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[Jim]

Originally posted by Sir James

Its funny how this post has to come right out and slam DAD directly. It shows something odd, are the "serious" Bond fans so aware of the mass appeal of DAD that they are afraid of what that bring? Perhaps Bond fans have begun to realize that this is the better way, and the way that future Bonds will look like, and they are afraid. Otherwise, why come right out and attack DAD?

And there I was thinking it was the producers' fault for producing something that wouldn't pass muster as a school nativity play, or the writers' fault for throttling an initially interesting premise beyond redemption, or the actors' fault for universally shoddy and inept performances...and all along it was my fault. I see now.

Well you know what that means. I need to be punished

(Slams head against keyboard)

Don't do it again Jim! You've been a very naughty boy!

(Continued headslamming)

NB - with my brain numbed, I feel curiously better disposed to the graceless farrago. odd, that.

[Xenobia]

Ah finally! The secret to getting Jim to like Die Another Day!

*Xenobia goes out and buys a large mallet*

I wonder how many whacks it would take to make you like Grey Owl?

-- Xenobia

[Harmsway]

Well, all the DAD haters have come out for a good show. But about the title topic - I think TLD will never be considered classic. It's too low-key for the non-Bond fan population. DAD can be remembered. It's huge. That's why Moonraker is so easily remembered and most non-Bond fans couldn't even remember For Your Eyes Only. I think TLD was superior to DAD in many ways, but I think DAD's going to be remembered more.

[zencat]

If TLD was going to become a "classic" I think it would have achieved that status already. In a way, I think the inferior LTK is the Dalton film that's bettered remembered. I like TLD, but I think it's close to being all but forgotten by those outside fandom.

As far as DAD goes...time will tell. But I

[Jim]

Originally posted by Xenobia
Ah finally!  The secret to getting Jim to like Die Another Day!

*Xenobia goes out and buys a large mallet*

I wonder how many whacks it would take to make you like Grey Owl?

-- Xenobia

Lobotomy

Wouldn't it be a bitter irony that no matter how hard they try, they still can't put Mr Brosnan in as cohesive a Bond film as The Living Daylights?

Ah, cruel twists of fate. And signing contracts.

[Jriv71]

Ahhhh, The Living Daylights......

[Not Jim]

I CAN'T be the only one who wishes that Jim were a Star Wars fan or something, and was gracing other sites with his presence, with witticisms such as, "I say old chap, I rather think that C3PO's a bit of a Poof! Fancy that...", instead of this one.
(Slits wrists......)

[B5Erik2]

DAD will be remembered as the DAF/Moonraker for the video game generation.

TLD will be remembered as the FRWL of the 80's.

And the only people whose opinions count anyway are the Bond fans, because we're the ones who buy the DVDs, the books, and all the other Bond merchandise.

[Jriv71]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by B5Erik2
[B]DAD will be remembered as the DAF/Moonraker for the video game generation.


I hope nobody remembers DAD they way I remember DAF!

[Jriv71]

Originally posted by B5Erik2


TLD will be remembered as the FRWL of the 80's.


And the only people whose opinions count anyway are the Bond fans, because we're the ones who buy the DVDs, the books, and all the other Bond merchandise.

Damn right!
I did like DAD, though...

[ChandlerBing]

The Living Daylights and Die Another Day have one thing in common....a really ****ty theme song. Other than that, owing to people not having a clue as to who the hell Dalton was as Bond, your opinions of his Bond movies being in the league as Connery's best are just a pipedream.

"Dalton...Oh my God...he's that guy who was in RoadHouse!"
Anonymous response when asked if they knew who Timothy Dalton was.

[DanMan]

The Living Daylights and Die Another Day are both great movies. Why the hell is this thread still going, some people like Die Another Day, some don't. Some people like The Living Daylights, some don't. So stop bashing DAD because just cause you dont like it, doesnt mean no one likes it. So on behalf of my fellow DAD-Lovers, SHUTUP

[zencat]

Amen, DanMan.

I think it's a viable question whether or not TLD will one day be considered a classic (I say no), but why must this question come with a dig at DAD? It just makes the thread argumentative and a turn off (and a bit childish). I say put your feelings about DAD in one thread, and the question of "classic" status of TLD in another. There

[DanMan]

It just sickens me that the DAD-haters dont seem to acknowledge that ALOT of people love DAD. God forbid we insult a Dalton film though...

[MovieManOO7]

For me it's no question which is the better film - far and away TLD (#3) on my list vs. DAD (#17). However, it is very unfortunate that TLD is also one of the least popular Bond films outside of the fan arena (in fact both of Dalton's films are - LTK to a slighlty lesser degree though). As a matter of fact, the films that most fans point out as some of the best (OHMSS; FYEO; and FRWL [this one to a certain point]) are the least popular. DAD is newer, bigger, louder, and more outrageous making it a Bond film that will be remembered (like GE; TSWLM; MR; GF; and OP [the latter just for its title alone!]).

While I wouldn't call DAD a "classic," it is most likely to be remembered more than TLD (and that's an utter shame - especially now when the television stations, at least here in the U.S., are avoiding showings of TLD due to having Bond in Afganistan. During the Christmas season, every Bond film was played on various channels except TLD).

[freemo]

It just sickens me that the DAD-haters dont seem to acknowledge that ALOT of people love DAD. God forbid we insult a Dalton film though...

Sigh, I like DAD and I like Broz, but I always find myself defending the "DAD-haters" and "Broz-haters" because they get such a jolly hard time of it. Oh, the i justice of it all. Some "DAD-lovers" and "Broz-lovers" seem completely closed to the fact that some people may have legitimate reasons for not loving all things DAD or Broz.

[max kalba]

Neither are classics, and neither will be remembered going forward.

Having said that, I much prefer TLD, though that is not saying much since DAD was utterly atrocious. However, note this - I havent seen TLD for a few years, but can still remember the basic plot and a few of the notable scenes.

I saw DAD just a couple of months ago and can remember little about it - korea-diamonds-dna-some satellite thing that comes out of nowhere, car-chase on ice (done already in TLD of course), ice temple, explosions, some *really bad* special FX, yawn, is that the end? thank christ for that...

No - neither will make it to the hall of fame - but TLD is ten times better than DAD.

[ChandlerBing]

The Living Daylights was a James Bond movie? Okay. If you say so.

[White Tuxedo]

Originally posted by SeanValen00V
everyone can because the film after 75 mins could of been written by college student in class.[/B]

Hey, I'm a college student. I actually study this kinda stuff, and yes a lot students are bad writers. Being more of an actor, I'm a damn good writer. Sorry, I just get a defensive when bunched with no-talents.

[Jim]

Originally posted by Not Jim
I CAN'T be the only one who wishes that Jim were a Star Wars fan or something, and was gracing other sites with his presence, with witticisms such as, "I say old chap, I rather think that C3PO's a bit of a Poof!  Fancy that...", instead of this one.
(Slits wrists......)

Slit away, no-one's going to miss you. Die a lonely pathetic death.

Well worth joining for that one post

I claim no cult, I claim no following, but frankly I stand here solely as me, as J.I.M. Stewart, this is all I ever joined as and this is all I will ever be and you've had no-one agreeing with you and given what you crammed onto the keyboard here to an expectant world, I rather suspect you're one of our fellow multiple members too yellow, too unutterably pathetic to name yourself, to stand by these almost words and show us the courage of your own convictions.

Who are you? I have my suspicions. But who gives a damn? This is frivolous opinion about a frivolous thing. What privilege you have to hide behind another name.

Coward.

[Dr. Tynan]

I think I know who it is Jim.

[Loomis]

I was about to jump in and say "don't be silly, how can anyone possibly know who "Not Jim" is?" And then, as they say, it hit me. I think I've cracked it, too. *Loomis doffs deerstalker and lights up pipe with a grunt of satisfaction*

[marktmurphy]

Give us a clue.

[Coop]

>>If TLD was going to become a "classic" I think it would have achieved that status already.<<

Ah, but in the Coop universe it IS a classic, alongside LTK.

As for DAD: not a classic, but a lot of good scenes and it's an amusing way to spend two hours. Brosnan should go though. He gets more and more wooden with each film.

[Loomis]

Originally posted by Coop

>>If TLD was going to become a "classic" I think it would have achieved that status already.<<

Ah, but in the Coop universe it IS a classic, alongside LTK.  

Tell it, Coop. THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS and LICENCE TO KILL are classics in the Loomis universe, too.

Was watching TLD the other night. Damn thing just keeps on getting better and better.:cool:

[ChandlerBing]

To each their own.
Some people think Jerry Lewis films are classic, too, while others want to dump him on France and call it even.

[Coop]

>>Was watching TLD the other night. Damn thing just keeps on getting better and better.<<

And I watched Licence To Kill on DVD for the second time this year and loved every minute of it. I'm currently in the process of re-reading all of Fleming's twelve novels- one a month- and it's made me realise just how close Dalton is to Fleming's Bond. Which probably explains the lack of affection in which he is held by the popcorn munchers of the world. The closer Eon get to Fleming's world, the lower the box office takings.

[ChandlerBing]

I's funny, when I read Fleming, I think of Connery, Lazenby, and Brosnan. I don't think of the other guys. Again, to each their own.

[Daltonitus]

I see 'the man in my head' when I read the novels.

No actor IS Bond, but some come closer than others...

[Jriv71]

I see Dalton, occasionally Connery or Pierce, but, Yeah, it's Dalton.