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[Carver]

Heh heh, this is probably getting entertaining, as you said Loomis, for other members, our public slanging match, lol. Well, I'm sorry if I offended you with my post, it was kind of meant to be at the time, and it was late when I wrote it, and I do get hot-headed at time I do, sorry. Don't worry, none of your posts offended me, you weren't being too defensive and you weren't being offending in any way. Don't, by any means, take it easy on your posting and leave the site for a while, as there is no reason for you to leave, you are quite welcome here, and this kind of thing happened with Bondpurist, I gave him a hard time and he went, then came back, then went again, i guess its my guilty concience. But, its your choice, if you genuinly want to leave purely becuase of the reason you stated, then you can do. When you do enter the hallowed 4DC, you should celebrate, it is an important milestone and worth celebrating (plus its an excuse to get drunk;)). Once again though, its your choice, and if you don't want to, its ok. Although, if we do disagree on something in the future, thenlets leave it down to a friendly debate, say, if you like TMWTGG and I don't, we don't have to come to cyberspace blows over it;). Once again, sorry for making your Christmas hell, and I hope you have a Happy New year, and it continues into next year. Once again, my apologies, and I hope its all cleared now,

Carver

(BTW, I'm thinking you and I should start up a pro-Bondpurist club Loomis, what do you think?

[bribond]

I'm all about LTK, it's long been one of my favorite Bonds. Every time it's on I'm hooked to the end and I was seriously bothered when I bought the DVD and there was no new interview footage with the man Timothy Dalton. He's my favorite Bond and this was just a killer performance. Last night I was watching the casino scene and the way he so confidently stares down the blackjack dealer at one point after Pam does her giggle is another great moment I never noticed before. The film takes all kinds of chances and I usually embrace it when the Bond films do that. Robert Davi is one of the best villains (and one of the most overlooked when magazines do all that Best Bond stuff), Carey Lowell is terrific, I like the latin locale (anyone notice that Bond's scenes as a rogue agent in DAD have him in Cuba and Bond spends most of LTK in Isthmus--what's the connection?), the truck scene at the end is one of the best sequences and all the individual scenes really give the characters a depth they often did not have before. A complete triumph, a shame more people did not watch or appreciate it.

[Carver]

The only downsides I have about LTK is that it has so much unecesary swearing, the violence is ok, what we should see in a Bond film, but the swearing is stupid. The characters, are original, two of my all-time favourites are Sanchez and Truman Lodge:D. Lupe Lamora has to be ne of the sexiest women, and Pam Buovier has the best legs of any Bond girl:p. Dalton's performance is 5 star here, a truely great performance from a truely great actor (did I really say that?:eek:).
(BTW, someone rated this topic 5-star, either from the pure brilliance of LTK, or Loomis' and my public slanging match)

[Loomis]

Ha! A Pro-Bondpurist Club, excellent idea! I'm in!

Relax, Carver, you most certainly didn't make my Christmas hell (if anything, our little set-to provided some comic relief), although British network television most certainly did (THUNDERBALL as ITV1's big Christmas afternoon movie, I ask you).

No, I'm not leaving CBn, but I might (I write "might" because I don't want to commit myself to exile) take the odd Bondpurist-style break here and there. I fear that it will be a long, long while before we have a DIE ANOTHER DAY-style "golden age" of Bond-related info to chew over. That said, it seems that there is always much to discuss....

Okay, back to business. I have to take issue with: "The only downsides I have about LTK is that it has so much unecesary swearing ... the swearing is stupid."

As I wrote earlier in this thread ("Now pay attention, 007!";)): "I don't remember any "excessive swearing" in LTK, though. I think Carey Lowell says "s--t" at one point, but that's it (swearing is rare in the Bond series, I admit, but then Mrs Bleeker mouthed "HOLY s--t" way back in 1973!)."

But, by God, man, you hit the nail smack dab on the head when you wrote: "Lupe Lamora has to be one of the sexiest women, and Pam Buovier has the best legs of any Bond girl". *Loomis moves to insert LTK into his DVD drive, remembering the real reason why he likes the film so much.*

[General Koskov]

May I be the first to ask for a position in the Pro-LTK-ers Club? (I'll figure out what I want in a while.)

'President! Vice-President!...*groan*'

PS. Would it be appropriate to rename the club 'Pro-Licence Revoked Club' in honour of the orginal (better) title? Just a thought.

[Carver]

Originally posted by Loomis
But, by God, man, you hit the nail smack dab on the head when you wrote: "Lupe Lamora has to be one of the sexiest women, and Pam Buovier has the best legs of any Bond girl". *Loomis moves to insert LTK into his DVD drive, remembering the real reason why he likes the film so much.*

Heh heh heh, thats the main reason I like LTK, those legs, oh yeah....... I'll also agree with the General here about the title, Licence Revoked would have made a slightly (ever so slightly) better title, not that it had more zest and enthusiasm, but it was a more inspired choice from Licenec To Kill. LTK seemed to be a title change at the very last minute, just because it had been mentioned more in the Bond series, but Licence Revoked was more of a refernce to the film, as Bond didn't actually have a Licenec To Kill in the film, it was revoked, so thats why Licenec Revoked would have made a better title. BTW, on the ''other'' topic we have here, the comic relief (as Loomis put it:)), if Loomis does have a leave of absense, then I would like him to know that I wil not be celebrating it, and when he comes back, I will not do what I did with Bondpurist, and have another go at him, that was just plain stupid and childish, thats not me any more. I hope that its not my actions which force Loomis to take a holiday, and if it is, I again sincerely apologise, and I hope he doesn't stay away for long:).
Oh, another thing I forgot (this is me editing) Loomis was right, there was no ''excessive'' swearing in LTK, just the odd swear word, but the odd one was unecessary. Pam's bull**** was pretty lame, and shouldn't have made it into the final cut. Although, I thought that Dalton's ''p1ss off'' and ''switch the bloody machine off!'' were good, as the first one was spoken in such a way that Bond had been beaten up, knocked out and tied up, and he wasn't having any of it, thats why he said it. The second bit of his language, ''switch the bloody machine off'' was a typic Bond thing to say, sounded like it came straight from a Fleming book. Bond was hanging on for his life there, and Pam waiting around was doing no good, so he deceided to tell her once and for all, switch the thing off. Thats all I have to say on the swearing matter:)

[1q2w3e4r]

I reckon it should be called the Licence to Kill faction. Or the Licence Revoked. Or something like, but Bondpurist has gotta get a big title!

[Loomis]

*Loomis wakes smiling from a very pleasant dream involving Carey Lowell's legs.*

Heartening to see so many pro-LTK-ers declare their enthusiasm. I'd thought that CBners on the whole considered it very much the black sheep of the Bond movie family.

Re: my mooted "leave of absence", as I have stated, it has nothing to do with any perceived hostility from other members. It's just that, what with one thing and another (including increased work commitments in the New Year and possibly quite a bit of travelling with my job), it's possible - not certain, but possible - that I won't be posting quite as frequently as I have been doing lately. So if I have any long absences from this site, it certainly won't mean that I feel unwelcome or harbour grudges.

After all, no one really leaves the service (at least I don't think so; anyone know of any longtime CBn contributors who have just "disappeared"?). "We're not a country club, 007!"

Actually, Carver: "Oh, another thing I forgot (this is me editing) Loomis was right, there was no ''excessive'' swearing in LTK, just the odd swear word, but the odd one was unecessary." You know what, you're right.

I'm not a prude by any means, but one reason I love the Bond series is that it has always maintained a classiness setting it above other action/adventure franchises. I'd hate it if frequent uses of the word "s--t" started creeping into the series simply because filmmakers can now get away with so much more profanity than in days gone by. You could put more swearing into a modern Bond film and still keep within the bounds of a UK 12 certificate (or 12A or whatever they're calling it this month). (I think the British Board of Film Classification has posted its guidelines on its website, explaining what is and isn't acceptable among the various ratings.) I'm pretty sure that LTK could have included the "f" word a couple of times and carried the same 15 certificate.

It's good that the people who make the Bond films don't really exercise their (albeit limited) licence to swear, and it would be a shame if they decided to do so. Swearing in Bond films would lower the tone and it would seem that the filmmakers were pandering clumsily to what they thought teen audiences wanted (which is a criticism some of us have of DIE ANOTHER DAY quips like "Yo mama!" and "Read this... BITCH!"). I enjoy many movies and TV shows peppered with four-letter words (the DIE HARDs, Tarantino, "The Sopranos"), but I don't think swearing belongs in the screen world of Bond. The day the "f" word is said in a Bond film will be a rather disappointing one for many fans.

[Carver]

Originally posted by Loomis
I'm not a prude by any means, but one reason I love the Bond series is that it has always maintained a classiness setting it above other action/adventure franchises. I'd hate it if frequent uses of the word "s--
It's good that the people who make the Bond films don't really exercise their (albeit limited) licence to swear, and it would be a shame if they decided to do so. Swearing in Bond films would lower the tone and it would seem that the filmmakers were pandering clumsily to what they thought teen audiences wanted (which is a criticism some of us have of DIE ANOTHER DAY quips like "Yo mama!" and "Read this... BITCH!"). I enjoy many movies and TV shows peppered with four-letter words (the DIE HARDs, Tarantino, "The Sopranos"), but I don't think swearing belongs in the screen world of Bond. The day the "f" word is said in a Bond film will be a rather disappointing one for many fans.

As you said to me Loomis, and I'm saying to you, you've hit the nail on the head there old boy. LTK did have some swearing we could relate to, such as Bond's p1ss off, he was generally annoyed there and in AVTAK, **** was there a few time, but that was necessary, they were times when you would say a curse like that. But when the 'f' word comes, thats it, Bond films will no longer be the same. I whole-heartedly agree with you Loomis, Bond films have always been about class, and mantained their knack of not swearing, even when films such as Lock Stock and Snatch came out. Much as I love films with over-the-top violence and swearing, Bond film are not for things like that. They are what they always have been, against swearing. As you said LTK has always been the ''black sheep'' but why? Yes, its the only 15 rated film of the series, but its a classic example of a Fleming Bond film, like straight from the books. My vote for black sheep (if any) would go to TMWTGG for being like a slapstick comedy:rolleyes:

[B5Erik2]

Uh, is this the Loomis & Carver thread?

LTK

If you like LTK, by the way, check out my thread on "The Best Spy Series Ever," which is in the "Spoofs & Spy Genre" forum. It is definitely NOT a spoof, however, it is a great part of the Spy Genre...

LTK is a great thriller, which is what the best Bond films are - some of them have larger than life action, but the heart of each of those movies is a thriller.

It's funny, but for a supposed "flop" LTK sure has a lot of die hard supporters....

[brendan007]

my main problem with licence to kill is that the whole thing feels like tv (im not saying miami vice, ive never seen that show). there is nothing special that screams "i am a bond movie". even if the movie is taking itself seriously, a bond movie should still scream 'spectacle'. ive seen more spectacle on television than in ltk.

[SeanValen00V]

Originally posted by B5Erik2
Uh, is this the Loomis & Carver thread?  

LTK

If you like LTK, by the way, check out my thread on "The Best Spy Series Ever," which is in the "Spoofs & Spy Genre" forum.  It is definitely NOT a spoof, however, it is a great part of the Spy Genre...

LTK is a great thriller, which is what the best Bond films are - some of them have larger than life action, but the heart of each of those movies is a thriller.  

It's funny, but for a supposed "flop" LTK sure has a lot of die hard supporters....

LTK did well and was profitable, lagged behind in summer 89 with the biggest of films, still came out in double figures of millions, it did well despite poor marketing as well. Was number one in the UK for 6 weeks. But I know what you mean, whatever the reasons, US gross is something of a respectable place to get money from, but LTK was still a hit and you see why a Bond film has not been released in the summer since 89, only fall now, so too many people think box office is what people judge popuality on, not true always, because LTK gets more reconigition from people, as a film that continues to date greatly, there'a reason to that its simply a great well made Bond film with a awsome performance from Dalton capturing the spirit of Ian Flemming as he wanted. And yes it's unigue of Bond films, and has die hard fans, it was profitable for MGM, they just had too many problems of their own, and needed a even bigger hit, but not LTK's fault. I'm glad they push the boundaries, making Licence to Kill the dearest adventure for Bond since Dr No as pointed out by Patrick Macnee commentating on LTK documentry on dvd.

[Loomis]

Originally posted by Carver
As you said LTK has always been the ''black sheep'' but why? Yes, its the only 15 rated film of the series, but its a classic example of a Fleming Bond film, like straight from the books. My vote for black sheep (if any) would go to TMWTGG for being like a slapstick comedy:rolleyes:

Good question, Carver. Why do I call LICENCE TO KILL the black sheep of the Bond movie family?

It's hardly the only film that stands apart from other entries in the series. There's also ON HER MAJESTY'S SECRET SERVICE, MOONRAKER (commonly seen as the most cartoonish - many have used the word "juvenile" - of the Bonds) and, as you point out, THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN.

Neither is LTK the only Bond film regarded as having performed below box office expectations. The same can be said of OHMSS and TMWTGG.

I don't wish to debate the issue of whether LTK was a flop. Some say it tanked, while others insist it was a solid hit, showing a profit and doing well on video and television. I suspect that the latter view is correct; nonetheless, history has recorded LTK as a commercial disaster that nearly ended the Bond franchise. Other Bond films may also be seen to have done badly, but not THAT badly.

Regardless of whether or not LTK really did come close to doing what the likes of SPECTRE had been trying to do for decades, i.e. finishing off James Bond, it is unarguable that it is PERCEIVED to have done so.

As you state, Carver, it is also the only 15-certificate Bond film. This makes it the only one that would not be considered appropriate family fun after the Queen's speech on Christmas Day. It may or may not be the darkest and most violent outing for 007 - there is plenty of brutality elsewhere in the series, and DR. NO was certainly very strong stuff indeed for 1962 - but, again, this is the widely-held perception.

I believe that LTK's critical reputation will rise dramatically in years to come, indeed that it will attain a sort of cult success. A few reasons:

- It is seen as a box office disaster and glaring exception to the rule in cinema's most commercially successful series (cult movies are rarely blockbusters).

- It is viewed as notably darker and more violent than all other Bond films, which tend to be seen as fun family fare.

- Apart from the increase in violent content, it is often very different in look and feel to its predecessors (including THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS). Watch LTK alongside OCTOPUSSY and A VIEW TO A KILL, and it's hard to believe that all three films are part of the same series. (Of course, you could say the same about, say, FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE, if you compared it to late-period Moore burlesque, but LTK goes further than any other Bond movie in stripping 007 of his invincibility, his semi-superhero status. The Bond of LTK seems to bear almost no relation to the character as portrayed in any other film.)

- Various cuts of the film are said to exist (cult movies have often been circulated in several different versions, with fans obviously campaigning for full-length edits, see also BLADE RUNNER, THE WICKER MAN....).

- Rightly or wrongly, it is also said frequently that LTK contains the single most faithful screen interpretation of Ian Fleming's James Bond.

BTW, there was a really great thread on LTK a while back: http://forums.comman...p?threadid=3570

[jim74454]

I love LTK.

[Carver]

Again Loomis, you made some good points there, well done:). I find it surprising that people think LTK was a box-office flop. It sounds like they are desperatly trying to find reasons to downgrade it, but, from what I hear, LTK was quite successful at the box-office, no worse than its previous 5 predecessors. People may have found it too hard to handle becuase the last serious film was probably OHMSS way back in 1969. Yes, TLD came just before LTK, and that was hard, but LTK was just that bit harder, and after the light hearted Moore era, audiences must have been shocked to see Bond return to who he is: a dark, dangerous, violent, one-man killing machine. I think that Dalton's darker portrayal of Bond was just what audiences needed, after the Moore years. No offense to Moore fans (I'm one too), but the series was sort of turning into a comedy after OP and AVTAK, if they had kept the Moore films in the moulds of TSWLM and FYEO, then they would have been ok. That is why Dalton's portrayal of Bond was a relief from our funny Rog, as Dalton was returning to the roots, and what Fleming's books, showed he was, a dark man.

[brendan007]

Originally posted by Carver
No offense to Moore fans (I'm one too), but the series was sort of turning into a comedy after OP and AVTAK, if they had kept the Moore films in the moulds of TSWLM and FYEO, then they would have been ok. That is why Dalton's portrayal of Bond was a relief from our funny Rog, as Dalton was returning to the roots, and what Fleming's books, showed he was, a dark man.

i actually disagree totally with that statement. OP and AVTAK are quite serious films, but they are lightened by silly things like tarzan yells and beach boys music. they are far from comedies. daltons potrayal wasnt necessarily a reflief, more of an overeaction to the percieved comedy area of moore.
sometimes (i do it too) fans jump to conclusions about the bond films based on popular opinion- goldfinger is the best, moore was too jokey ect. but going back and watching the later moore films, they arent the jokefest idiotic entertainment that they are often labelled as.

[B5Erik2]

Isn't it interesting that the best parts of DAD resemble LTK? Bond as a "rogue" agent. A dark, hard, and serious thriller. Almost everyone likes (or loves) the parts of DAD that are like LTK in style.

[General Koskov]

Good point, Erik; not to mention these are partially taken from Fleming's TMWTGG.

But back to the Pro-LTK/LR Club, I wish to nominate myself as El Presidente of the Pro-Licence Revoked Club. And perhaps we could name the club after Professor Joe's meditation centre (sorry, forgot the name)?

[Carver]

Originally posted by brendan007


i actually disagree totally with that statement. OP and AVTAK are quite serious films, but they are lightened by silly things like tarzan yells and beach boys music. they are far from comedies. daltons potrayal wasnt necessarily a reflief, more of an overeaction to the percieved comedy area of moore.
sometimes (i do it too) fans jump to conclusions about the bond films based on popular opinion- goldfinger is the best, moore was too jokey ect. but going back and watching the later moore films, they arent the jokefest idiotic entertainment that they are often labelled as.

hey, don't get me wrong Brendan, I didn't mean any offense to Moore fans there (I'm one, so I couldn't be offensive) but I do kinda dislike TMWTGG and MR. They were overly comic and non-Bond respectively but all Bond's others were good. I liked LALD (mostly because of Jane Seymour;)) and TSWLM is one of my all-time favourites. FYEO is excellent, OP is god apart from those points you mentioned: tarzan yell etc, but it is a good film. AVTAK is also in my high opinions, as I have stated in the ''I think I'm AVTAK's only fan'' thread. I quite like the Beach Boys music to bo honest actually (I'll get killed for that). Even though Moore is and looks very old, the film is still amazing, thrilling and stunning, the theme tune is also one of my favs. So, I wasn't really insulting Moore films intentionally, I was just saying that Dalton was a very dark portrayal of Bond, and slight relief from films like TMWTGG and Mr. Sorry if I offended you:o

[brendan007]

its ok, it was my bad, i was in a real ****ty mood that day. you didnt offend me

[Carver]

Originally posted by brendan007
its ok, it was my bad, i was in a real ****ty mood that day. you didnt offend me

Nah, its ok Brendan, I usually get on the wrong side of people. I don't mind if you were in a mood that day, I usually, but I probably did say something wrong, I usually do....

[Glen Barrington]

Hope you guys are still taking applications!! LOL!

I'm in. LTK is REAL DEAL Bond at it's rawest and most potent.

And as many times as I have seen it, I never looked at the film as having any "Miami Vice" connetion, real or implied.

[Martini]

I miss in LTK almost totally the sense for fantasy that I find in every Fleming-novel. There is no villain based so muche on real persons like Sanchez in the novels. I too think Fleming wouldn

[B5Erik2]

Bond in LTK reminds me of Bond in the original Casino Royale novel - in fact, that's what Dalton and Davi based their performances on.

LTK is Fleming's Bond - updated for modern times.

[Raya]

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[iceberg]

The PRO-LTK-ers club? 'Bout damn time. Sign me up.

[Sir James]

B5Erik2

Iam glad there is another community out there to join my own and the DAD club. And it is absoultely non of my busniess as to how you admistrate it. However, to make your members agree to certain things, or have to concur with your thoughts on some issues is IMO wrong. A community such as this IMO needs to be something that invites in members who share similar views as yourself yes, but also they do look at somethings a little differently and they should still be allowed to express that.

For example, lets say I wanted to join your club, I liked LTK, and would take it over most Moore outings any day. But I dont consider it the best film in the series, I wont admit that the last 45 minutes of DAD were unFleming, and to be truthful, LTK is not even in my top ten. Yet, I still throughly enjoy the film, it has many strengths, and it deserves more recognition than it gets (that goes for Dalton too). So becuase of that though, I cant join, thats wrong IMO.

"Isn't it interesting that the best parts of DAD resemble LTK? Bond as a "rogue" agent. A dark, hard, and serious thriller. Almost everyone likes (or loves) the parts of DAD that are like LTK in style."

Well, I will say this much, the first half of DAD does take its cue from LTK, and it does benift greatly from it. But there is one difference about the first half of DAD that it alone makes it better than ALL of LTK, it has style.

LTK has no class and style, Bond becomes the typical American action hero of the times. He dumbs himself right down to the quality of Mel Gibson in Lethal Weapon, and Bruce Willis in Die Hard. The swearing, the unsophisticated atmosphere, the loss of a suave, smooth attitude for a mean, angry, and "comman man" 007 is not that enjoyable. DAD, does not have that. You see Bond take his work, and his world weary approach, passionately in both cases. But it shows a sign of intelligence that Bond can still have that buring hatred while walking into a 5 star hotel wearing nothing but pajamas and looking like a man from biblical times. He is also able to still enjoy the finer things, and still act like Bond. 007 is a deep, passionate, and very real human under his many layered tux. But he dons the tux becuase its many layers prevent that "weak" 007 from showing. The trick to a good Bond is to have him show you that tux while never taking it off. In other words, bringing you into the darkness of his inner real self, while still mantaining the suave, smooth, and charming 007 front. Dalton could just never get the hang of this, and neither does LTK, which is why the film suffers for it.

[B5Erik2]

Sir James, application denied.

You totally missed the INTELLIGENCE of the LTK script. Bond is NOT "Americanized." Bond destroys Sanchez' organization by getting Sanchez to suspect his own people of disloyalty. Bond doesn't have to kill off anyone in Sanchez' organization, Sanchez does it for him.

That is clever, that is intelligent, and that is pure BOND!

Bond gets Sanchez to trust him more than Sanchez trusts his own long time employees, and then uses that trust to bring him down.

That's NOT what Bruce Willis/John McClane does. That's not what Mel Gibson/Riggs does. They attack head on.

Bond is clever, he studies his enemy, and then gets the enemy to destroy himself.

Bond doesn't swear (except for the VERY mild, "Watch the birdie you bastard").

I think you totally missed the subtlety of LTK.

The others on this thread didn't - they got it. (And, in case you missed it, this whole "club" is poking fun at those who felt the need to start a "Pro-DAD" club, where criticism of the movie wasn't allowed.)

I appreciate the application, but due to your strong support of DAD and lack of support of LTK we will not be able to admit you to our club at this time.

Thanks for posting.

[iceberg]

Originally posted by Sir James
B5Erik2



LTK has no class and style, Bond becomes the typical American action hero of the times. He dumbs himself right down to the quality of Mel Gibson in Lethal Weapon, and Bruce Willis in Die Hard.  

As far as I can recall, I didn't see John McClane plant seeds of doubt within Hans Gruber's cheery little pack of terrorists, causing them to turn their guns on one another. No, our boy from the Big Apple is far too impatient for that sort of clever, manipulative-mindf***ing. Just blast 'em into the next life, thank you very much. That's the Hollywood way.

Nor did I see Martin Riggs weasel his way into the villain's lair, playing on his adversary's strengths and weaknesses while deftly using the poor, blind sack's girlfriend to his advantage, and yet still managing to keep her alive until the very end. No, see, if memory serves me right, our favorite loon with a badge named Marty banged his leading lady a couple of time, got her killed, and... what did he do to the bad guy again? Did he subtly drop hints that Mr. Baddie's own people may not be as loyal as he thinks? Did he threaten the poor sod's entire bubble of security with a few well-chosen verbal darts and whispered time bombs? No, he didn't. He blasted him into the next life, thank you very much. That's the Hollywood way.

Oh, and regarding alleged "swearing," I suppose BEST FEMALE SIDEKICK EVER Pam Bouvier saying, "Hell, I knew something was wrong" qualifies as sacrilege for certain people (Having been brought up with two sisters and a brother who could shame any sailor, I am not one of them), I still have to say that it's nowhere near as colorful as "I'm not the one who just got butt-ed on national television" or "No, ing ****, lady. Do I sound like I'm ordering a pizza?"

Both from DIE HARD, by the way. But then again, maybe there's an edition of LTK floating out there somewhere wherein James, Pam, Lupe, and Sanchez sit around a campfire on the beach and say all the four letter words imaginable.

I'm looking forward to it.

[B5Erik2]

Originally posted by Sir James

LTK has no class and style....  It shows a sign of intelligence (in DAD) that Bond can still have that buring hatred while walking into a 5 star hotel wearing nothing but pajamas and looking like a man from biblical times.

Hmmmmm...

That Hotel/Pajamas sequence kind of confidence/brashness reminds me of when Bond takes the money he STOLE from Sanchez to Sanchez' own bank in Isthmus City and deposits it into a new account right under Sanchez' nose. He just walks in, asks for the bank president, and makes the deposit of exactly the amount stolen from Sanchez.

That's a CLASSIC Bond moment, on par with ANYTHING from the series. And it's just one from a film with so much depth and subtext that you can still notice details for the first time on the 10th viewing of the movie.

But, hey, you don't have to like it.

We (the people on this thread) do - for dozens of reasons.