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[Righty007]

Roger Moore was the second best Bond after Sean, but he was too old to play Bond in his last couple of movies. I know he had a contract to do the Bond films but they shouldn't have kept him for as long as they did. In the 80's Bond was an old man. Does anyone feel the same way?

[kevrichardson]

Originally posted by Righty007
Roger Moore was the second best Bond after Sean, but he was too old to play Bond in his last couple of movies. I know he had a contract to do the Bond films but they shouldn't have kept him for as long as they did. In the 80's Bond was an old man. Does anyone feel the same way?

The problem then as now is "who will replace him". Moore want to retire serveral times but Broccoli would plea for him to return. So by the time of "AVTAK" is was rather elderly.

[zencat]

When I look back now on the '80s Moore films, yes, he's looks too old...but I didn't think this at the time the movies came out. Roger Moore WAS James Bond and it really didn't matter if he looked old. He was still Roger and he was back! Having now had Timothy and Pierce has sort of changed the way we look at Bond as a character as a character who really can be played by multiple actors with different styles. But back then there were only two men who could play Bond, Roger and Sean, and it was very hard to imagine anyone else in the part (Lazenby just seem to confirm that fact). So it's not really fair to look back now and say they should have dumped Roger because of his age. Roger was a very popular Bond and the fact that kept him so long is testament to that. And those movies were all big hits.

[kevrichardson]

Why do we constantly dump on George Lazenby ? Zencat i agreed with all of your post. Still Lazenby had a difficult job . Made more complex by the lost of faith from EON . Zencat i have one question for you. Are we moving down the same path with Brosnan ?

[zencat]

I wasn't dumping on Lazenby. I like Lazenby. But back then the idea of someone other than Moore or Connery playing Bond seemed impossible and Lazenby seemed to confirm this. It was just really hard back then to see someone else in the part. Now that we're used to many different faces in the part, Lazenby's Bond is easier to appreciate.

I don't think we're going down the same path with Pierce because now the public has accepted the idea of multiple Bonds. But I do think Eon and MGM will be reluctant to replace the

[Simon]

Agreed all the way.

I never thought Roger was too old at the time and to be honest, I couldn't care less now. Yes it is plain to see but we were never watching Moore for his athletic abilities and everyone concerned knew that. He had his star quality which, I have to say, Brosnan is some way behind on (but a great Bond nonetheless) and I could have just as happily gone on to see another Bond in the guise of Moore.

Moore gave great star quality performances which truly safeguarded the series and his films didn't have to rely on (to a certain extent) multiple silly explosions.

[kevrichardson]

[quote]Originally posted by zencat
I wasn't dumping on Lazenby. I like Lazenby. But back then the idea of someone other than Moore or Connery playing Bond seemed impossible and Lazenby seemed to confirm this. It was just really hard back then to see someone else in the part. Now that we're used to many different faces in the part, Lazenby's Bond is easier to appreciate.
I don't think we're going down the same path with Pierce because now the public has accepted the idea of multiple Bonds. But I do think Eon and MGM will be reluctant to replace the

[Simon]

Originally posted by kevrichardson
Moore was what closer too 60 by the time of "AVTAK"

56 when he filmed it, 57 at the time of release.

[kevrichardson]

Originally posted by Simon

56 when he filmed it, 57 at the time of release.

Wow!!! It's amazing he did'nt get injuried during filming of "AVTAK" . How much insurance did EON have too carry to insure the films finish. Serious , do we want this from Brosnan ! If he does Bond 21 he will be 52 . Then if he returns for Bond 22 he will be 55 ! That pretty close to Moore's age .

[BONDFINESSE 007]

56 is not old,people go on and on about it being elderly, i am 36 and i promise you i dont think 56 is old, if brosnan is on screen i dont stop and say to myself "oh wait he fifty whatever" all i care about is he is bond and i dont even think of how old he is in real life, when he on that screen his age does not even come in to my mind

[kevrichardson]

Originally posted by BONDFINESSE 007
56 is not old,people go on and on about it being elderly, i am 36 and i promise you i dont think 56 is old, if brosnan is on screen i dont stop and say to myself "oh wait he fifty whatever" all i care about is he is bond and i dont even think of how old he is in real life, when he on that screen his age does not even come in to my mind

People said the same things about Roger Moore !

[ChandlerBing]

I was one of the few people who thought Connery could come back as Bond up until a few years ago. He could play Bond at his real age which would have been interesting. I thought Entrapment was terrific, same with The Rock. I love it when Connery kicks *** to this day.

[kevrichardson]

Originally posted by ChandlerBing
I was one of the few people who thought Connery could come back as Bond up until a few years ago.  He could play Bond at his real age which would have been interesting.  I thought Entrapment was terrific, same with The Rock.  I love it when Connery kicks *** to this day.

In reality as then Connery uses a stunt double. And he does look his age. Which is over 70 , closer to 73 . The idea of him playing Bond end during NSNA.

[Johnson Galore]

Originally posted by ChandlerBing
I was one of the few people who thought Connery could come back as Bond up until a few years ago.  He could play Bond at his real age which would have been interesting.  I thought Entrapment was terrific, same with The Rock.  I love it when Connery kicks *** to this day.

How about this? Sean Connery in Casino Royale, based largely on the book. Disgruntled former SMERSH agent takes revenge on older, retired Bond.

And back to the post, Roger Moore was James Bond for a decade. Audiences accepted him at the time. It worked then; it just looks painful now.

[4 Ur Eyez Only]

I think they all stay for one or 2 too long.. Pirece right now aged allot!! wow..

but actually I never thought of Roger as old.. or looked old, I kinda thought they changed the character with Roger's later ones. and made smarter!! so really age is like wisdom I think roger last 3 showed this.. he used his brains to get out of problems,ect...

There is nothign wrong with an older action hero... atleast they all are not like "bullet proof" steroid super heros with NO brains.. like Stallone & Arnold

I think if I had to pick by looks.. and age. I think Roger held up better then Sean.. man, in Diamonds are forever Sean looked like a Fat Math teacher.. he really aged bad in 11 years!... and in Never say Never he looked like Roger's Grandfather..

Pierce is starting to really look wrinkled.. also..

They have to pick another Bond.. BUT this time pick a guy in his late 20's -early 30's.. Like Sean looked in Dr No!! NO more of these guys getting the role at 42.. then after ther 3rd movie they are over 50!

[rafterman]

he does seem really old at the end, but I think it was right for the time, you could believe he was the same guy who had been in every film....then he suddenly got younger....when we had Roger there wasn't much change after Sean in terms of age....

[TheSaint]

Something to consider regarding Roger in AVTAK...he had a flu during half of the filming and lost weight so, there are some scenes where he looks better than in other scenes(almost similar to Sean's hairline in DAF where, due to "musical toupees", he has a fuller head of hair in some scenes than in others).

[TheSaint]

Another thing to consider regarding Roger and his last few Bond films... let's say he leaves after Octopussy, right? Who plays 007 in "From A View to A Kill(as it was originally titled)? Who would you have cast as Bond for 1985? Brosnan was way too young in 1985. Would Tim have been interested then, or was he busy doing stage work(I still can't believe he did "Sextette"-that one film makes Roger's post-Bond career Oscar worthy)? James Brolin? Sam Neill? One actor that comes to mind is Ian Ogilvy, though I'm not sure he would've wanted to step into Roger's shoes a second time.

[DLibrasnow]

Originally posted by TheSaint
Another thing to consider regarding Roger and his last few Bond films... let's say he leaves after Octopussy, right? Who plays 007 in "From A View to A Kill(as it was originally titled)? Who would you have cast as Bond for 1985? Brosnan was way too young in 1985. Would Tim have been interested then, or was he busy doing stage work(I still can't believe he did "Sextette"-that one film makes Roger's post-Bond career Oscar worthy)? James Brolin? Sam Neill? One actor that comes to mind is Ian Ogilvy, though I'm not sure he would've wanted to step into Roger's shoes a second time.

Mel Gibson....and I understand he was (at that time) interested in taking on the role -- it was 1986 before he hit it REALLY big with "Lethal Weapon"...

[zencat]

Originally posted by TheSaint
Something to consider regarding Roger in AVTAK...he had a flu during half of the filming and lost weight so, there are some scenes where he looks better than in other scenes...

This I didn't know. I think Roger actually looks better in AVTAK than he does in OP (I think he might have had a minor facelift in between films), but there's something about his movements that show his age in this film.

[Simon]

Yeah, he went through a facelift, he had the mole removed and you could see his eyes had lost their squinty heroic aspect.

[4 Ur Eyez Only]

I don't think it matter the age of Roger or an actor..

IF the writers & actors play him as a guy who is older or maybe wiser!!

IF they don't thats when people have a problem..

Roger played him older in: for your eyes only - a view to a kill! So he and the writers are fine!!

BUT when you act like your still 38 or something like Arnold & Stallone are STILL doing.. then thats when people have a problwm with older actors pretending to be young mid 40's guys.. instaed of putting depth to the characters!!

(Harrison Ford) Indiana Jones is going to be 62 when the movie comes out.. !! Does it matter.. IF they write him as an older guy.. and Harrison plays him that way .. NO

*Even Sean in: Never Say Never Again.. played him older, and it was fine!! Probably his best acting as Bond since the first 3.

age doesn't matter if you admitt your older.. BUT if you are this "mid 40's " action star.. BUT in real life your over 55 (ie: Stallone & Arnold) thats when it looks stupid.

Roger was great in the last 3!!! He played Bond wiser,a great shot with his gun,& just more educated & classy..

Sean did a nice job in the last one he did as well..

Age is no big thing if you write it into the charater.. or you have your actor portray that in his acting

[kevrichardson]

Yeah so what Sean Connery was in "Never Say Never Again" . He may be young than Roger Moore , but only be three(3) years . Yet Coneery look old , and bored . Plus Connery was having a "Bad Hair Day " during the entire shoot . What was so great about his performance in NSNA . Like has last 2 Bonds after "ThunderBall" .Connery was on AUTOPILOT .

[Righty007]

Originally posted by Simon
Yeah, he went through a facelift, he had the mole removed and you could see his eyes had lost their squinty heroic aspect.

Roger didn't get his mole removed in between Octopussy and AVTAK.

[zencat]

Originally posted by Righty007
Roger didn't get his mole removed in between Octopussy and AVTAK.

Well then it must have fallen off by itself because it's there in OP and gone in AVTAK.

[Righty007]

Originally posted by zencat

Well then it must have fallen off by itself because it's there in OP and gone in AVTAK.

I just looked at my AVTAK movie box and Roger still has his mole! Are we talking about the same mole?

[zencat]

That picture of Roger on the AVTAK box is a pic from OP. (Half of those boxes use the wrong pics.) Watch the film. No mole.

[zencat]

Here's moleless Rog from AVTAK.

[Righty007]

Originally posted by zencat
That picture of Roger on the AVTAK box is a pic from OP. Watch the film. No mole.

Okay, I believe you. Roger is lucky not to have a visible scar, because I got a mole removed from my face when I was in 3rd grade and I have a very visible scar.

[zencat]

I think he does have a bit of a scar. In some pics you can kind of see a dark shadow where the mole once was. In the film he's in makeup so it looks much better.