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Worst Bond movie ever??


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#1 ShakeNotStirred

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Posted 28 November 2002 - 01:03 AM

Wow, even though i am a huge fan of bond, theres got to be a couple mistakes. I would have to give mine a tie. I love every Bond movie but three Bond movies. Its a tie with Diamonds Are Forever, Live and Let Die, and Octopussy. The rest of them are all very good, minus A View To A Kill, which could have been better, but theres mine. Lets get ur opinion on ur own.

#2 007.5

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Posted 28 November 2002 - 11:38 PM

Thunderball was a ghastly film. It just dragged so much, it was like an underwater documentary with gadgets. I never liked it when I was a kid and I thought it would improve as a I got older but NO it hasn't.

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Posted 29 November 2002 - 12:21 AM

I used to think of MOONRAKER, OCTOPUSSY and A VIEW TO A KILL as vying for the title of Worst Bond Movie Ever (saw MOONRAKER recently for the first time in several years, and realised how wrong I was - if you just sit back and accept that you're watching nothing to do with Fleming's Bond, and possibly the most cartoonish Bond film of them all, it's great entertainment).

I now tend to feel that THE WORLD IS NOT ENOUGH may be the turkey to end all turkeys. Everything about it is wrong: it's joyless, dull, and seems about three times as long as A VIEW TO A KILL.

The tone veers wildly between so-called serious drama (actually hamfisted melodrama), unpleasantness (Elektra mutilates herself, albeit offscreen), and Moore-style "comedy" at its worst (the action moves to Scotland, so we have to have Q working on flamethrower bagpipes).

The title sequence is, as freemo once put it, "pure vomit". The cinematography would do no disgrace to a daytime soap opera, and the action sequences are rendered incomprehensible by slapdash editing.

The score is overbearing, and all of the performances are dull beyond belief. Brosnan's performance as Bond is possibly the least charismatic ever, and his delivery of lines is often painful. He seems even more bored and in-it-for-the-money than Connery did in YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE and DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER.

Worse, the actors play badly together. Everyone seems to be in a different film. And there's zero chemistry between Bond and his leading ladies, Elektra and Christmas Jones (and why is Denise Richards always slated for this movie? She doesn't ham it up mercilessly like Sophie Marceau).

Goldie gives us the lamest, least threatening henchman in the series' history. Quite how he landed the role is anyone's guess. "He puts his money where his mouth is." The humour's not up to much, either.

I used to think that TWINE had its good points, for example that Robert Carlyle gave a fine performance as Renard. Actually, he just plays a generic hood from Eastern Europe, and his performance is all in the skinhead-and-shabby-leather-jacket look and cigarettes.

The script insults the intelligence - yes, even by Bond movie standards - and even the gadgets look really, really stupid (especially naff: the jacket that blows up into what looks like a giant protective golfball).

Renard, feeling no pain, can hold a scorching hot rock in his hand. Fine, but why no burning, smoking flesh? He dies impaled by the blunt end of a rod travelling at not particularly high speed. A doctor for the British secret service is curiously allowed to be present while M, Bond and Tanner are discussing Renard and his plans, while----

Okay, I'm going to stop there. As we know, all Bond films have plot holes, goofs and unanswered questions, but we put up with them because, generally speaking, the Bonds are fantastic escapist entertainment.

Not TWINE. Michael Apted directs as though he secretly feels Bond is beneath him; in fact, it seems no one thought that the film needed to be fun to watch. It's the only Bond movie I would describe as pretentious. Compared to it, DIE ANOTHER DAY is a Grade A masterpiece of cinema.

At least the likes of MOONRAKER and A VIEW TO A KILL can be enjoyed as silly, tongue-in-cheek fun if one chooses to approach them as such. TWINE is just soulless, plodding drivel that pretends to be a much better film than it is, and is profoundly unentertaining.

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Posted 29 November 2002 - 01:53 AM

Nobody could have made me say it three years ago, but TWINE is the only Bond movie that gets worse each time I watch it. The pre-credits (the part BEFORE the boat chase) start off well but it's all downhill from there. The movie is UGLY - uglier than Licence To Kill which at least had a villain with some charisma. You actually wind up feeling sorry for Renard - that's not a good thing.

Not that anybody cares, but here's my assessment of the Brosnan Bonds:

1. GoldenEye - still untoppable in terms of modern Bonds.
2. Die Another Day - a great Bond film AND a great film in general.
3. Tomorrow Never Dies - over the top, but the action is top-notch until the third act.
4. TWINE - dead last.

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Posted 29 November 2002 - 05:01 AM

Diamonds Are Forever... truly a dreadful Bond film, far and away the worst of the series. I can derive at least some enjoyment from Live and Let Die and The Man With The Golden Gun, two of the least popular Bond flicks, but Diamonds just sucks.

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Posted 29 November 2002 - 01:41 PM

Well I will post quickly before I am rushed to my local hospitial after shock from the statements of Loomis and Felix Lighters.

A View to a Kill, its not as terrible as I thought it once was, but it still has a long way to go.

Ahh, my heart is stoppin j/k

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Posted 30 November 2002 - 04:50 AM

TWINE, for all Loomis's reasons and much, much more. I won't go into it too much here, I've said it all before.

AVTAK is always an interseting one in these "worst" film discussions. I thought the first half (pre San Fransisco) was quite okay. Bond at Zorins stables and all that, not perfect but there was alot of parts to like about it. It's after they sink the Rolls and the film moves to SF that it becomes real routine, pretty dull, and loses it's way. I guess Tibbet's death has something to do about it, but the film feels way too long, even longer that Octopussy, quite an acheivement when you consider that OP had about four endings.

007forever.com did a pretty dandy assesment of AVTAK a while back, with alot of good points, some I'd already noticed and agreed with and a few I'd missed.

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Posted 30 November 2002 - 05:15 PM

well, I would have to say that Thunderball was pretty boring. It lacked any tension whatsoever. Of course I guess we aren't counting Never Say Never Again *shudders*

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Posted 30 November 2002 - 05:47 PM

The worst Bond movie does not exist. I have lesser favourites, but I would never call it the worst. My least favourites are Thunderball, LALD, and Dr. No (No, I don't have anything against the Caribbean), but they are still awesome movies.

Dr. No I feel is lacking because it was the first in the series and lead the way for the others to follow, so they didn't know quite where to go with it. The didn't know for sure what the audience would like.

Thunderball drags out too long, with the many underwater sequences and the boring beginning in Shrublands Health Clinic.

LALD is very exciting in certain parts, the boat chase is awesome, but the movie as a whole just doesn't have the feel of a Bond movie.

Most people will say that TMWTGG, AVTAK, and DAF are the worst ones, but I actually enjoy these movies.

#10 Simon

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Posted 30 November 2002 - 05:58 PM

The worst? Well I have to say in equal parts;

YOLT - a bored Connery really didn't do the film any favours.
DAF - a better paid, but still ultimately bored, Connery.
TWINE - for all reasons stated above.

All of Moore's films, for better or worse, can be enjoyed for what they are. None of them could really be accused of unentertaining, which I feel is what we are measuring here through a barometer of repeated viewings. Moore's films don't feature in this post because they all seemed to have a confidence in where they were going and didn't suffer through unprofessionalism in the acting stakes or pretensiousness in the production stakes.

#11 Loomis

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Posted 30 November 2002 - 05:58 PM

Originally posted by Dortmunder
Most people will say that TMWTGG, AVTAK, and DAF are the worst ones, but I actually enjoy these movies.


I absolutely love TMWTGG. It's just such zany, tongue-in-cheek fun. Great score, fantastic locations, the beautiful Maud Adams, the iconic Christopher Lee, an amazing henchman in Nick Nack, and one of the most awesome stunts in the entire series. Moore's best Bond film in my opinion.

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Posted 01 December 2002 - 04:44 AM

I love TMWTGG, too. Though it is a sort of departure from the regular Bond, it still is an awesome movie. The girls, the chases, the locales, Scaramanga, all made the movie all the better. Though I do feel that it was a little lacking in plot, it was still a great movie, that IMO beats out over 10 other Bond films.

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Posted 01 December 2002 - 05:50 AM

License to Kill is the worst of the worst. Bond has been in some laughable movies, but I think LTK wins. The tongue-in-cheek humor of movies like The Man With The Golden Gun and Moonraker is a little absurd, but some of the scenes in LTK evoke wild laughter and they are not supposed to be funny. When Dalton chrips "DELLA" upon finding Felix's dead wife, I laugh. When the DEA people and Felix are running in slow motion, I laugh. When Dalton describes himself as a "Problem Eliminator" I really laugh! I just think that the movie is way too serious and just becomes humorous to me. I guess since the movie has no intended humor, i have to come up with my own. I give it one start out of five.

#14 License To Kill

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Posted 01 December 2002 - 05:52 AM

DELLLAAAAAAA!

LOL!



~LTK~

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Posted 01 December 2002 - 03:46 PM

Originally posted by 007.5
Thunderball was a ghastly film. It just dragged so much, it was like an underwater documentary with gadgets. I never liked it when I was a kid and I thought it would improve as a I got older but NO it hasn't.


The story is very Dificult for me and have a slow story.
But i don't like the under Water scene's to.

#16 ShakeNotStirred

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Posted 01 December 2002 - 05:14 PM

I have to agree, TMWTGG is awesome. The girl is awesome, the henchmen in Nick Nack, the chase is awesome, stunts are cool, opening scene is really cool, and the villian Scaramanga (Christopher Lee) does an awesome job.

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Posted 01 December 2002 - 10:21 PM

There are only two that I dont like as much as the others, and those are LALD, and DAF. LALD was too American for me, I dont know what other way to say it, it just didnt feel like a Bond film. Great music though, and the theme song by Paul McCartney cant be beat.

DAF was just bad, I dont know, but it didnt really feel like a Bond film, even the music didnt have that Bond feel to it. Add to that the fact that Connery is overwieght, and his heart just isnt in it.

#18 Harmsway

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Posted 02 December 2002 - 01:41 AM

The worst have got to be:

LTK
TMWTGG
AVTAK

MR comes close, but it's fun sometimes.

But to adress the others mentioned:

Thunderball isn't boring. I don't see how anyone could think it is. It was the most successful Bond film ever. 800 million dollars, when adjusted for inflation. It's my fav!!

You Only Live Twice is so classic. You don't get any bigger than that without turning into Moonraker. But this one pulls it off.

Octopussy is dead on entertainment. Corny, yes. Incredibly fun tho.

Diamonds Are Forever is a ridiculous Bond film. But there's something fun about it. Maybe its just so camp its good.

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Posted 02 December 2002 - 11:07 AM

Wow, Im really surprised at what some people consider the worst Bond movies.
Anyway, my least favorite Bond movie is You Only Live Twice. I dont know why, I just find it boring and by far the worst Connery Bond. Some of the fighting scenes dragged, and I didnt care for that whole disguising Bond as a japanese man (which looked dodgy to say the least).
After YOLT, I dont really have any worst Bond movies, but just lots of moments I dislike in some of them (usually Moore movies), such as the stupid Sheriff Pepper in a couple of the Moore movies and Bond tarzan cry as he swings on the vines in Octopssy (wtf?)
Jim

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Posted 02 December 2002 - 06:05 PM

License to kil....dreadful, and death scenes I'd compare to the Friday the 13th series (such as the exploding head). It was almost a horror movie. Whoever gave it PG-13 must have missed the especially over-the-top moments.

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Posted 06 December 2002 - 05:07 PM

I like the series as a whole. For fans of movie series', the Bond series is far and away the longest lasting and coolest. I'm still blown away by how long they've been making these and how long they've been great. That said, I love the continuity of the series more than anything else. And for me, it's exciting that Moore was in 7 of these movies and Connery was in six (and sort of seven), etc...So if I had to pick the movies in the series that I watch the least and that I don't think belong in the series quite as well as the others, I'd have to say OHMSS, TLD, and LTK. They all stand alone as great movies, but especially the Dalton ones have the wrong Moneypenny as well as the wrong Bond. I love Dalton's performance, but he was only in two of the movies. That makes me enjoy him less. By 1974, Moore had just done two, and TMWTGG was poorly received in every possible way, but once Cubby threw a large budget and a lot of extra effort into the next movie (TSWLM) Moore found success and continued to from then on. Both Lazenby and Dalton had the potential to succeed if they'd stuck around. If Dalton had stayed around for Goldeneye, it would still have had great success and then it would have made people appreciate his other two films more. But it wasn't to be, so Brosnan became the Bond that we now love. So anyway, even the worst Moore, Connery, or Brosnan films are fun to watch because they're part of the series IMO, and despite the great performances by Carey Lowell, Diana Rigg, Desmond Llewelyn, Bernard Lee, Robert Brown, Lois Maxwell, etc...and even great performances by Dalton and Lazenby, I find those 3 movies to be the least rewarding to watch as part of the series.

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Posted 09 December 2002 - 12:38 AM

Well, I don't think of conitunity too much. I kinda take every Bond as their own.

I'm not sure what I'd say are the worst. But there are ones I can't stand watching.

YOLT is a real chore. The score is wonderful, but Blofeld is awful, the women are hidious, and the film is just stupid to me. Great song though.

TMWTGG is my least favorite by far. It plot is flimsy, and the film is BUTT-***** UGLY AS ALL HELL. I MEAN UGLY, UGLY, UGLY. Except for Maud Adams of course.

I also can't watch bring myself to watch the last half hour of MR or AVTAK.

TWINE also sucks. But I loved the bagpipes! :)

(I'm actually watching something about Bond is the HIstory Channel as I type.)

TB is actually my favorite Bond film of all. I find to be very entertaining.

DAF isn't one of the greats, but I actually find quite enjoyable. It's a guilty pleasure of mine. I think it's fun, and a great score too.

Octopussy is okay, but I'm liking it less today than I used to.

LTK is enjoyable at least.

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Posted 09 December 2002 - 12:40 AM

STELLA!!! I mean DELLA!!!

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Posted 09 December 2002 - 01:41 AM

YOLT is my least favorite...

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Posted 09 December 2002 - 03:10 AM

Moonraker is my least favorite, followed by YOLT (a popular choice on this thread, it seems), and there's a big gap between those two and DAF, my next least favorite. I hated DAF upon first viewing, although I've come to enjoy it more and more with every viewing.

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Posted 10 December 2002 - 09:39 PM

Unlike most of you, I adore DAF. Love it, love it.

The Bond movies that I find barely watchable are LALD, MR, and AVTAK.

In addition, I doubt I'd watch OHMSS, TMWTGG, or TWINE much if ever, if I wasn't taking notes on Bond movies.

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Posted 12 December 2002 - 02:51 AM

Let's see....

Live and Let Die...Bond sleeping with women a foot taller than him...why? could those afros BE any bigger?
The Man With The Golden Gun...tacky, dumb, idiotic.
Moonraker....I was waiting for Gil Gerard and Twinki to show up.
A View To A Kill...Geriatric Bond.
The Living Daylights...Bland Bond
License To Kill...Bond? Ok, if you say so.

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Posted 15 December 2002 - 12:01 AM

Originally posted by Citan Trevelyan
License to kil....dreadful, and death scenes I'd compare to the Friday the 13th series (such as the exploding head). It was almost a horror movie. Whoever gave it PG-13 must have missed the especially over-the-top moments.


Whoa it's amazing that you say that, b/c I always think the same thing--whenever Heller is shoved through the wall on that forklift I always think of a Michael Myers killing...I hated Krest so much though, I couldn't wait for him to die.

I certainly don't agree that LTK is the "worst Bond film" though...if I HAD to choose one, I would probably say You Only Live Twice, Diamonds Are Forever, or Die Another Day.

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Posted 31 December 2002 - 11:34 AM

My bottom five (from better to worse):

5. DIE ANOTHER DAY (despite the fact that I think the first half is one of the best Bond films - the second half kills it!)

4. MOONRAKER (good until the one fatal turning point of Jaws falling in love - even though I love Roger Moore's expression directly after that scene!)

3. THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN

2. A VIEW TO A KILL (probably the stupidest climax of all the Bond films - Watch out for that, um, blimp that's sneaking up behind you!)

1. DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER (just too silly! It'll take me too long to count the things I didn't like. Probably the campiest of all the Bond films - even though people like blaming poor Roger Moore for that! I don't hate it - or any other Bond film for that matter - it's just my least favorite)

#30 White Persian

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Posted 05 January 2003 - 10:39 AM

Although Moonraker has the most cringe inducing moments of the series, the first half (until Bond hits Rio) aren't too bad at all.
AVTAK on the other hand is crass and banal ALL the way through. It's only redeeming feature is John Barry's score (minus the Beach Boys interpolations of course).

Just my opinion of course.