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[Guy Haines]

Jaws was thrown from the train in TSWLM, as was Tee Hee in LALD. Pity they can't try something a bit different like, oh I don't know, garrotting Hinx?

Oh, hold on.......;-)

[Robinson]

Aired during the first commercial break of "Empire"
30 second spot with the following new footage:

Bond in the helicopter, looking at the blood-stained rim in his hand.
Bond in Morocco, firing a machine gun with Swann behind him.
Bond conversing w/ Oberhauser in the MI6 gun range.
Bond firing his pistol near the wreckage of. His aircraft.

VoiceOver that says November 6th.
"Ring" not "rim."

[The Dove]

Wow!! Thanks for reporting, Robinson!

[Vauxhall]

Fantastic! Hope this appears soon.

[antovolk]

Fantastic, thank you! I'll e on the lookout for the video.

We already have a topic dedicated to the spots, can we move this discussion here? http://debrief.comma...scussion/page-2

[Matt_13]

I have it paused on my tv myself.

There's a new shot of Bond on the lake and another shot of the helicopter flying over Mexico City (color saturation consistent with what we've seen, for those who are curious). The spot is set to the teaser trailer music and also the music from the last tv spot. There is also a shot of Bond walking through MI6 and a very teasing shot of him seemingly studying Oberhauser's face...

And also, and it could just be me, the line " You came across me so many time yet you never saw me" is now distinctly belonging to Waltz, but it sounds a bit...off. Can't wait for you guys to see!

[DamnCoffee]

Fantastic! Cannot wait to see. Are you able to capture it?

Edited by DamnCoffee, 24 September 2015 - 01:57 PM.

[hthomas20]

I have it paused on my tv myself.

There's a new shot of Bond on the lake and another shot of the helicopter flying over Mexico City (color saturation consistent with what we've seen, for those who are curious). The spot is set to the teaser trailer music and also the music from the last tv spot. There is also a shot of Bond walking through MI6 and a very teasing shot of him seemingly studying Oberhauser's face...

And also, and it could just be me, the line " You came across me so many time yet you never saw me" is now distinctly belonging to Waltz, but it sounds a bit...off. Can't wait for you guys to see!

can you record it on your phone or something and email it? 

[Matt_13]

Fantastic! Cannot wait to see. Are you able to capture it?

Am I allowed to post it legally if I do?

[hthomas20]

 

Fantastic! Cannot wait to see. Are you able to capture it?

Am I allowed to post it legally if I do?

 

there is no problem with it

[Ace Roberts]

 

 

Fantastic! Cannot wait to see. Are you able to capture it?

Am I allowed to post it legally if I do?

 

there is no problem with it

 

I would wait for one of the moderators to chime in before doing so.  

[Matt_13]

Yeah that's what I'm doing.

[antovolk]

The rules say:

"Copyrighted material including, but not limited to magazine scans, pictures, music files, or articles. Excerpts from an article are okay within reason. Assume the copyright holders are reading the forums – they likely are."

As far as I'm aware, there have been no problems posting recordings of TV spots in the past - remember that NBA TV spot? It essentially counts as a trailer so that's no problem at all. Unlike content you'd have to pay for to access (like say magazine scans)

UPD: for reference - http://debrief.comma...-spot-spoilers/

Edited by antovolk, 24 September 2015 - 02:47 PM.

[Jim]

 

It essentially counts as a trailer so that's no problem at all. Unlike content you'd have to pay for to access (like say magazine scans)

 

Not totally sure that's where a distinction lies; the tv spots plainly must be copyright someone somewhere.

 

Who may or may not be watching for leaks they haven't engineered themselves.

[Matt_13]

My outlook is that I can't post it because it's not mine. Think that's what I'll stick with.

[Jim]

Is probably safest.

[mrmoon]

My outlook is that I can't post it because it's not mine. Think that's what I'll stick with.

 

If it's been on TV, they know people will leak it. Don't see a problem myself. If they didn't want it out there, they wouldn't broadcast it. 

[thecasinoroyale]

IMO I'd rather wait for crisp HD video than a recording any day.

 

I'm sure it'll be here online soon.

[antovolk]

It essentially counts as a trailer so that's no problem at all. Unlike content you'd have to pay for to access (like say magazine scans)

 
Not totally sure that's where a distinction lies; the tv spots plainly must be copyright someone somewhere.
 
Who may or may not be watching for leaks they haven't engineered themselves.

But the difference is that this is promotional material/trailer that has already had its public release on TV? So must we wait for EON/Sony to post officially themselves, which who knows if/when they'll do? If a member got a hold of the spot before it debuted on TV, then that'd be a leak, but not when it's already been broadcast.

I'll once again refer to the thread with the first TV spot shown at the NBAs, there wasn't any problem there....

Edited by antovolk, 24 September 2015 - 03:00 PM.

[Jim]

It might be that the problem wasn't spotted rather than there being no problem. There might be a problem and we might be sailing very close to the wind.

 

On the logic you suggest, once a book's been published it can be used howsoever others wish? I'm not sure that holds up.

[Shrublands]

Eon, Sony, MGM want as many people as possible to see their TV spots. They're not in the business of restricting them, that would make no sense at all. 

[Jim]

Fair point; am just a bit worried that sometimes these things come via means and channels that even with that aim in mind, they still wouldn't be too happy about.

[antovolk]

It might be that the problem wasn't spotted rather than there being no problem. There might be a problem and we might be sailing very close to the wind.
 
On the logic you suggest, once a book's been published it can be used howsoever others wish? I'm not sure that holds up.

This is essentially different from a book though as a TV spot is promotional material intended for public/mass consumption, that's been broadcast on a public (as opposed to subscription-based like HBO/Sky or whatever) channel. I'm sure Sony are more aware than anyone that people will share pictures and recording and talk about it on social media, and with showing the spot on television they are assuming that will happen. If they didn't want it out there/if they wanted to keep it exclusive for whatever reason (which given by how it was aired on, for the US, national television, it isn't), they wouldn't have aired it.

By contrast, an example of promotional material that there would be a problem with recording and sharing is, for instance, the IMAX exclusive trailer for Skyfall, which is made very clear that it's exclusive to IMAX theatres and until an official online release, which has at this point taken place, its not intended to be mass-consumed.

I think the point about social media is especially important as well - the studios aren't as archaic when it comes to it and sharing copyrighted content as some people think.

With this particular TV spot, like I said, it aired on FOX last night, which is a publicly and freely accessible television channel in the United States. If it were, say HBO (or Sky channels here in the UK), then we'd have a potential issue.

Edited by antovolk, 24 September 2015 - 03:12 PM.

[Matt_13]

My outlook is that I can't post it because it's not mine. Think that's what I'll stick with.

If it's been on TV, they know people will leak it. Don't see a problem myself. If they didn't want it out there, they wouldn't broadcast it.

This is where I'm coming from. I see it as advertisement either way, but at the same time if they wanted it online I feel like it would in fact be online.

[antovolk]

My outlook is that I can't post it because it's not mine. Think that's what I'll stick with.

If it's been on TV, they know people will leak it. Don't see a problem myself. If they didn't want it out there, they wouldn't broadcast it.

This is where I'm coming from. I see it as advertisement either way, but at the same time if they wanted it online I feel like it would in fact be online.

But them not putting it online is just an oversight on their part. For whatever reason they forget to do it, or simply assume people will record and share it and track it all themselves. Some studios are better at keeping on top of it than others - there's simply too many spots to keep track of. Look at Marvel films, at least 80% of the TV spots that are online for the film were shared and recorded by fans, Marvel are counting on the fans to keep track because, for lack of a better word, they're too lazy to do it themselves. There's zero problem.

To give another example: around 12 TV spots for Steve Jobs were aired on US television. Universal only uploaded 4 of them online. I've tracked down recording and uploaded the others and I've had no problem whatsoever, like the people similarly tracking and uploading the Marvel film spots.

[Jim]

All very fair points and the attitude of the property owners may have developed since some very dark days in the nascent years of this website; whether we can allow our assumptions about their attitude to actually be their attitude is just something some very bitter experience has tended to jaundice my view.

 

On a different tangent, I don't quite understand the rush to put such information on here, but again that may just be me being stodgy.

[antovolk]

All very fair points and the attitude of the property owners may have developed since some very dark days in the nascent years of this website; whether we can allow our assumptions about their attitude to actually be their attitude is just something some very bitter experience has tended to jaundice my view.
 
On a different tangent, I don't quite understand the rush to put such information on here, but again that may just be me being stodgy.

Well we might not know for sure regarding Bond/EON, but other Sony properties, and other examples from Disney and Universal that I mentioned above.....I'd say it's a safer assumption than people think. I've personally been tracking a lot of this sort of stuff and my experience hasn't been nearly as bitter as yours have been. In fact, I remember reading somewhere about the issues with stills/logos etc posted here, and from today's perspective and from perspective of what the other studios/rights holders are doing, it seems archaic and almost ridiculous.

Once again - we haven't had problem with the NBA TV spot in June, where a low quality camera recording and a stream capture were posted before they posted it on their channels, so I don't see a problem here.

Edited by antovolk, 24 September 2015 - 03:22 PM.

[Jim]

Hmmm - my vote is still caution but age probably disenfranchises me anyway. Burned once too often. I'm not sure we're at liberty to make their decisions for them. Might be best not to second-guess them too much.

 

Noted on the "once again" but that doesn't necessarily mean that it was endorsed; might not have spotted it. That a problem's not seen doesn't mean there isn't a problem. This is how diseases and dry rot work.

[thecasinoroyale]

Dear me....can we get this thread back to topic and avoid the legal/illegal debate and just wait for it to debut online and talk about the others for now? Pleeeeeeease.

[antovolk]

In which case - Matt, there's nothing stopping you from still uploading it to somewhere like YouTube, so that people can easily find it, but just refraining from posting the link here to avoid any potential issues happening with this site. In the meantime that may be the best compromise.

There are people outside this forum that are longing to see it too.

Edited by antovolk, 24 September 2015 - 03:30 PM.