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[DLibrasnow]

Originally posted by Cabainus
GE is superior to DAD in almost every department.

You should not forget that after 6 years many people thought that trying to revive the Bond films would be a mistake.

Bond was considered out of date, and as 'M' aptly said to him at the start of the film 'a relic of the cold war'

The producers needed somthing pretty special to convince critics and theatre goers otherwise, and that something was GE, a film that created a whole new generation of Bond fans.


Unfortunatly 7 years on we are given DAD as the latest offering.
Have people forgotten what James Bond is supposed to be all about??

In DAD we are given a melee of stunts, actions sequences, bad CGI and terrible one-liners.

The basic Bond formula is still there, but this film is such a far cry from the earlier films in which Bond is clever, resourceful and relies on his wits it is untrue.

In a series that contains genuine good films like FRWL, GF, TSWLM is this really a worthy entry??

We are all Bond fans but there is a question you must ask yourselves..

If DAD was the same film but did not contain the character of James Bond, but instead another action character would you still enjoy it??

Honestly??


In short comparing GE to DAD is a non event, because one is a genuine, enthralling complex thriller, and the other a money making OTT hash of stunts and set-pieces.

I agree with your post in almost every point. Interestingly, my roommate was watching "Goldeneye" today and later on I noticed he was watching "TND" and even later "TWINE". I have never seen him watching a Bond movie so I quipped "Doing a Bond marathon are we?" and he said "Yes." Then he surprised me by saying "That first one was great, I don't know what happened with the other two they were just kinda blah."
It will be interesting to see what his assessment of DAD will be when it comes out on DVD. Only a few days left to go!

Brosnan was just a great and incredibly cool 007 in GE!!! **watches Xen and MBE faint in disbelief** I am not taking the p*ss, I really, honestly mean that.

[SamuelKevlar]

After watching Goldeneye I felt happy and full of energy.
After watching Die Another Day I felt blasted and stunned.

GE All The Way!!!

[SirMiles83]

Comparing DAD to GE, IMO is like comparing FRWL and TSWLM. Sometimes I'll like FRWL more than TSWLM and vice versa. It's all about what you look for in a Bond film. GE is, IMO, a better, realisitic film, whereas DAD is a more majestic, adventure film. GE, IMO, will never beat DAD on action and stunts, never. But DAD will never beat GE on the casting, acting, and intriguing plot. Right now DAD is better for me because of the amazing action sequences, the tortures situation Bond was put in, lush locales, villains, and set design.

[Sir James]

First, a Bond film is by definition an action movie. As the world's longest running film franchise in its 20th epic, the basic Bond premise is known to all. If you don't like action movies, don't see a Bond movie. The Bond movie makers are safeguarding the heritage of the most watched film series on the planet with literally hundreds of millions of fans around the world. A Bond film cannot be faulted for sticking to the formula, if it did deviate from it, it would disappoint all fans and kill the series immediately.

Still, to be honest and fair. Die Another Day will not be in the running for Oscars (ha-ha, not even for its special effects). It is not a period historical drama, not a deep development of characters, nor a suspenseful mystery. It is a Bond film, what at its best is the epitome of the action film genre. I will examine Die Another Day in relation to the other Bonds.

We know what to expect going in, and we will be sorely disappointed if we don

[5 BONDS]

The tank chase alone kills off DAD!!!!!!!!!!

[zencat]

Love the tank chase.

[Harmsway]

I gotta agree. GE's tank chase alone beats any action offering DAD has.

[Harmsway]

[quote]Originally posted by Sir James
First and foremost a Bond movie must have a strong Bond actor. Roger Moore should have quit well before his sad A View to a Kill in 1985. Pierce Brosnan has been getting better every time, at Die Another Day he is at his best.  He is Bond, whether dressed in a bermuda shirt in Cuba, a sniper outfit in a North Korean airfield, a wet hospital gown in a luxury hotel lobby in Hong Kong, or a tuxedo in the Ice Palace; every time Brosnan holds the audience. There is no doubt that this man is smooth, calm, in control and yet a professional killer. With its Bond actor, Die Another Day is better than ANY Bond before. [/quote]

I sincerely have to disagree with on this call, Sir James. I don't think Brosnan's performance alone can make a Bond film a great one. Besides, I think Sean Connery could have hit DAD out of the ballpark had he been young enough to be Bond in it. I do agree that Brosnan is at his finest hour, but I guess it's a matter of whether you really think he's all that great or not.

[quote]Originally posted by Sir James
We also need a solid twisting plot. If we have Bond shot into space playing Star Wars as in Moonraker or fighting an army of Kung Fu masters in The Man with the Golden Gun, the plot ruins the whole movie. Yes he is the ultimate superhero, but lets not suspend all reality; James Bond was a book before the movies, not a cartoon. Note that the plot for a new Bond movie must be the worst challenge for a screenwriter today. In Die Another Day we have the main plot elements as mainstream 007 as they can possibly be. An evil dictatorship (yes!) supporting the diamond multimillionaire villain (yes!) who has a space based superweapon (yes!) and the deformed psychopath as his sidekick (yes!) and threatens World War 3 (yes!). A plot doesn

[Doubleshot]

DAD is far from perfect. It's entirely enjoyable, yes; but very far from perfection.

[red dwarf]

* agrees with Sir James *

[Dr.Carl Mortner]

GoldenEye - absolutely no question whatsoever. I consider GE the last true James Bond movie, because it was the last one that had that Cubby Broccoli feel to it. Thank goodness he was able to make one more before he died.

Let's put it this way: I saw each Pierce Brosnan Bond at least three times in the theatre. GE was the only one that I felt excited about each time I saw it. TND pumped me up the first time but became lacklustre with each subsequent viewing. TWINE disappointed me from the very first screening. I walked away with an almost queasy feeling from DAD, having loved the first hour but having been confused and disappointed by the end.

GE was ARB's crowning achievement - his last chance to go out on a high note. His enthusiasm for Bond is sorely missed in the last three outings.

[DLibrasnow]

Originally posted by Dr.Carl Mortner
GoldenEye - absolutely no question whatsoever. I consider GE the last true James Bond movie, because it was the last one that had that Cubby Broccoli feel to it. Thank goodness he was able to make one more before he died.  

Let's put it this way: I saw each Pierce Brosnan Bond at least three times in the theatre. GE was the only one that I felt excited about each time I saw it. TND pumped me up the first time but became lacklustre with each subsequent viewing. TWINE disappointed me from the very first screening. I walked away with an almost queasy feeling from DAD, having loved the first hour but having been confused and disappointed by the end.

GE was ARB's crowning achievement - his last chance to go out on a high note. His enthusiasm for Bond is sorely missed in the last three outings.

I agree entirely with your post....except I only saw TWINE once at the theater...I disliked it so much I could not sit through it again..
Yes I own the DVD of TWINE, that is the completist in me, even the commentaries for that movie were boring...

[RayBros007]

DAD had the CGI surfing scene... I rest my case... GE all the way;)

(but I really do like DAD a little)

[OOSe7en]

No comparison in my mind. "GoldenEye" all the way. Even the trailers were cooler than DAD.

[Jmart007]

Goldeneye is a much better movie than Die Another Day. The title song in Goldeneye is much better than DAD. The Action scenes in GE are more believable than in DAD. GE had a much better story line than DAD. The only thing that DAD beats out GE is the score. GE almost had I believe only one scene in it where you can really hear the 007 theme and that's the Tank Chase. All the other scenes in which you should hear the Bond theme, you have to listen very closely for. BTW, I didn't really like the gunbarrel theme in GE or DAD. TND and TWINE have the best gunbarrel sequences, at least in the Brosnan era.

BTW, I completely agree with 00Se7en in saying that the trailers were cooler than DAD. Seeing as I was only 8 at the time and didn't know a thing about James Bond, I can only imagine the feeling the Bond fans must have once the 007 music was played with the trailer after the 6 year wait. Also Pierce Brosnan after shooting the letters so it turns in 007 and then saying "Expecting someone else?" in the teaser trailer, is just priceless. I had a chance to see this movie with my dad when I was 8 but didn't want to because I thought it would be too scary for me. After all it was rated PG-13 and I had not seen a movie with a PG-13 rating (exception Mrs. Doubtfire, ironically with Pierce in it) so I was scared. Kind of ironic now seeing as that I am a huge James Bond fan.

[Tarl_Cabot]

After "A view to a kill" I lost interest in Bond films. Then I started reading the books. I started with John Gardener's "Licence Renewed" and then "Ice breaker" and then Ian Flemming...I could not picture Roger Moore as Bond while reading. The Living Daylights arrived and Timothy Dalton was exactly what I thought the series needed. I loved his two films...he was who I pictured while I read the books.

So, after a 6 and a half year wait my expectations and anticipation was high. I never really warmed to Goldeneye, in fact I was dissapointed.I thought it was pretty weak and cookie cutter. The Monte Carlo scenes were like a remake of OHMSS.I thought FJ was wasted after a great intro.It just didn't impress me. I was a LTK fan and I had read so much about how awful it was and how awful Dalton was...etc and I wasn't sold on the new film.It was just ok.I hated the F-a-k-e stunt in the pretitle. That killed the film for me.

I hated DAD despited a great start.Both films were very dissapointing for me. I'll chose GE but I'm not a fan of either. Cheesy fake stunts don't belong in Bond films.

[Kristian]

Goldeneye, by a narrow margin.

My Ranking of the Brosnan Bonds:

1.) TWINE
2.) GE
3.) DAD
4.) TND