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[kevrichardson]

For years "GoldFinger has been labelled the prototype James Bond film . It according to legend had the right mixture of action . Sex , best Bond babes (Pussy Galore ) . Best car (Aston Martin DB5 ) . Best Villians ( Gert Frobe as Goldfinger ) . And minor villians ( the Chinese , North Koreans , Oddjob ) . Has "Die Another Day " replaced this film as the model James Bond film for the 21st century ?

[Johnson Galore]

I think DAD could be the new model. However, I don't think any of the films since TLD have been modeled to closely on the GF prototype. Maybe they've been searching for a modernized model and they've now found it!

[Righty007]

Die Another Day has NOT replaced Goldfinger as the model Bond film. Goldfinger is a classic, and Die Another Day wasn't that good. If anything The World is Not Enough should be the modern model Bond film.

[Blofeld's Barber]

I agree, Righty007 - while DAD had its good moments, it definately paled in comparison to many other Bond films, including TWINE.

[SirMiles83]

I think DAD could be MGM's model for future Bond films seeing that it is the highest grossing ever. Although I like DAD a lot I don't think it should be the model for all of the rest of the Bond movies. I liked all the Brosnan films and I think thay are good, but the most recent Bond film that could be a model for future Bond films would be TLD. Action, gadgets, awesome car, great story and great acting. Humor could have been better though.

[WarBird]

Definetly not. GoldFinger has and always be the model James Bond film in my opinion. It has just the right amount of everything. DAD seems to be another movie similiar to TND, but not like TWINE. GoldFinger is like a great building for example. If someone builds the tallest building in the world, and then someone else and goes and builds a taller building. That first one will always be respected and admired, for simply being the tallest building at that time and for someone to accomplish a peat that no one else could accomplish until later in time. GoldFinger is that first tall building.

[Doubleshot]

I think Die Another Day may be the defining Bond film for the current series the way Goldfinger was in it's day and The Spy Who Loved Me was in it's.

[DanMan]

Agreed. Die Another Day has brought in a whole new audience for Bond and took the series into the 21st century. From what I've been hearing, much more people like DAD than dislike it.

[PaulZ108]

I doubt it, but if any Brosnan movie is the new "model Bond film" it's definately not TWINE.

[1q2w3e4r]

I don't think either that any new Brosnan film is the new "model" Bond.

If anyone is, it's hard to argue against GoldenEye. It set the standard for pace and action that has been followed in the three other Brosnan outings.

[thuffner]

No way. Modern Bonds will never be model Bonds. 1960's all the way!

[Icephoenix]

I dont think some of you get what kevrichardson means. It's not about your prefrence, but on how MGM will mould furture Bond's from now on. And the movie general audiences will think of when the word "Bond" is whispered. I think DAD will be the new model Bond, it's got all the basics and some new stuff, and was well recieved internationally.

[rafterman]

yep, icephoenix got it, this will be the model the filmmakers follow, just as Goldfinger was followed in its day.....doesn't matter if you like it or not, but it's kind of clear MGM and EON will try to make more films like DAD, just like there were times when they followed Goldfinger's example...

[DLibrasnow]

Originally posted by Righty007
Die Another Day has NOT replaced Goldfinger as the model Bond film. Goldfinger is a classic, and Die Another Day wasn't that good. If anything The World is Not Enough should be the modern model Bond film.

I don't see your argument. DAD made a lot more money than TWINE, and was a much better picture than TWINE.

[kevrichardson]

The Legendary Bond film "Goldfinger" is no longer the formula model for Bond in the 21st century . It has been replaced by the model established in 1977 with the "The Spy Who Loved Me" . In terms of Box-office and the use of non-stop action sequences used to advance the plot . With little in terms of character development . "The Spy" is in many way a direct linear to "YOLT" . The use of a direct confrontation between the west and the villian . To destroy the western powers ( or in the case of "DAD" . The United States in Korea) are similar . The use of a Super Gadget Sports Car ( in "Spy" it was the Lotus Esprit ) . In "Die Another Day" it was the AstonMartin . Both of which pplayed important parts in advancing the plot . Bond is in "Military Gear" for the climax , ( In "Spy" it was the UK Naval uniform ) . With the heroine also in Miltary Gear , Anya in a Russian uniform , Jinx in the same stylre of dress as Bond . The use of a complex action prequel in "DAD" is similar to "Spy" . The Mountain Ski cahse/Jump in "Spy" . While the Surfing into North Korea . Was unique and surprisingly different for a Bond . The return of a Large than life villian . After the small scale one from the first two Moore films ( "Live and Let Die" , "The Man with the Golden Gun") . While for Brosnan it was "GoldenEye" , "Tomorrow Never Dies" , and "The World Is Not Enough" .

[Righty007]

Originally posted by DLibrasnow


I don't see your argument. DAD made a lot more money than TWINE, and was a much better picture than TWINE.

So what if DAD made more money? I'm not saying DAD is a bad movie but TWINE is much better. One of the reasons is TWINE wasn't screwed up by some ****y CGI scenes.

[OOSe7en]

God I hope not !!!

FRWL, Goldfinger, TLD, Goldeneye -- all classics.

DAD in my opinion is completely over-hyped. It's a downer to think (and then realize) that the Bond producers will try to copy DAD in every future film just to keep the grosses up. It's too damn bad they can't be gutsy and make a 007 film as good as "The Thomas Crown Affair" which was a great mix of sex and style and had you guessing till the end.

[superracer0022]

Originally posted by kevrichardson
...The return of a Large than life villian .  After the small scale one from the first two Moore films ( "Live and Let Die" , "The Man with the Golden Gun")...

I have to disagree with that, Baron Samedi and TeeHee were excellent villains in LALD how can you beat a guy if he cant die? (dont get much larger then that) oh well that is just MHO.

[Harmsway]

DAD isn't a model Bond film. It can't be, since only 30% of it is really original. It just copies and pastes from other Bond films, and I guess that's been done before, but DAD, I think, is the Bond film that has done it the most.

[Xenobia]

I don't think DAD should be the new model for the Bond films, however, because of huge world wide gross, it probably will be a new model in the worst ways possible -- more CGI, more weird editing, Bond gets caught more often, etc.

I've never been a great fan of Goldfinger. I think the Bond films should be modeled more on From Russia with Love, and their success therein judged on that standard.

-- Xenobia

[Righty007]

Originally posted by Xenobia
I don't think DAD should be the new model for the Bond films, however, because of huge world wide gross, it probably will be a new model in the worst ways possible -- more CGI, more weird editing, Bond gets caught more often, etc.  

-- Xenobia

I totally agree with you.

[kevrichardson]

Originally posted by superracer0022

I have to disagree with that, Baron Samedi and TeeHee were excellent villains in LALD how can you beat a guy if he cant die? (dont get much larger then that) oh well that is just MHO.

TeeHee die at the end of "Live and Let Die" . Baron Samedi was killed by Bond .

[kevrichardson]

Originally posted by Xenobia

I've never been a great fan of Goldfinger.  I think the Bond films should be modeled more on From Russia with Love, and their success therein judged on that standard.
-- Xenobia

"From Russia With Love" is a great film . Yet time and time again post are written about how todays movie going public . Would not sit through that type of Bond film .

[Dr Noah]

"Baron Samedi was killed by Bond"

The last shot of the movie is Baron Samedi alive and well...

[kevrichardson]

Originally posted by Dr Noah
"Baron Samedi was killed by Bond"
The last shot of the movie is Baron Samedi alive and well

Ah ! Dr.Noah that was just a cute way to end the film . Then the train of thought around here is that the dude with the cat and baldhead . In "FYEO" was not Blofeld . Okay have it your way . HE ALIVE .

[gkgyver]

I hope not. For me, two things made this movie less enjoyable: first, the ultra-dumb character of Jinx and second, Graves' super-surrealistic Marsianic armour.
What about the times when Bond killed off the villain in a one-on-one fight, rescued his girl and blew out a classic final comment?
I don't know about you, but I hate this whole "independent and emancipated girl" stuff. Nothing against emancipation in the REAL world, but these are BOND movies, they're about JAMES BOND 007 and a co-star (may it be a he or a she) has >nothing< to lose in it.

[Mourning Becomes Electra]

Yeah a return to classics when Bond saved the girl ...like at the end of FRWL, GF, and TB... oh yeah he didn't, they saved him. In contrast Jinx didn't save Bond unless you count the laser fight when he probably could have got out of it, but he did save her at least twice even if you don't count the ending where she was just going to stay in the plane laughing while it crashed. He saved Wai Lin too on several occasions. In fact the only Bond girl to "save" Brosnan's Bond was Natalya with the helicopter at the end and she wasn't a spy, just an "ordinary" girl.

As for strong independent women in Bond, they're not new... exactly what do you think Pussy Galore was? Or Fiona Volpe? Or Aki? Or XXX? Or Melina? Or Octopussy? Or Pam Bouvier? I think you've been reading too many recent press clippings where the Bond girl du jour pronounces she's not like all the other ones that came before her but intelligent and independent yadda yadda. Yeah there were some dumb useless bunnies along the way (mostly in the early 70's) but most Bond women have been smart, adventurous and capable, and that's just not in the films but in Fleming's books where he wrote some extraodinary women (espcially for the 50's and 50's) like Gala Brand, Tiffany Case, Domino etc.

[DLibrasnow]

Originally posted by Mourning Becomes Electra
Yeah a return to classics when Bond saved the girl ...like at the end of FRWL, GF, and TB... oh yeah he didn't, they saved him.  In contrast Jinx didn't save Bond unless you count the laser fight when he probably could have got out of it, but he did save her at least twice even if you don't count the ending where she was just going to stay in the plane laughing while it crashed.  He saved Wai Lin too on several occasions.  In fact the only Bond girl to "save" Brosnan's Bond was Natalya with the helicopter at the end and she wasn't a spy, just an "ordinary" girl.    

As for strong independent women in Bond, they're not new... exactly what do you think Pussy Galore was?  Or Fiona Volpe?  Or Aki?  Or XXX?  Or Melina? Or Octopussy?  Or Pam Bouvier?   I think you've been reading too many recent press clippings where the Bond girl du jour pronounces she's not like all the other ones that came before her but intelligent and independent yadda yadda.   Yeah there were some dumb useless bunnies along the way (mostly in the early 70's) but most Bond women have been smart, adventurous and capable, and that's just not in the films but in Fleming's books where he wrote some extraodinary women (espcially for the 50's and 50's) like Gala Brand, Tiffany Case, Domino etc.

I'm with you on this MBE....It always makes me laugh when the newest Bond girl talks about how they are different from all the Bond girls before them, more independent and able to take care of themselves. Even the first Bond girl in the series Honey Rider was an independent, capable and adventurous woman, what about Fiona Volpe, Pussy Galore, Kissy, Tracy, Tiffany Case, Anya Amasova, Holly Goodhead, Melina Havelock, Octopussy, MayDay, Pam Bouvier ---- the whole 007 series is littered with independent, capable, emancipated and strong women who are able to take care of themselves.
As you also pointed out this tradition goes back even further to the 1950s when Fleming wrote strong female characters into his novels.

[iceberg]

Originally posted by kevrichardson
For years "GoldFinger has been labelled the prototype James Bond film . It according to legend had the right mixture of action . Sex , best Bond babes (Pussy Galore ) . Best car (Aston Martin DB5 ) . Best Villians ( Gert Frobe as Goldfinger ) . And minor villians ( the Chinese , North Koreans , Oddjob ) .  Has "Die Another Day " replaced this film as the model James Bond film for the 21st century ?

Don't make me laugh. DAD was good, but let's get real.

[kevrichardson]

Originally posted by superracer0022

I have to disagree with that, Baron Samedi and TeeHee were excellent villains in LALD how can you beat a guy if he cant die? (dont get much larger then that) oh well that is just MHO.

i never stated or implyed that TeeHee or Baron Samedi were not excellent vilians. But compared to the likes of Blofeld . They were small time .