37']Just put Craig in a cheap Brookes

[Streetworker]

It's a wind up obviously.

Kinda defeats the purpose of the teaser shot now doesn't it?

I'd agree 100%. So you put Craig in a tux in the teaser - playing of traditional Bond conformity and image - and then dispense with it in the movie?

Good one, Dan. Sadly, some will believe you.

The teaser is just advertising. Eon has sold the public the image of 007 wearing a DJ and holding a Walther; it's an iconic image and releasing a photo of Craig in the tux was obviously intended to cement him in people's minds as the new James Bond.
There's no sense carrying that image on into the movie if it's not appropriate for the tone they're trying to set. Moore didn't wear a tux in his first outing, but it doesn't make LALD any less a Bond film.

I sort of agree with you. But... but... but... I've always felt that the lack of a tux (and Q) lost LALD a point as far as I was concerned.

Bond without his tux always strikes me as being like Batman without the suit. But I guess in these slovenly times in which we live, DJs are worn by less an less men (alas), so maybe the filmmakers feel Bond has to dumb down along with the rest of society.

Edited by Streetworker, 23 January 2006 - 10:40 PM.

[1q2w3e4r]

Take note costumer director

Hire and watch.

Dr No, FRWL, GF, TB

And as Fleming would say. Write 10,000 words on why Sean Connery is the best dressed James Bond. And then follow suit.

[Publius]

I think after losing money on TWINE and making a paltry profit with DAD, the powers that be would be content with something along the lines of the critically successful, relatively profitable LTK.

I Know you will go into a very highly detailed financial explanation on why TWINE and DAD were Box office disappointments, I also have info on why they were highly succesful films, but that is besides the point. The producers are not looking for a relatively profitable LTK, no way, not again, EON is and will always be a business, if they are shaking up the formula, it is because they think is right way to go to attract public and make more money.

My point was not that another LTK is what they're looking for, just that they certainly wouldn't have much to complain about, and would indeed be content with it (especially given the state of Hollywood these days...).

And if their business-mindededness was so front and center, in light of the "highly successful" TWINE and DAD one would think they wouldn't be shaking the formula up at all. That's something I would expect after some degree of disappointment somewhere, or perhaps fear of impending failure or rapid decline. Whatever the reason, it's not something I'd expect a business to do in seemingly good times.

If they were confident with their recent track record and in its long-term staying power, I would have expected a media darling the likes of Brosnan to get the part of Bond, and all the usual elements retained rather than swept away, even for only one film.

[Streetworker]

Sean Connery is the best dressed James Bond.

The evidence of DAF suggests otherwise... I mean, how common is a white tux?

[Lounge Lizard]

Sean Connery is the best dressed James Bond.

The evidence of DAF suggests otherwise... I mean, how common is a white tux?

And Connery's pink shirt in that one is even more hotly debated. I thought it was fine. Fleming's Bond would never have worn it, but to me, Sean got away with it.

[1q2w3e4r]

Sean Connery is the best dressed James Bond.

The evidence of DAF suggests otherwise... I mean, how common is a white tux?

Err. How hard is it to read my post?

Rent DN, FRWL, GF, TB.

[tdalton]

It doesn't really matter to me whether or not Daniel Craig wears a tux in the film or not. I thought that the suit he wore to the press conference was pretty good, and something like that wouldn't be bad for the film.

[spynovelfan]

Sean Connery is the best dressed James Bond.

The evidence of DAF suggests otherwise... I mean, how common is a white tux?

Err. How hard is it to read my post?

Rent DN, FRWL, GF, TB.

Just a guess, but I suspect a lot of people here own those films.

[Forever007]

The tuxedo is not a muct for Bond, except in the Gunbarrel sequence. I'm sure Craig has the same clause in his contract as Brosnan that he cannot wear a Tux in any films he does between Bond films. Not wearing the Tux in a Casino doesn't make him any less a Bond. I'd prefer if they darken his hair a little rather than wearing the tux.

[Head of S]

If Daniel is sans tux for the gunbarrel, then by the time he has made three films Bond will have worn a tux in less than half of the gunbarrel sequences.

[ACE]

The evidence of DAF suggests otherwise...

And Connery's pink shirt in that one

I missed the pink shirt in that one....

[Lounge Lizard]

My mistake, ACE. It was a pink tie, as opposed to a shirt. The pink-shirted one was of course Sanchez in LTK... At times, the sartorial details of this 20 film franchise get jumbled around in a fan's head.

Still think Sean got away with that tie, however, campy as it may have been. The tie was in a better state than his toupet for that specific film.

[ACE]

I knew you knew, Lounge Lizard. Your previous posts have been too impressive for you to get that wrong! Just kidding around.

A pal of mine once wittily attended a Bond costume party in Las Vegas (or is it Lost Wages?!) wearing a beige suit and a pink tie. Love it. Easy too.

Yeah, that pink shirt was brave for Sanchez. Dalton nixed designer Jodie Tillen's plans for Bond to wear pastel colours.

[Double-Oh Agent]

Sean Connery is the best dressed James Bond.

The evidence of DAF suggests otherwise... I mean, how common is a white tux?

How common is a white tux? Well, not only did Connery wear one in Diamonds Are Forever, but he also wore one in the PTS of Goldfinger (an iconic image at that). Also, Roger Moore wore one in The Man With The Golden Gun, Octopussy, and A View To A Kill.

[Double-Oh Agent]

As for the possibility of Craig's Bond not wearing a tuxedo in Casino Royale, I think he should. It is part of Bond's image and he's worn a tux in every casino scene he's been in in the series. If he does not wear one, I will be disappointed, but it won't be the end of the world. Bond hasn't worn a tux in three films so this wouldn't be all that new. He can still look good and be Bond-like without a tux. And ultimately, Bond the man is more important than the types of clothes he wears. Still, the tux is just so much a part of his character that I can't help feeling that it will be missed if it's absent from Casino Royale.

[fatima]

But please EON just come clean, what you are really doing is launching a whole new action franchise with a whole new hero in it and useing the 007 brand name to floggit.

Because Craig might not wear a tux and Craig has a silly nickname?

It is a film about British agent James Bond, based on the first Ian Fleming novel, made by the people who have been making Bond films for the last 40 years.

Where's the new hero bit?

Well a couple of years ago we had an attempt to make a Charlies Angels/Lara Croft rip-off with 'Jinx the Movie'.

We now have a tough, gritty anti-terrorist movie staring the very Matt Damon/Keifer Sutherland-esq Daniel Craig. No Q, no Moneypenny, no tux, Bond in the SAS(new one on me ).

Surely, at some point you have to ask if this is still actually James Bond?

Remember Val Kilmer as The Saint

[Loomis]

Dalton nixed designer Jodie Tillen's plans for Bond to wear pastel colours.

Dunno if you know this, but Tillen was also the costume designer on "Miami Vice". (Or at least, she was on the episode I was watching last night.)

[Loomis]

We now have a tough, gritty anti-terrorist movie staring the very Matt Damon/Keifer Sutherland-esq Daniel Craig. No Q, no Moneypenny, no tux, Bond in the SAS(new one on me ).

Surely, at some point you have to ask if this is still actually James Bond?

But we passed that point many years - nay, decades - ago. A comic fantasy adventure starring the very Fleming's Bond Roger Moore, and set partly in space - was it still actually James Bond in MOONRAKER? And I'm sure many were grumbling about 007 being sold down the river by Hollywood in 1967, with the release of the rather zany YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE.

And look at Brosnan: no cigarettes, no male M, Italian suits (this is very unBondian, I gather), weapon of choice a machine gun. Still James Bond?

[spynovelfan]

Well a couple of years ago we had an attempt to make a Charlies Angels/Lara Croft rip-off with 'Jinx the Movie'.

But. Um. They didn't make it.

We now have a tough, gritty anti-terrorist movie staring the very Matt Damon/Keifer Sutherland-esq Daniel Craig. No Q, no Moneypenny, no tux, Bond in the SAS(new one on me ).

Surely, at some point you have to ask if this is still actually James Bond?

Remember Val Kilmer as The Saint

I see what you're saying, but I think it's an over-reaction. Ian Fleming used a state-sponsored terrorist organisation (Smersh) in the novel this is based on. He created (or co-created, if you like) the non-state-sponsored terrorist organisation SPECTRE. Anti-terrorist plots may be the domain of Bourne or 24 now - but they have also been the lifeblood of the Bond franchise.

As for the gritty stuff, well let's see how gritty it will be. I love the Bourne films, but one of the reasons I do is because they brought back some of the grit that was in the early Bond films. Watch FRWL and THE BOURNE SUPREMACY back to back and you'll see what I mean. To say that Bond ain't Bond because the film sounds more like Bourne seems to be missing the obvious link that Bourne is rather a lot like Bond!

[Hitchcock Bond]

I agree that they may be going for a Bourne-style feel to CR. I would expect it to be grittier than the Brosnan era films (although I thought they were fun and entertaining) but with still a lot of style that is not really in the Bourne films. I don't think Bond will be exclusively wearing sweatshirts. In keeping with modern times many execs, filmstars do prefer Italian suits to bespoke tailoring. It would be in keeping for a contemporary Bond to wear suits from the likes of Brioni. I would suggest that Bond never just bought British. (more than happy to be corrected on that one) Fleming did not object to giving Bond Italian and German pistols, Bond liked the Beretta and the department preferred the Walther. On the other hand if any of the Saville Row tailors were to put up as much as Brioni to be in the film, they would be in the film. Hate to appear mercenary but money does a lot of talking.

[eddyellis]

Radio One

[Shrublands]

[quote name='eddyellis' date='25 January 2006 - 12:09']Radio One

[Shrublands]

[quote name='Shrublands' date='25 January 2006 - 12:33']Radio 1

[eddyellis]

It was during Jo Whiley's show - do they have a "listen again" feature, and if so, are the news reports included?

[EyesOnly]

I'm sure Craig will wear a Tuxedo in at least a small capacity in CR. Anyway, does anyone else thing the only other actor that looked rather odd in a tux was Lazenby!?