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[Hockey Mask]

With all the doom and gloom running around lately with the leaks I decided to take a positive spin on things.

 

With Craig, Mendes and the rest of the talented cast running the store I know SPECTRE will be better than CR67, TMWTGG, TND, AVTAK, MSMA, DAD, MR and DAF.  That already ranks it at #18 on my Bond list.  I wouldn't trade any Bond movie (except CR67).  They are like my children.  I love them unconditionally.

 

So I have to admit I am looking forward to, at least, my 18th favorite Bond.  Can't wait!

[AgenttiNollaNollaSeitsemän]

Hey, I love TMWTGG and place it head ans shoulders above OP for instance but you're absolutely right, there's no chance that we'd be getting a DUD. The sheer talent on board promises at least an average Bond adventure - it might rewrite a few elements we thought were set in the bedrock of the Bond Mythos but apart from the leaks everything else points to a thrilling 007 adventure being in the works. We've overreacted and panicked, but maybe it just shows how dear the character, the Mythos and the franchise is to us. James Bond is Back In Action, that's all that matters!

Edited by AgenttiNollaNollaSeitsemän, 12 December 2014 - 05:59 PM.

[tdalton]

I have a feeling that SPECTRE will be better than a good chunk of the Bond films, even if I'm not overly keen on revisiting Blofeld, SPECTRE, etc.  I feel fairly confident that it will outrank GF, TB, DAF, LALD, TMWTGG, TWINE, DAD, and SF when it's all said and done.

[Hockey Mask]

OP was the first Bond I saw in the theater so it and Roger Moore have a special place in my heart as my "first born".

[Call Billy Bob]

It'll be better than NSNA... which isn't hard to do.

 

And your dislike of GF makes me want to cry, tdalton

[univex]

Many fans love TMWTGG, myself included. Just saying. 

[Call Billy Bob]

With you there, univex.

[Fairbanks]

I'll rank it tentatively at #6 +/- 4. With Waltz vs. Craig, it has to be good. The coolness of the villain is the main factor in whether I enjoy a Bond film. When I dislike a Bond film, it's usually because the villain is non-threatening (NSNA, QOS), forgettable (DN, TND), or nonexistent (OP, TLD). Sometimes a strong central villain is enough to salvage a film that is crummy in every other respect (TMWTGG, AVTAK). Conversely, the absence of a single cool villain can take the shine off an otherwise excellent film (FRWL, TSWLM). I'm a single-issue voter when it comes to Bond films. Give me one villain, make him big and cool, and give him a cool scheme. Don't waste my time with multiple villains, and don't make the villain deliberately lame in order to make Bond look cooler. That's bass-ackwards. For whatever reason, after the disappointment of QOS, the producers seem to have come around to my perspective. SF had a big cool villain, and now they've cast Christoph Waltz. I don't see how a villain played by Christoph Waltz can possibly be boring or peripheral in the manner of Dominic Greene or Georgi Koskov, so I'm stoked for SPECTRE. Purely on the basis of the casting, I expect to enjoy it. 

Edited by Fairbanks, 12 December 2014 - 09:41 PM.

[007jamesbond]

Top 10 Bond movie since there is only 10 real Bond movies.......Moore, Dalton, and PB are fake fraud Bond films 

[sharpshooter]

I can see it resting in my top half and being one of the better entries in the franchise. 

[seawolfnyy]

 

And your dislike of GF makes me want to cry, tdalton

Disliking Goldfinger? Blasphemy!

[byline]

Top 10 Bond movie since there is only 10 real Bond movies.......Moore, Dalton, and PB are fake fraud Bond films 

Can't agree with you there. While I'm not a fan of any of Brosnan's Bond films, I love Dalton's two (especially The Living Daylights), and Moore's For Your Eyes Only is one of my all-time favorite Bond films.

[tdalton]

 

 

And your dislike of GF makes me want to cry, tdalton

Disliking Goldfinger? Blasphemy!

 

 

Never been a fan of Goldfinger.  I know, it's blasphemy, as I've been told many times before.  

 

 

 

Top 10 Bond movie since there is only 10 real Bond movies.......Moore, Dalton, and PB are fake fraud Bond films 

Can't agree with you there. While I'm not a fan of any of Brosnan's Bond films, I love Dalton's two (especially The Living Daylights), and Moore's For Your Eyes Only is one of my all-time favorite Bond films.

 

 

I'd agree with you, byline.  It's a ridiculous statement.  All 23, soon to be 24, films are "real" Bond films.  

[univex]

 

 

 

And your dislike of GF makes me want to cry, tdalton

Disliking Goldfinger? Blasphemy!

 

 

Never been a fan of Goldfinger.  I know, it's blasphemy, as I've been told many times before.  

 

Well, if you mean the novel, I truly understand Now the film...

[Vauxhall]

SPECTRE will undoubtedly be in my top 10 Bond films simply because Mendes, van Hoytema and Gassner will make it look superb. Throw in a bit of Newman's music, and a cast including Craig, Waltz, Bellucci, Fiennes, Whishaw and others, and there's not much that could go wrong. 

 

I'd fancy watching the appalling CATWOMAN film if it had had that production team and cast.

[seawolfnyy]

 

 

 

 

And your dislike of GF makes me want to cry, tdalton

Disliking Goldfinger? Blasphemy!

 

 

Never been a fan of Goldfinger.  I know, it's blasphemy, as I've been told many times before.  

 

Well, if you mean the novel, I truly understand Now the film...

 

Haha, agreed there. The film did manage to fix what was not just a plot hole, but pretty much a plot trench in Goldfinger actually trying to steal all the gold in Fort Knox. Goldfinger, at least IMO, is classic Bond through and through. The novel not so much....

[Iceskater101]

I am looking at this really positively and I am refusing to read the script. I don't want anything spoiled for me.

[dtuba]

I strongly suspect that I will enjoy SPECTRE more than Skyfall. No drama surrounding Dench's M, no "Home Alone" inspired climax, and all of the players are in place. One of my big gripes about SF was the choice to make Moneypenny a failed field agent. Now that she's in place, I can forget that that plot point ever happened (I HOPE). More exotic locations. The 50th anniversary is done, so no more homages and meta-meta-metaphors about how Bond/MI6/The series is old and "played out". Not that I didn't enjoy SF (quite the contrary), but I think we'll be getting a film that's more straight forward, less self-conscious and more comfortable in its own skin.

[sharpshooter]

To those who have seen various leaks and are concerned, (apart from pleading for users to keep it off this site) I say don't fret. You have simply witnessed something all films go through. It's called a drafting process. We must remember the script has undergone changes since then. I can see this being a worthy follow up to Skyfall - more so than Quantum of Solace following up Casino Royale.

 

And as Vauxhall, eloquently put it - the ingredients are all there. 

 

SPECTRE will undoubtedly be in my top 10 Bond films simply because Mendes, van Hoytema and Gassner will make it look superb. Throw in a bit of Newman's music, and a cast including Craig, Waltz, Bellucci, Fiennes, Whishaw and others, and there's not much that could go wrong. 

 

I'd fancy watching the appalling CATWOMAN film if it had had that production team and cast.

Edited by sharpshooter, 14 December 2014 - 09:40 AM.

[Hansen]

OP was the first Bond I saw in the theater so it and Roger Moore have a special place in my heart as my "first born".

Same !

And this is damn good Bond !

[Hansen]

There are leaks. Some have read them. We discuss about them, have an opinion about what we read.

It can be an early draft or not. Whatever.

It is a forum. We are Bond fans. That is definitely the place to express our opinions about what we care so much about.

And I do not see any 'Infringement' here : we are not going to shoot our own Bond before SPECTRE is released.

 

Based on what we read, we like to scare ourselves. That's cool. That brings discussion.

At the end of the day, we will pay our ticket to watch SPECTRE and we will enjoy it (as long as it is better than SF )

[Dustin]

I'm a Bond fan for close to forty years now. I've read an enormous number of articles and books about the series. And learned much more than I ever thought possible. Early ideas saw Doctor No as a monkey, James Bond as a woman, Goldfinger's big bad evil twin, Bond being surgically altered from Connery to Lazenby and Bond being rescued by a chimpanzee. All of that ideas that at one or the other stage of a script were thrown around, often enough quite seriously. None of it you would have guessed when seeing the finished product. As far as I am concerned whatever is out there and toted as information can end up or not or partially or completely changed on the screen, there simply is no telling. Unless you are part of the production team. As none of us is our speculations won't really matter either way. Like most seasoned fans I'd advise to calm down, don't get your nickers in a bunch and leave the hysteria to the hysterics. That's what they are good at and in fact their main raison d'être. Fans and gentlemen will know better.  

[S K Y F A L L]

On paper this film is perfect.

 

Waltz

Batista

Newman

the cinematographor lol

SPECTRE

a new DB10 

Mr. White

a ski chase

 

I'm really excited this time around.

[Call Billy Bob]

I'm still scared to death. I have a really bad habit of reading full synopsis of any book, film or video game I consider. It's the way I gauge my interest and see if I actually want to partake. So I could not resist looking at the SPECTRE leaks... guess a full year of dread is fitting punishment for a lifetime of spoiling myself for everything...

[SecretAgentFan]

I'm a Bond fan for close to forty years now. I've read an enormous number of articles and books about the series. And learned much more than I ever thought possible. Early ideas saw Doctor No as a monkey, James Bond as a woman, Goldfinger's big bad evil twin, Bond being surgically altered from Connery to Lazenby and Bond being rescued by a chimpanzee. All of that ideas that at one or the other stage of a script were thrown around, often enough quite seriously. None of it you would have guessed when seeing the finished product. As far as I am concerned whatever is out there and toted as information can end up or not or partially or completely changed on the screen, there simply is no telling. Unless you are part of the production team. As none of us is our speculations won't really matter either way. Like most seasoned fans I'd advise to calm down, don't get your nickers in a bunch and leave the hysteria to the hysterics. That's what they are good at and in fact their main raison d'être. Fans and gentlemen will know better.  

 

A post that sums up perfectly how the current paranoia should be handled.

[x007AceOfSpades]

 

I'm a Bond fan for close to forty years now. I've read an enormous number of articles and books about the series. And learned much more than I ever thought possible. Early ideas saw Doctor No as a monkey, James Bond as a woman, Goldfinger's big bad evil twin, Bond being surgically altered from Connery to Lazenby and Bond being rescued by a chimpanzee. All of that ideas that at one or the other stage of a script were thrown around, often enough quite seriously. None of it you would have guessed when seeing the finished product. As far as I am concerned whatever is out there and toted as information can end up or not or partially or completely changed on the screen, there simply is no telling. Unless you are part of the production team. As none of us is our speculations won't really matter either way. Like most seasoned fans I'd advise to calm down, don't get your nickers in a bunch and leave the hysteria to the hysterics. That's what they are good at and in fact their main raison d'être. Fans and gentlemen will know better.  

 

A post that sums up perfectly how the current paranoia should be handled.

 

Absolutely. Wonderful. Post.

[Guy Haines]

I agree with Dustin on this being myself a veteran fan of over forty years. If you want an overview of the Bond creative writing process I'd recommend Robert Sellers' "The Battle For Bond" - about the journey from screen treatment to book to film to remake of the story we know as "Thunderball". Also the two books "The Making Of On Her Majesty's Secret Service" and "The Making Of The Living Daylights" by Charles Helfenstein. (Well known to this parish!)

 

What you will find is all kinds of ideas, some sensible, some downright bizarre, and then those which made the final cut of the films. An early screen treatment of what eventually became Thunderball was to have featured an introduction by ex US President Harry Truman. OHMSS went through all kinds of re-writes. And the film which ended up as TLD was to have been a "Bond Begins" feature, originally.

 

Nothing I've seen or heard about in the past few days suggests a finished product or anywhere near it. Based on the track record of CR, QoS and SF, I'd trust that the Bond production team know what they are doing, that Spectre has already gone through more than one rewrite and that the end result next autumn will deliver the goods as expected - or indeed "exSpectred"

[JohnnyWalker]

I know SPECTRE will be better than...every film that isn't a Bond film that year. Not literally but it'll be Bond.

[sharpshooter]

I know SPECTRE will be better than...every film that isn't a Bond film that year. Not literally but it'll be Bond.

It's definitely my most anticipated film for 2015. Nothing else really comes close. The only other one I'm really excited about is Batman v Superman, but that's a 2016 release.

Edited by sharpshooter, 15 December 2014 - 11:41 AM.

[Professor Pi]

QoS.  I think they learned their lesson from rushing a movie without their first choice as a director and a finished script.  And at $250M rumored budget, I think it's going to be, um, ... big.  Hopefully in a good way.