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[DavidJones]

Mind you, my favourite film ever is Octopussy

[Odd Jobbies]

The Dark Knight is an impressive and unique piece of filmmaking in my book. A thriller just as gritty and character driven as Heat, yet it's about a guy in a teflon bat costume.

 

Sounds impossible to me, but Nolan (and Ledger) somehow pulled it off.

[themadcloner]

The one thing that would excite me is that a Nolan-produced/directed Bond film pretty much means a Hans Zimmer Bond score.  And that would be extremely interesting to hear.

[Orion]

Hans Zimmer isnt a cert for a Nolan score, whilst he does use Zimmer for the epics, he used David Julyan for all his smaller scale films - Following, Memento, Insomnia and The Prestige. It all depends on what kind of film Nolan would make is approached - a Skyall scale film for example would be better with Julyan, whilst SPECTRE level would be better with Zimmer (Casino Royale level would go either way - Zimmer for miami and the sinking house, Julyan for the poker game)

[themadcloner]

I think it's almost a certainty he'd let Zimmer do it.  If Nolan does Bond 25, there's a 99% certainty in my mind Zimmer does the score.  Never mind the professional partnership between these two, just based on their apparent friendship and understanding he'd let Zimmer have a crack at it.

Edited by themadcloner, 07 May 2017 - 09:36 PM.

[Orion]

He does seem more likly than most - Batman Begins and Inception are the two most Bond like in Nolans filmography and where scored by Zimmer - but if Nolan wanted to make an edgier thriller with a more intimate tone he may go to his other composer.

[SecretAgentFan]

Nolan has moved on to huge blockbuster-aimed productions and only used Zimmer since then.  If he directed a Bond film it is no question that he would employ Zimmer.

 

But the imdb-rumour about Nolan was false.  Absolutely false.

 

There won´t be a Nolan-directed Bond in the near future.  Especially not BOND 25.

[MISALA1994]

Nolan has moved on to huge blockbuster-aimed productions and only used Zimmer since then. If he directed a Bond film it is no question that he would employ Zimmer.

But the imdb-rumour about Nolan was false. Absolutely false.

There won´t be a Nolan-directed Bond in the near future. Especially not BOND 25.

This...

Edited by MISALA1994, 08 May 2017 - 06:35 AM.

[Orion]

No, I don't seriously see a Nolan Bond 25 either (Paul McGuigan seems likely) but it is fun to speculate.

[Dustin]

Nolan still has decades of work ahead of him. It's probably really just a question of time before he will either do a Bond film or a 'real' spy film; though INCEPTION already went a long way with that. 

[Jim]

One wonders if he has a new film coming out? Oh look, yes he does.

 

Fancy that.

 

One does wonder further whether the powers at be at Eon are perpetually frustrated that an association - however tenuous, however untrue - X may have with Bond, simply benefits X's latest enterprise. Although it may reassure them in the long run that any association with "Bond" - however tenuous, however untrue - ultimately tops up the general awareness of Bond in fallow times, so they're content to let it happen.

[SecretAgentFan]

Might well be that EON was as impressed by Nolan as they were by Vaughn.

 

Not that this is something you admit publically.

[dtuba]

Thank God it was only a rumour.

No Nolan, please and definitely no Zimmer.

 

After the last 3 Craig films I'm in the mood for something a bit lighter than these two Cheerful Charlies. (Not that SP was all that dark and gloomy; I think it could have been a fun, light hearted Bond instead of the tonally-confused, jumbled mess that we got.)

[Professor Pi]

SPECTRE already is, basically, a Nolan film.  You can see where his talks with EON found their way into the script.  The difference is Mendes didn't fully commit to the 'James Bond is dead' dying fever dream interpretation of the final act in the film, and foretold at the beginning ('The dead are alive.')  Some have argued the character died in the Skyfall PTS ("Why not stay dead?")  While these mind games work well with Inception and Memento, it's not playing by the laws of the James Bond universe. 

 

EON often flirts with these choices to be meta (YOLT's PTS, TMWTGG's funhouse), and gives artistic directors the reins (Michael Apted, Marc Forster), but doesn't fully commit (reality vs. TV theme wasted in TND, nods to franchise past in DAD.)  This ambiguity was how they dealt with vengeance for Tracy's death (DAF), and follow LTK with a new M and actor (GE.)  It's a shame they can't pull the trigger on something truly controversial (Spock dies, Darth is dad), or botch it when they do (Blofeld is his brother!)  What's left over from these mismatches is a compromised product.  And never has it been more so than now.

[SecretAgentFan]

I remember the theory that Bond actually dies during the torture scene - and it would, somehow, make the film better indeed.  Although I do not want Bond to die at all - so there is my conundrum.

 

By the way, it´s June now.

 

And despite studios courting EON, the averting of a potential writers´ strike, rumours of a script being written and DC open to return once more...

 

Nothing.

 

In times like these, of course, it is silly to be disappointed about Bond films not being made.  

 

Then again, in times like these, perhaps, a silly entertainment about a hero conquering evil would not be out of place at all.

[Dustin]

I think it's by now not very likely there will be substantial development on BOND 25 this year. There should right now be major buzz around the project - yet the opposite seems to be the case, not a lot of stirring in the undergrowth in any direction.

Would Bond be welcome in these times? Yes, I think so - even though Bond is a fantasy, a 'tale full of sound and fury, signifying nothing' to speak with the bard, Bond no doubt influences the morale of the viewer. Is this maybe what makes them hesitate? Too much at stake? They should be used to it by now.

Let's hope.

[MISALA1994]

One question: is it time for a fresh start?

[SecretAgentFan]

The longer the wait there will have to be a fresh start.

 

One day the whole backstory of what happened during the production of SPECTRE and the aftermath will hopefully come out.

[Dustin]

I think the general public doesn't much care either way whether there's a fresh start or not; 'fresh start' here translating as a recast of 007.

Craig is a very successful Bond so evidently they will welcome him back. But only few would likely even bother to remember Blofeld. And if Craig wouldn't come back...well, then I think the next Bond would probably be just as welcome.

If BOND 25 doesn't get off the ground in 2017...

[SecretAgentFan]

I´ve said it before: Craig can/should only return if BOND 25 is getting off the ground very soon.

 

If there are more than three years between SPECTRE and BOND 25 it would rather be an unneccessary victory lap, delaying the inevitable recasting which would give the whole series much more (needed) energy.

 

When Connery returned for DAF it was also clear that it would be a one-off - however, it was a reminder of what Bond can be like after the lukewarm response to Lazenby.

 

If Craig returns for a one-off the film will have to be so good that audiences and critics won´t groan with boredom like they did after AVTAK.

[Tiin007]

You've touched upon my biggest concern, SAF-- that Craig would return in 2019 or 2020 for his final Bond film, only to have the recasting process and general overhaul result in another large gap (four years or more) for Bond 26. 

 

If Bond 25 is to be Craig's last, then EON should simultaneously be planning ahead for the next era. That means start the casting process early. 

 

It's a shame we are almost down to two Bond films per decade. 

[Professor Pi]

Hmmm ...

 

Six in the 60s,

Five (+1?) in the 70s,

Five (six?) in the 80s,

Three in the 90s,

Three in the 2000s,

Two since 2010 so far and it's already 2017.

 

At this point, hopefully they'll make one more with Craig, and recast/reboot for the 60th anniversary in 2022.

 

How many Marvel, DC, X-Men, and Star Wars movies will we have by then?  Can Bond even outpace Star Trek?

[Tiin007]

I cringe every time I hear someone mention the "60th anniversary in 2022." We've had enough homages and throwbacks, and not enough films since the last anniversary (the 50th in 2012). 

 

I do not want EON to so much as mention "60th anniversary" come 2022. 

 

How about EON focus on making a great Bond film in 2022, rather than needlessly trying to shoehorn an inordinate amount of fan service into it? Somehow I feel the fans will be much happier that way. 

[SecretAgentFan]

With the zeitgeist racing in light speed, will the anniversary in 2022 even be relevant if there is only one new film in between?

 

Will James Bond finally become a thing of the past?

 

Excuse my pathos.  I´m feeling bathetic this morning.

[MISALA1994]

Will James Bond finally become a thing of the past?

No, SP made 880 at the box office.

[Agent 76]

The 007 movie franchise is one of the most valuable brands in the business. I'm sure more movies will be made, 

[SecretAgentFan]

Yeah, but the question is: when?

 

There´s no doubt that someone will make another Bond film.  But with EON branching out with other films one might suspect that Bond films are no priority for them anymore.  As they aren´t for the current lead actor.

 

I would not even be surprised anymore if EON at some point were to sell the rights to Bond.  I could even imagine BB deciding this after MGW retires, and this might be very soon.  Just like George Lucas decided at some point: no, I´ve done enough of these.

 

And maybe that actually would be a good thing.  The series needs people who really want to make these movies and don´t feel tired after making too much of them.

[Dustin]

It's been up for grabs before, so who knows. Personally, I could understand very well if a creative mind who grew up literally inside this business sooner or later starts looking for something different.

The thing is, it's an awful lot of trouble and annoyance behind the scenes involved with every single production. That's not different from other films, only here the complicated situation of ownership and finances comes on top of it all. This is, in the long run, certainly an element all involved parties could do without.

No doubt, there will be more Bond films in the future. But it's also possible the gaps become longer and longer, at least for a time until the basic situation regarding MGM clears up.

Be that as it may, all we can do is hope for the best.

[glidrose]

Hmmm ...
 
Six in the 60s,
Five (+1?) in the 70s,
Five (six?) in the 80s,

I think you mean Six (+1?) in the 60s and only Five in the 70s.

[Mr. Somerset]

Sadly I'm starting to realize it's probably not best to take the Bond series for granted anymore. The Bond films have been around more than my whole life, on a two year basis for much of that. Now that the two year tradition has long been broken, and now accepted as a thing of the past, we're lucky when we get a new film after three years. Even that doesn't happen very often. Seems the filmmakers now get burned out after each film and need a break.

 

In addition with EON only offering a one film contract to the bidding studios possibly for a final Craig Bond I now completely believe it's possible they will close up shop after B25. Not only will be they be too exhausted to make another after B25, but will have to AGAIN go thru the entire process of finding another studio as well as another leading actor. I doubt the filmmakers will really want that considering how much energy the Craig era has taken out of them.

 

I do hope EON gets their second wind with B25 and actually starts planning for the future of the franchise, as it will truly be a sad time when we can no longer anticipate a new Bond film. Right now it doesn't even really seem they are planning for the present.