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[bill007]

Casino Royale (2006) - 007's 1st mission.  This is the reboot.  A 30-something James Bond learns the ropes of international espionage and intrigue, and is given a hard lesson in trust, and betrayal.

 

Quantum of Solace (2008) - Unusual title in the beginning, but proves to be fitting.  After Casino Royale, many called for more action.  And it was delivered in QoS.  However, many then claimed it was a brooding Bond, pursed lips and all, bent on revenge.  I'd be Hell-bent-for-leather too, given the circumstances.

 

Skyfall (2012) - A self-imposed vacation due to being wounded, Bond spends his time enjoying scorpion Rum shots.  Once he decides to get back in the game, he realizes peak physical fitness is a perishable skill.  Avenues into Bond's previous life are hinted at, and destroyed; and resurrected.  Gone is the old Aston Martin and homestead.  Here is the new Q and Moneypenny, and a mans-man M.

 

SPECTRE (2015) - This is still Bond in re-boot form.  He has been on the job for 9 years, learning who to trust, and who not to trust.  Bond is now a seasoned 00-agent.  007 is now experienced enough to be dangerous when called for, and cynical enough to make wise-cracks when opportune.

 

 

So, the cinematic James Bond world is now back to where I joined it 50 years ago.  The cool guy, beautiful women, great cars, exotic locations, and the ever perfectly-timed musical scoring.  And, yes, maybe even a neat gadget or two to make him just that bit more cool than the other guy.

[007jamesbond]

We know possible have every character seen in the Connery days appear which fans has demanded........Male M, Moneypenny, Q, SPECTRE is back, and possible Blofeld? Is there any other character that we should see next as part of this re booted timeline 

[Call Billy Bob]

 

Casino Royale (2006) - 007's 1st mission.  This is the reboot.  A 30-something James Bond learns the ropes of international espionage and intrigue, and is given a hard lesson in trust, and betrayal.

 

Quantum of Solace (2008) - Unusual title in the beginning, but proves to be fitting.  After Casino Royale, many called for more action.  And it was delivered in QoS.  However, many then claimed it was a brooding Bond, pursed lips and all, bent on revenge.  I'd be Hell-bent-for-leather too, given the circumstances.

 

Skyfall (2012) - A self-imposed vacation due to being wounded, Bond spends his time enjoying scorpion Rum shots.  Once he decides to get back in the game, he realizes peak physical fitness is a perishable skill.  Avenues into Bond's previous life are hinted at, and destroyed; and resurrected.  Gone is the old Aston Martin and homestead.  Here is the new Q and Moneypenny, and a mans-man M.

 

SPECTRE (2015) - This is still Bond in re-boot form.  He has been on the job for 9 years, learning who to trust, and who not to trust.  Bond is now a seasoned 00-agent.  007 is now experienced enough to be dangerous when called for, and cynical enough to make wise-cracks when opportune.

 

 

So, the cinematic James Bond world is now back to where I joined it 50 years ago.  The cool guy, beautiful women, great cars, exotic locations, and the ever perfectly-timed musical scoring.  And, yes, maybe even a neat gadget or two to make him just that bit more cool than the other guy.

 

LOVE this! Well said, bill!

 

 

We know possible have every character seen in the Connery days appear which fans has demanded........Male M, Moneypenny, Q, SPECTRE is back, and possible Blofeld? Is there any other character that we should see next as part of this re booted timeline 

I want Tiger Tanaka and Tracy in a film or two from now

[DaveBond21]

This is fine but Judi Dench said she was playing the same character in the Brosnan and Craig timelines.

[Call Billy Bob]

This is fine but Judi Dench said she was playing the same character in the Brosnan and Craig timelines.

Now that makes ZERO sense to me.

[007jamesbond]

 

 

Casino Royale (2006) - 007's 1st mission.  This is the reboot.  A 30-something James Bond learns the ropes of international espionage and intrigue, and is given a hard lesson in trust, and betrayal.

 

Quantum of Solace (2008) - Unusual title in the beginning, but proves to be fitting.  After Casino Royale, many called for more action.  And it was delivered in QoS.  However, many then claimed it was a brooding Bond, pursed lips and all, bent on revenge.  I'd be Hell-bent-for-leather too, given the circumstances.

 

Skyfall (2012) - A self-imposed vacation due to being wounded, Bond spends his time enjoying scorpion Rum shots.  Once he decides to get back in the game, he realizes peak physical fitness is a perishable skill.  Avenues into Bond's previous life are hinted at, and destroyed; and resurrected.  Gone is the old Aston Martin and homestead.  Here is the new Q and Moneypenny, and a mans-man M.

 

SPECTRE (2015) - This is still Bond in re-boot form.  He has been on the job for 9 years, learning who to trust, and who not to trust.  Bond is now a seasoned 00-agent.  007 is now experienced enough to be dangerous when called for, and cynical enough to make wise-cracks when opportune.

 

 

So, the cinematic James Bond world is now back to where I joined it 50 years ago.  The cool guy, beautiful women, great cars, exotic locations, and the ever perfectly-timed musical scoring.  And, yes, maybe even a neat gadget or two to make him just that bit more cool than the other guy.

 

LOVE this! Well said, bill!

 

 

We know possible have every character seen in the Connery days appear which fans has demanded........Male M, Moneypenny, Q, SPECTRE is back, and possible Blofeld? Is there any other character that we should see next as part of this re booted timeline 

I want Tiger Tanaka and Tracy in a film or two from now

 

 

I think we will see Tiger Tanaka again rebooted and I already have the best actor to play him. But I don't think we see Tracy for a while. We likely do the original adaption of YOLT at some point during the Craig movies which will likely be the last one 

[DaveBond21]

 

This is fine but Judi Dench said she was playing the same character in the Brosnan and Craig timelines.

Now that makes ZERO sense to me.

 

 

it only doesn't make sense in one scene of Goldeneye.

[Call Billy Bob]

 

 

This is fine but Judi Dench said she was playing the same character in the Brosnan and Craig timelines.

Now that makes ZERO sense to me.

 

 

it only doesn't make sense in one scene of Goldeneye.

 

Huh... To each their own! I prefer two distinct continuities myself.

[DaveBond21]

 

 

 

This is fine but Judi Dench said she was playing the same character in the Brosnan and Craig timelines.

Now that makes ZERO sense to me.

 

 

it only doesn't make sense in one scene of Goldeneye.

 

Huh... To each their own! I prefer two distinct continuities myself.

 

 

Yep I think it works fine either way. I always see George Lazenby saving Tracy from the sea as Bond thinking of Vesper and Venice.

[Call Billy Bob]

 

 

 

 

This is fine but Judi Dench said she was playing the same character in the Brosnan and Craig timelines.

Now that makes ZERO sense to me.

 

 

it only doesn't make sense in one scene of Goldeneye.

 

Huh... To each their own! I prefer two distinct continuities myself.

 

 

Yep I think it works fine either way. I always see George Lazenby saving Tracy from the sea as Bond thinking of Vesper and Venice.

 

Just no 'multiple Bonds' theory...

[DaveBond21]

 

 

 

 

 

This is fine but Judi Dench said she was playing the same character in the Brosnan and Craig timelines.

Now that makes ZERO sense to me.

 

 

it only doesn't make sense in one scene of Goldeneye.

 

Huh... To each their own! I prefer two distinct continuities myself.

 

 

Yep I think it works fine either way. I always see George Lazenby saving Tracy from the sea as Bond thinking of Vesper and Venice.

 

Just no 'multiple Bonds' theory...

 

 

Agreed! :-)

[Call Billy Bob]

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is fine but Judi Dench said she was playing the same character in the Brosnan and Craig timelines.

Now that makes ZERO sense to me.

 

 

it only doesn't make sense in one scene of Goldeneye.

 

Huh... To each their own! I prefer two distinct continuities myself.

 

 

Yep I think it works fine either way. I always see George Lazenby saving Tracy from the sea as Bond thinking of Vesper and Venice.

 

Just no 'multiple Bonds' theory...

 

 

Agreed! :-)

 

My man!

[x007AceOfSpades]

I once believed in the Multiple Bonds theory. ONCE! Briefly, might I add. Then I realized no such thing. James Bond is a timeless character, played by different actors who brought something new to the table with the character, but it's still very much the same 007.

[Call Billy Bob]

Some friends of mine think Bond is a Time Lord, currently on his 6th regeneration...

[HoneyDiamond]

I think we’re all a little scared about rebooting our favorite things.  But it is an eventuality that we must come to grips with.  No absolute timeline will ever make sense, like Batman, and I think we all embrace that to a degree.  I am not okay with them remaking an old film, like Goldfinger or OHMSS.  But at the same time, if they did, it would be SO different from the original that it would be a different movie anyway. 

 

They “rebooted” Spider-Man after only 3 movies! 

 

Reboots are going to happen but I’ve learned to embrace them.  But I am slightly concerned that they don’t know where to go from here.  They are in such a “reboot everything” mode, that they don’t seem to be comfortable just telling a one-off James Bond story. 

 

But hey, I am loving the ride so far.  I don’t know what will happen when the Craig era comes to an end, but part of being a Bond fan is watching it evolve through the ages. 

[x007AceOfSpades]

Some friends of mine think Bond is a Time Lord, currently on his 6th regeneration...

[bill007]

The motivation for this thread was to emphasize the fact that we are in the re-boot world of a new James Bond.  We have seen him learn, grow, and become the super-spy secret agent of the new 21st century.

 

Alternate universes do not exist here.

 

And so, here we are,  SPECTRE fills our fan-tacized minds with all sorts of new possibilities, anchored to things that were, and things yet to come.

 

Danjag has done a great job.

[DaveBond21]

I think it all fits in with the other movies. The story starts with Casino Royale (2006).

 

FRWL features a scene where Bond and M spent time in Tokyo. In Bond 25, Craig's Bond and Fiennes' M will spend time in Tokyo. It's the same timeline.

[Call Billy Bob]

I think it all fits in with the other movies. The story starts with Casino Royale (2006).

 

FRWL features a scene where Bond and M spent time in Tokyo. In Bond 25, Craig's Bond and Fiennes' M will spend time in Tokyo. It's the same timeline.

With the same female M at beginning and end?!?

 

 

 

Some friends of mine think Bond is a Time Lord, currently on his 6th regeneration...

 

I know... huge Doctor Who and Bond fans with too much time to think!

[sharpshooter]

This is fine but Judi Dench said she was playing the same character in the Brosnan and Craig timelines.

I read that more as her approach to the character.

[SkyfallCraig]

Ken Watanabe would be a great Tanaka

[Guy Haines]

I think of the films from CR2006 onwards as a new series of Bond films, albeit with nods and winks to the old ones - the most obvious ones being Dame Judi Dench as M and the Aston Martin DB5. To try and shoehorn the Craig reboot films into the timeline which started in 1962 and, for me at least, ended in 2002 would mean twisting that timeline into knots. The only way I think one could fit the old stories into this new series would be to re-make them, and the film makers have shown no inclination to do this so far.

 

What we have seen in this new series, though, have been one or two themes from the former series and the original books, reproduced in a different form. We had Bond fall in love, only to lose that love in OHMSS in 1969 - and again in CR in 2006. Bond seeks, if not revenge then a form of justice and closure in QoS. In SF Bond "dies" and re-emerges, only to be sent on an impossible mission - a theme borrowed from the novels of YOLT and TMWTGG. And now in.... how are we meant to abbreviate it? Oh, lets call it SPECTRE. In this new film Bond takes on a dangerous enemy - possibly the one he's been fighting from the start, without realising it - and faces a villain he faced in the old series, but in a new context, and possibly with a different personal motive for wanting that villain dead. It's a story that may possibly overspill into another film.

[Call Billy Bob]

I think of the films from CR2006 onwards as a new series of Bond films, albeit with nods and winks to the old ones - the most obvious ones being Dame Judi Dench as M and the Aston Martin DB5. To try and shoehorn the Craig reboot films into the timeline which started in 1962 and, for me at least, ended in 2002 would mean twisting that timeline into knots. The only way I think one could fit the old stories into this new series would be to re-make them, and the film makers have shown no inclination to do this so far.

 

What we have seen in this new series, though, have been one or two themes from the former series and the original books, reproduced in a different form. We had Bond fall in love, only to lose that love in OHMSS in 1969 - and again in CR in 2006. Bond seeks, if not revenge then a form of justice and closure in QoS. In SF Bond "dies" and re-emerges, only to be sent on an impossible mission - a theme borrowed from the novels of YOLT and TMWTGG. And now in.... how are we meant to abbreviate it? Oh, lets call it SPECTRE. In this new film Bond takes on a dangerous enemy - possibly the one he's been fighting from the start, without realising it - and faces a villain he faced in the old series, but in a new context, and possibly with a different personal motive for wanting that villain dead. It's a story that may possibly overspill into another film.

Beautiful Guy - agree 100%

[Bryce (003)]

I think we’re all a little scared about rebooting our favorite things.  But it is an eventuality that we must come to grips with.  No absolute timeline will ever make sense, like Batman, and I think we all embrace that to a degree.  I am not okay with them remaking an old film, like Goldfinger or OHMSS.  But at the same time, if they did, it would be SO different from the original that it would be a different movie anyway. 

 

They “rebooted” Spider-Man after only 3 movies! 

 

Reboots are going to happen but I’ve learned to embrace them.  But I am slightly concerned that they don’t know where to go from here.  They are in such a “reboot everything” mode, that they don’t seem to be comfortable just telling a one-off James Bond story. 

 

But hey, I am loving the ride so far.  I don’t know what will happen when the Craig era comes to an end, but part of being a Bond fan is watching it evolve through the ages. 

 Well said my dear!

[DaveBond21]

I think of the films from CR2006 onwards as a new series of Bond films, albeit with nods and winks to the old ones - the most obvious ones being Dame Judi Dench as M and the Aston Martin DB5. To try and shoehorn the Craig reboot films into the timeline which started in 1962 and, for me at least, ended in 2002 would mean twisting that timeline into knots. The only way I think one could fit the old stories into this new series would be to re-make them, and the film makers have shown no inclination to do this so far.

 

What we have seen in this new series, though, have been one or two themes from the former series and the original books, reproduced in a different form. We had Bond fall in love, only to lose that love in OHMSS in 1969 - and again in CR in 2006. Bond seeks, if not revenge then a form of justice and closure in QoS. In SF Bond "dies" and re-emerges, only to be sent on an impossible mission - a theme borrowed from the novels of YOLT and TMWTGG. And now in.... how are we meant to abbreviate it? Oh, lets call it SPECTRE. In this new film Bond takes on a dangerous enemy - possibly the one he's been fighting from the start, without realising it - and faces a villain he faced in the old series, but in a new context, and possibly with a different personal motive for wanting that villain dead. It's a story that may possibly overspill into another film.

 

That is fine in theory and each to their own, but it all changes when 007 mentions Tracy in Bond 26 and she hasn't been rebooted. Both theories are at the mercy of what the producers do with the franchise and so either can be true.

 

But for me, Bond in FYEO and in DAD both lost Vesper in Venice.

[Peaceful]

This is fine but Judi Dench said she was playing the same character in the Brosnan and Craig timelines.

No disrespect to Dame Judi but I think she was a bit clueless about it all. 
I like to run with the idea that they were separate people.

 

Barbara Mawdsley - Brosnan
Olivia Mansfield - Craig

Some friends of mine think Bond is a Time Lord, currently on his 6th regeneration...

I like your friends lol

[seawolfnyy]

 

This is fine but Judi Dench said she was playing the same character in the Brosnan and Craig timelines.

No disrespect to Dame Judi but I think she was a bit clueless about it all. 
I like to run with the idea that they were separate people.

 

Barbara Mawdsley - Brosnan
Olivia Mansfield - Craig

 

Although the name Barbara Mawdsley only ever appeared in Benson's novels, I tend to agree. She played M in both series, but you can tell they are 2 distinct characters.

 

Also, I thought that after Skyfall the Craig films were in fact prequels to the Connery films. However, I think Bond 2....sorry SPECTRE will clear that up. If this is the first time Bond ever meets SPECTRE and You Know Who, then it will be confirmed that they are in fact 2 seperate series.

[Peaceful]

So speaking of re-boot, anyone else notice the Connery/Craig similarities with this latest film?

 

4th film, one word title
4th film proper intro to SPECTRE
Lead Bond girl French actress
2nd Bond girl Italian actress

locations are different ........................................ don't wanna say it - North African location like Never Say Never Again.  ..... sorry lol

All a coincidence? Probably. Just being an over thinking fangirl  

 

 

This is fine but Judi Dench said she was playing the same character in the Brosnan and Craig timelines.

No disrespect to Dame Judi but I think she was a bit clueless about it all. 
I like to run with the idea that they were separate people.

 

Barbara Mawdsley - Brosnan
Olivia Mansfield - Craig

 

Although the name Barbara Mawdsley only ever appeared in Benson's novels, I tend to agree. She played M in both series, but you can tell they are 2 distinct characters.

 

Also, I thought that after Skyfall the Craig films were in fact prequels to the Connery films. However, I think Bond 2....sorry SPECTRE will clear that up. If this is the first time Bond ever meets SPECTRE and You Know Who, then it will be confirmed that they are in fact 2 seperate series.

 

Agreed

[DrShatterhand]

Guy Haines...couldn't have put it better myself. CR was a 'soft' reboot of the series, in that it took Bond back to the start story and character-wise, while retaining Dench as a way for the audience make a connection with what had gone on before.

Everything since then with a connection to the old series e.g. the DB5, Moneypenny, New Q have been reverential nods. The end of Skyfall for me really reinforced this, it was EONs way of saying, hey we love the old series as much as you guys but after 50 years there's no point in pretending this is a continuation (which, let's be honest, after Moore was hardly attempted, apart from a couple of brief mentions of having a dead wife)

All in all, a new way of telling an old story. Here's to 50 more years

[RMc2]

So speaking of re-boot, anyone else notice the Connery/Craig similarities with this latest film?

 

4th film, one word title
4th film proper intro to SPECTRE
Lead Bond girl French actress
2nd Bond girl Italian actress

locations are different ........................................ don't wanna say it - North African location like Never Say Never Again.  ..... sorry lol

All a coincidence? Probably. Just being an over thinking fangirl

 

 

This is fine but Judi Dench said she was playing the same character in the Brosnan and Craig timelines.

No disrespect to Dame Judi but I think she was a bit clueless about it all. 
I like to run with the idea that they were separate people.

 

Barbara Mawdsley - Brosnan
Olivia Mansfield - Craig

 

Although the name Barbara Mawdsley only ever appeared in Benson's novels, I tend to agree. She played M in both series, but you can tell they are 2 distinct characters.

 

Also, I thought that after Skyfall the Craig films were in fact prequels to the Connery films. However, I think Bond 2....sorry SPECTRE will clear that up. If this is the first time Bond ever meets SPECTRE and You Know Who, then it will be confirmed that they are in fact 2 seperate series.

 

Agreed

 

Great point about the similarities!

 

Plus the whole '1st film introduces shady organisation', '2nd film shows the organisation at work but doesn't resolve the suplot', '3rd film ignores the evil organisation, is a stand-alone story' pattern of the Craig films.

 

 

I see Craig's films as a completely separate series to the others - which is why SF's Aston Martin effs with my mind so much every time I see it. Way to ruin the continuity, Mendes.

Edited by RMc, 05 December 2014 - 11:32 AM.