
Worst Bond movie ever??
#1
Posted 28 November 2002 - 01:03 AM
#2
Posted 28 November 2002 - 11:38 PM
#3
Posted 29 November 2002 - 12:21 AM
I now tend to feel that THE WORLD IS NOT ENOUGH may be the turkey to end all turkeys. Everything about it is wrong: it's joyless, dull, and seems about three times as long as A VIEW TO A KILL.
The tone veers wildly between so-called serious drama (actually hamfisted melodrama), unpleasantness (Elektra mutilates herself, albeit offscreen), and Moore-style "comedy" at its worst (the action moves to Scotland, so we have to have Q working on flamethrower bagpipes).
The title sequence is, as freemo once put it, "pure vomit". The cinematography would do no disgrace to a daytime soap opera, and the action sequences are rendered incomprehensible by slapdash editing.
The score is overbearing, and all of the performances are dull beyond belief. Brosnan's performance as Bond is possibly the least charismatic ever, and his delivery of lines is often painful. He seems even more bored and in-it-for-the-money than Connery did in YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE and DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER.
Worse, the actors play badly together. Everyone seems to be in a different film. And there's zero chemistry between Bond and his leading ladies, Elektra and Christmas Jones (and why is Denise Richards always slated for this movie? She doesn't ham it up mercilessly like Sophie Marceau).
Goldie gives us the lamest, least threatening henchman in the series' history. Quite how he landed the role is anyone's guess. "He puts his money where his mouth is." The humour's not up to much, either.
I used to think that TWINE had its good points, for example that Robert Carlyle gave a fine performance as Renard. Actually, he just plays a generic hood from Eastern Europe, and his performance is all in the skinhead-and-shabby-leather-jacket look and cigarettes.
The script insults the intelligence - yes, even by Bond movie standards - and even the gadgets look really, really stupid (especially naff: the jacket that blows up into what looks like a giant protective golfball).
Renard, feeling no pain, can hold a scorching hot rock in his hand. Fine, but why no burning, smoking flesh? He dies impaled by the blunt end of a rod travelling at not particularly high speed. A doctor for the British secret service is curiously allowed to be present while M, Bond and Tanner are discussing Renard and his plans, while----
Okay, I'm going to stop there. As we know, all Bond films have plot holes, goofs and unanswered questions, but we put up with them because, generally speaking, the Bonds are fantastic escapist entertainment.
Not TWINE. Michael Apted directs as though he secretly feels Bond is beneath him; in fact, it seems no one thought that the film needed to be fun to watch. It's the only Bond movie I would describe as pretentious. Compared to it, DIE ANOTHER DAY is a Grade A masterpiece of cinema.
At least the likes of MOONRAKER and A VIEW TO A KILL can be enjoyed as silly, tongue-in-cheek fun if one chooses to approach them as such. TWINE is just soulless, plodding drivel that pretends to be a much better film than it is, and is profoundly unentertaining.
#4
Posted 29 November 2002 - 01:53 AM
Not that anybody cares, but here's my assessment of the Brosnan Bonds:
1. GoldenEye - still untoppable in terms of modern Bonds.
2. Die Another Day - a great Bond film AND a great film in general.
3. Tomorrow Never Dies - over the top, but the action is top-notch until the third act.
4. TWINE - dead last.
#5
Posted 29 November 2002 - 05:01 AM
#6
Posted 29 November 2002 - 01:41 PM
A View to a Kill, its not as terrible as I thought it once was, but it still has a long way to go.
Ahh, my heart is stoppin j/k
#7
Posted 30 November 2002 - 04:50 AM
AVTAK is always an interseting one in these "worst" film discussions. I thought the first half (pre San Fransisco) was quite okay. Bond at Zorins stables and all that, not perfect but there was alot of parts to like about it. It's after they sink the Rolls and the film moves to SF that it becomes real routine, pretty dull, and loses it's way. I guess Tibbet's death has something to do about it, but the film feels way too long, even longer that Octopussy, quite an acheivement when you consider that OP had about four endings.
007forever.com did a pretty dandy assesment of AVTAK a while back, with alot of good points, some I'd already noticed and agreed with and a few I'd missed.
#8
Posted 30 November 2002 - 05:15 PM
#9
Posted 30 November 2002 - 05:47 PM
Dr. No I feel is lacking because it was the first in the series and lead the way for the others to follow, so they didn't know quite where to go with it. The didn't know for sure what the audience would like.
Thunderball drags out too long, with the many underwater sequences and the boring beginning in Shrublands Health Clinic.
LALD is very exciting in certain parts, the boat chase is awesome, but the movie as a whole just doesn't have the feel of a Bond movie.
Most people will say that TMWTGG, AVTAK, and DAF are the worst ones, but I actually enjoy these movies.
#10
Posted 30 November 2002 - 05:58 PM
YOLT - a bored Connery really didn't do the film any favours.
DAF - a better paid, but still ultimately bored, Connery.
TWINE - for all reasons stated above.
All of Moore's films, for better or worse, can be enjoyed for what they are. None of them could really be accused of unentertaining, which I feel is what we are measuring here through a barometer of repeated viewings. Moore's films don't feature in this post because they all seemed to have a confidence in where they were going and didn't suffer through unprofessionalism in the acting stakes or pretensiousness in the production stakes.
#11
Posted 30 November 2002 - 05:58 PM
Originally posted by Dortmunder
Most people will say that TMWTGG, AVTAK, and DAF are the worst ones, but I actually enjoy these movies.
I absolutely love TMWTGG. It's just such zany, tongue-in-cheek fun. Great score, fantastic locations, the beautiful Maud Adams, the iconic Christopher Lee, an amazing henchman in Nick Nack, and one of the most awesome stunts in the entire series. Moore's best Bond film in my opinion.
#12
Posted 01 December 2002 - 04:44 AM
#13
Posted 01 December 2002 - 05:50 AM
#14
Posted 01 December 2002 - 05:52 AM
LOL!
~LTK~
#15
Posted 01 December 2002 - 03:46 PM
Originally posted by 007.5
Thunderball was a ghastly film. It just dragged so much, it was like an underwater documentary with gadgets. I never liked it when I was a kid and I thought it would improve as a I got older but NO it hasn't.
The story is very Dificult for me and have a slow story.
But i don't like the under Water scene's to.
#16
Posted 01 December 2002 - 05:14 PM
#17
Posted 01 December 2002 - 10:21 PM
DAF was just bad, I dont know, but it didnt really feel like a Bond film, even the music didnt have that Bond feel to it. Add to that the fact that Connery is overwieght, and his heart just isnt in it.
#18
Posted 02 December 2002 - 01:41 AM
LTK
TMWTGG
AVTAK
MR comes close, but it's fun sometimes.
But to adress the others mentioned:
Thunderball isn't boring. I don't see how anyone could think it is. It was the most successful Bond film ever. 800 million dollars, when adjusted for inflation. It's my fav!!
You Only Live Twice is so classic. You don't get any bigger than that without turning into Moonraker. But this one pulls it off.
Octopussy is dead on entertainment. Corny, yes. Incredibly fun tho.
Diamonds Are Forever is a ridiculous Bond film. But there's something fun about it. Maybe its just so camp its good.
#19
Posted 02 December 2002 - 11:07 AM
Anyway, my least favorite Bond movie is You Only Live Twice. I dont know why, I just find it boring and by far the worst Connery Bond. Some of the fighting scenes dragged, and I didnt care for that whole disguising Bond as a japanese man (which looked dodgy to say the least).
After YOLT, I dont really have any worst Bond movies, but just lots of moments I dislike in some of them (usually Moore movies), such as the stupid Sheriff Pepper in a couple of the Moore movies and Bond tarzan cry as he swings on the vines in Octopssy (wtf?)
Jim
#20
Posted 02 December 2002 - 06:05 PM
#21
Posted 06 December 2002 - 05:07 PM
#22
Posted 09 December 2002 - 12:38 AM
I'm not sure what I'd say are the worst. But there are ones I can't stand watching.
YOLT is a real chore. The score is wonderful, but Blofeld is awful, the women are hidious, and the film is just stupid to me. Great song though.
TMWTGG is my least favorite by far. It plot is flimsy, and the film is BUTT-***** UGLY AS ALL HELL. I MEAN UGLY, UGLY, UGLY. Except for Maud Adams of course.
I also can't watch bring myself to watch the last half hour of MR or AVTAK.
TWINE also sucks. But I loved the bagpipes!

(I'm actually watching something about Bond is the HIstory Channel as I type.)
TB is actually my favorite Bond film of all. I find to be very entertaining.
DAF isn't one of the greats, but I actually find quite enjoyable. It's a guilty pleasure of mine. I think it's fun, and a great score too.
Octopussy is okay, but I'm liking it less today than I used to.
LTK is enjoyable at least.
#23
Posted 09 December 2002 - 12:40 AM
#24
Posted 09 December 2002 - 01:41 AM
#25
Posted 09 December 2002 - 03:10 AM
#26
Posted 10 December 2002 - 09:39 PM
The Bond movies that I find barely watchable are LALD, MR, and AVTAK.
In addition, I doubt I'd watch OHMSS, TMWTGG, or TWINE much if ever, if I wasn't taking notes on Bond movies.
#27
Posted 12 December 2002 - 02:51 AM
Live and Let Die...Bond sleeping with women a foot taller than him...why? could those afros BE any bigger?
The Man With The Golden Gun...tacky, dumb, idiotic.
Moonraker....I was waiting for Gil Gerard and Twinki to show up.
A View To A Kill...Geriatric Bond.
The Living Daylights...Bland Bond
License To Kill...Bond? Ok, if you say so.
#28
Posted 15 December 2002 - 12:01 AM
Originally posted by Citan Trevelyan
License to kil....dreadful, and death scenes I'd compare to the Friday the 13th series (such as the exploding head). It was almost a horror movie. Whoever gave it PG-13 must have missed the especially over-the-top moments.
Whoa it's amazing that you say that, b/c I always think the same thing--whenever Heller is shoved through the wall on that forklift I always think of a Michael Myers killing...I hated Krest so much though, I couldn't wait for him to die.
I certainly don't agree that LTK is the "worst Bond film" though...if I HAD to choose one, I would probably say You Only Live Twice, Diamonds Are Forever, or Die Another Day.
#29
Posted 31 December 2002 - 11:34 AM
5. DIE ANOTHER DAY (despite the fact that I think the first half is one of the best Bond films - the second half kills it!)
4. MOONRAKER (good until the one fatal turning point of Jaws falling in love - even though I love Roger Moore's expression directly after that scene!)
3. THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN
2. A VIEW TO A KILL (probably the stupidest climax of all the Bond films - Watch out for that, um, blimp that's sneaking up behind you!)
1. DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER (just too silly! It'll take me too long to count the things I didn't like. Probably the campiest of all the Bond films - even though people like blaming poor Roger Moore for that! I don't hate it - or any other Bond film for that matter - it's just my least favorite)
#30
Posted 05 January 2003 - 10:39 AM
AVTAK on the other hand is crass and banal ALL the way through. It's only redeeming feature is John Barry's score (minus the Beach Boys interpolations of course).
Just my opinion of course.