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[goldengun]

I have found here amongst the posts that Roger Moore planned to make MR his last Bond outing. But then he comes back for FYEO.

Then he announces that FYEO is his last Bond.

Then he returns for OP. THe film where they considered James Brolin to play Bond. I really am glad he didn't - you see how he introduces himself to Maud Adams in the screen test (it's on the DVD), extending his hand to her - not the Bond way.

But Roger doesn't make OP his last and then (thankfully) returns to do AVTAK.

Now I read that Cubby wanted him to do LTD as well (too bad!!!). SO looks like Cubby really like Roger - even made Roger the highest paid Brit actor at that time.

What made Roger return to do the last 3 films? Money? Cubby's smooth talk? Cubby's genuine likeness for Moore?

How did Cubby take Roger Moore's exit?

[zencat]

Originally posted by goldengun
Now I read that Cubby wanted him to do LTD as well (too bad!!!).  SO looks like Cubby really like Roger - even made Roger the highest paid Brit actor at that time.

You know... The only place I've ever heard this is on this board, and the explanation I received was, "I read it somewhere." I don't know. Moore officially retired in Dec. '85, only a few months after AVTAK's release. Until I hear a named source on this "Cubby wanted Moore for TLD" rumor, I'm not going to believe it. Sorry, no offense. But I've read A LOT about Bond and I've never heard this.

And Moore's threatening to leave the series after MR (when his contract ran out) I think had more to do with contract negotiations than a desire to really leave.

[David Somerset]

I think they did seriously consider getting Roger to do TLD whilst waiting for Pierces Remington Steele contract to run out. I can remember reading and hearing this in the media in between Pierce being announced as Bond and before Tim was announced as Bond. How much actual truth there is to it I dont know. Maybe just all media speculation at the time

[BONDFINESSE 007]

yeah but how would tld have been had roger done it??????

[zencat]

Originally posted by David Somerset
I think they did seriously consider getting Roger to do TLD whilst waiting for Pierces Remington Steele contract to run out. I can remember reading and hearing this in the media in between Pierce being announced as Bond and before Tim was announced as Bond. How much actual truth there is to it I dont know. Maybe just all media speculation at the time

Maybe my problem with this is that it was reported in the UK, because I have stacks of clippings following every step of the Brosnan/search for Bond in '86 and there is NO mention of Moore whatsoever. Like I said before, he was long gone. I also just read in the new book "For Your Eyes Only: Behind the Scene of the James Bond Films" by David Giammarco that had AVTAK done monster business maybe Cubby would have asked Moore back, but everyone felt it was clearly time to move on. (That's almost a direct quote.)

Sorry to be difficult about this, but I feel a new Bond urban myth being created here and I want to nip it in the bud if it isn't true. I need better than, "I read it somewhere." Where? A book about James Bond, or an English tabloid? The source matters here.

Now, it's possible that in Moore's official retirement statement it says something to the effect of, "Cubby asked me to come back, but I felt it was time to move on"... but, come on, we know that's just polite spin (and nothing like that appears in any of the retirement clippings I have).

And as far as reconsidering Moore when the Pierce deal fell through...I would almost guarantee this was media speculation.

Maybe I'll ask John Cork about this.

[Double-Oh-Zero]

Moore returning for TLD? Oh, Lordie. He barely made it through AVTAK, and if he was in TLD, I honestly think it would have tanked and possibly ended the series, much like LTK. I don't believe it, either. Still, to keep on the topic, Sam Neill was considered, and even screen tested (I think), but dropped in favour of Timothy.

[zencat]

Okay, on the "Did Cubby ask Moore to do TLD" question, this is the best evidence I can give against it. On page 214 of "James Bond: The Legacy" by John Cork and Bruce Scivally, highlighted in big bold type is this passage:

In December 1985, Cubby Broccoli called Moore to his Los Angeles home and told the actor that it was time to make a change. Moore, said Broccoli, took the news well, saying, "I agree Cubby. I think it's time."

This same info appears in Cubby Broccoli's own autobiography, "When the Snow Melts." No book I

[marktmurphy]

There's an interview with John Glen from around the release of Octopussy where he says (as I remember) he thinks Roger is good for another 3 or 4 films. Makes me laugh, anyway.

[goldengun]

IT's interesting you bring out John Glen - by Octopussy - John has worked with Roger on a number of Bond films - so it's good to continue with someone who is bankable.

But John Glen in an interview said that he had friction working with Dalton for TLD, as Dalton wanted to play Bond by having his hands in his pockets, shrugging his way through the movies. Bond does not shrug.

I think that after LTK, Dalton did not want to work with John GLen, and the Bond producers went to another director for GE.

Anyways - Moore so far is the only actor who left the series on his own terms - amicably. Good for him.

[BONDFINESSE 007]

and roger knew when it was time to "get off the bus" and a view to a kill showed him it was time to get off the bus

[MovieManOO7]

While there is no doubt in my mind that Moore's threat to discontinue the series after MR was simply to up his salary, his return for OP was due to the simple fact that is called NSNA. Even though other actors may have been considered for OP, Moore had to come back if the series had any hope of beating Sean Connery's return!

True it would have been better if Moore left while he was on an "all time high" with OP, but his return in AVTAK was more of an affirmation that not even competitors like McClory could ever beat the true series. If Moore had left directly after the NSNA/OP feud, then it might have been misinterpreted (despite the film's grosses) that Moore shied out of the series due to Connery

[Dr Noah]

I think Roger had tired of the role by the time he did Moonraker and tired of the endless press conferences he had to attend. Plus he felt he was getting a bit old for the part.

It's a pity that The Living Daylights wasn't made in place of A View To A Kill, it would have been much more entertaining and would have provided a decent swan song.

[goldengun]

Hmmmm....interesting comment for the number of interviews he did for the movies. But doesnt' Roger hold the record for the most interviews done by an actor for a film's release?

He did over 350 interviews for the Octopussy movie. I believe it is mentioned in the DVD insert for the Pussy film. I will double-check on that.

[WC]

Wasn't there a rumour that Roger Moore was considered for Goldeneye, and then later for TWINE?

[kevrichardson]

Originally posted by David Somerset
I think they did seriously consider getting Roger to do TLD whilst waiting for Pierces Remington Steele contract to run out. I can remember reading and hearing this in the media in between Pierce being announced as Bond and before Tim was announced as Bond. How much actual truth there is to it I dont know. Maybe just all media speculation at the time

Yet the puzzle ,is the script to TLD was writen with Roger Moore in mind and had to be altered once Dalton came on board. Which would leave one to beleave that Brosnan Bond was to be similar to Moore's . Had the Remington Steele issue not been around . Once announced Bond , the shift to Dalton as the most dangerous Bond of all began .

[Simon]

Yeah, I think this thread is running around somewhere else - Moore stepped down and even the media understood that this time, Moore meant it and that further negotiations and card dealing were not expected.

The only connection is that the TLD script, in absence of there being another actor with a known style to tailor to, was written in the Moore mould - see bike chases and flying carpets - and that is where it ends.

[zencat]

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[kevrichardson]

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[Dr Noah]

"Once announced Bond , the shift to Dalton as the most dangerous Bond of all began "

Dalton, dangerous? now if you wrote "the most uncomfortable-looking Bond" you would be dead right

Every time I watch him as Bond I get the odd feeling that he looks as if he'd rather be somewhere else. Anyone else get that impression?

[kevrichardson]

Originally posted by Dr Noah
"Once announced Bond , the shift to Dalton as the most dangerous Bond of all began "

Dalton, dangerous? now if you wrote "the most uncomfortable-looking Bond" you would be dead right

Every time I watch him as Bond  I get the odd feeling that he looks as if he'd rather be somewhere else.  Anyone else get that impression?

well again , i guess you got me to laugh. Yes Dalton looked uncomfortable , certainly in evening dress (i.e. the Bond tux) . But that was the spin that the producers used in 1986-89. " the most dangerous Bond ever" may be the reason he was danger was he need a laxiative . Once he became Bond , i guess his dreams of playing Hamlet when out the window also.

[Jriv71]

Originally posted by zencat
Early on they even did a treatment of TLD that featured James Bond fresh out of the Royal Navy and on his first assignment for MI6. Wilson really liked it as a way to introduce the new Bond, but Cubby nixed the idea.

Did you ever get all pumped up, and completely shot down, all at once??? This 'Bond-year one" thing would have really been great. I wish I didn't know that they thought about it, then nixed it.

[Thunderball8]

That's like asking EON to see if they can finally make "CASINO ROYALE"....

[ChandlerBing]

Bond Year One could be a great series. Someone needs to do it. Novels, whatever. It worked great wonders for Batman. Without sounding morbid, you could get into his first kills, alluded to in Casino Royale, his sexual escapades in Paris, and his first exploding helicopter.

[Jriv71]

Yes.

[4 Ur Eyez Only]

did anyone see the test screening in the special edition of octopussy with james brolin

[kevrichardson]

Originally posted by ChandlerBing
Bond Year One could be a great series.  Someone needs to do it.  Novels, whatever.  It worked great wonders for Batman.  Without sounding morbid, you could get into his first kills, alluded to in Casino Royale, his sexual escapades in Paris, and his first exploding helicopter.

This Bond year one BS . Sound's like Batman year one , it works better for comic book BS than for James Bond. This is what happens when "talented and creative" screenwriters are forbidden to work in the movie industry. If you don't believe me look at the "Last" Austin Powers films . How about the origin of Blofeld and his first "pussycat".

[Jriv71]

Let's not even discuss Austin Powers BS, OK? Be for real.

[kevrichardson]

Originally posted by Jriv71
Let's not even discuss Austin Powers BS, OK?  Be for real.

Well you guys want a Bond year one series. for a film. So the most recent example is "Austin Powers" . Yes i feel that most Bond fans secretly enjoy the films . I found the first very funny. Loved the in jokes on Bond.

[Jriv71]

I guess never having watched more than ten seconds of an Austin Powers film, I have no idea where the connection to a Bond Year One thing would be. Please tell me, where's the connection?
From the very little I've seen, it appears that the entire thing is, not merely a spoof, but an insult to Bond. Even if Michael Myers says he is a Bond fan (which I don't know if he has,) the whole thing is insulting to me. The clips I've seen, and keep in mind, in trailers and such they only show the "funniest" bits, have been stupid, (my opinion only) and more than a little insulting to a Bond fan.
I see the series as, not only a lampoon of the Bond films, but indirectly a shot a those of us who maybe take the Bond character a little too seriously, the Bond fans.
Oh, hollowed-out-volcanoes and midget-henchmen, oooh, ha-ha-ha-ha!!! I get it now.

[kevrichardson]

Originally posted by Jriv71
The clips I've seen, and keep in mind, in trailers and such they only show the "funniest" bits, have been stupid, (my opinion only) and more than a little insulting to a Bond fan.
I see the series as, not only a lampoon of the Bond films, but indirectly a shot a those of us who maybe take the Bond character a little too seriously, the Bond fans.
Oh, hollowed-out-volcanoes and midget-henchmen, oooh, ha-ha-ha-ha!!!  I get it now.

Any child can see the "spoof" of Bond in Austin Powers . Look i found the first one funny . It was not great film making still , it can out as Bond was becoming in vogue again . It's is no more of a total rip-off of Bond than "True Lies" was. It's a non-thinking man's "Monty Python", without the "Intellectual humor". Marxs brothers stuff. In so far as the idea of "Bond Year One". Remember :Young Indiana Jones" the TV series. The you will understand my point.