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[Odd Jobbies]

According to a very unreliable source.
 
In fact, EON offered the film to Mendes who wanted more time for his theatre projects, and DC wanted Mendes to return - as did MGM and SONY.
 
Has EON met with other directors?  Sure, just like they meet actors.  Did they meet Refn?  Probably.  But that´s it.

So you're calling Refn a liar?

[SecretAgentFan]

Yes.  As most show business people are, especially those who need to polish their image in the media.

[Odd Jobbies]

Ok, well for someone who's defended the lteps of P&W beforehand I think it's a little rich to now be ridiculing others in the industry.

Youve said a few times that Refn isn't suitable so I guess you're having a tough time with this news, but I think calling him a liar is a bit much!

[SecretAgentFan]

Are you related or a close friend of Refn´s?  Why does it offend you if I say that everybody lies to the press, and since I am working within the industry I have first-hand experience of that.

 

As for P & W - I´m not defending what they have said in interviews, I´m defending screen writers everywhere since too many people think they can judge a script based on watching the movie.  Which is as absurd as judging a movie if you only have read the script.  And if P & W are constantly criticized by fanboys on the internet, just based on the movies that these scripts were turned into, it only speaks of a lack of knowledge how a script is put together, how many drafts have to be written because studio executives, producers, directors and actors (and their entourage) not only want changes but their ideas incorporated - no matter how ridiculous those are.  The fact that a film still can be made after such a torturous process actually speaks for any writer who fights his way through this and remains working within the business.

[Orion]

Are you related or a close friend of Refn´s?  Why does it offend you if I say that everybody lies to the press, and since I am working within the industry I have first-hand experience of that.

 

As for P & W - I´m not defending what they have said in interviews, I´m defending screen writers everywhere since too many people think they can judge a script based on watching the movie.  Which is as absurd as judging a movie if you only have read the script.  And if P & W are constantly criticized by fanboys on the internet, just based on the movies that these scripts were turned into, it only speaks of a lack of knowledge how a script is put together, how many drafts have to be written because studio executives, producers, directors and actors (and their entourage) not only want changes but their ideas incorporated - no matter how ridiculous those are.  The fact that a film still can be made after such a torturous process actually speaks for any writer who fights his way through this and remains working within the business.

This.


​Tamahori even gloated about things he wanted in the DAD script that P&W didn't and had EVERYONE nervous about before release. It was essentially a shopping list of everything that people hated about that film - tsunami surfing and ice palace car chase being chief among them.

[Odd Jobbies]

I too work in the industry and have encountered my fair share of BS. However, to state in an interview that he was offered Spectre is taking it a little too far. He's bound to be called out on it and has as of yet not been.
Rern seems to be the last person to BS about such things - he doesn't appear to care less what the industry thing of him which is made clear by his artistic choices.
I can't imagine how you can be so certain about your assessment that he's lying - is it because it doesn't fit in with the opinions you have about BB and how she thinks?

Until proven otherwise I think it's fair to take Refn at his word, even if this does force some people to reivaluate how BB thinks.

IMO Refn fits in with eon's MO since the reboot.
X including Craig's casting. I mooted Craig and was very excited with his casting and equally so by Refn's statement that he was offered Spectre.

Bye, apologies for typos, I'm typing on the move

[# 11]

It's old news, btw.

http://www.firstshow...-the-next-bond/

[Odd Jobbies]

Nice find. That IV suggests he was in the mix, but the new one goes further to confirm, according to Refn, that he was offered the film.

[Harmsway]

I don't like Refn, but I'm sure they spoke with him.

[Odd Jobbies]

So do you also think Refn is lying when he said they offered him Spectre (see the second link I posted on previous page)

[Odd Jobbies]

So do you also think Refn is lying when he said they offered him Spectre (see the second link I posted on previous page)

[Pierceuhhh]

Purvis & Wade's first draft of TWINE - with the jet-pack and tram fight and Polynesian Christmas Jones - is actually worse than the finished product. The one-sentence synopsis makes it sound more fun that it actually is! It's thin, dumb, and all the nonsensical plotting that sinks TWINE was intact from its very conception. It should never have proceeded past that point, and to think that they're STILL on the series is mind-boggling.

The recent JAMES BOND ARCHIVES book also goes into detail on the original SKYFALL script they produced - with a dreary-sounding subway finale and the completely unacceptable title NOTHING IS FOREVER or something equally unmemorable. For them even to suggest that as a title shows that they're unfit to be doing what they're doing. It's an Austin Powers parody title!

Maybe they're lovely people who the Broccolis enjoy working with - in which case, fine, make them production managers or something, but PLEASE find new creative talent!

[Harmsway]

So do you also think Refn is lying when he said they offered him Spectre (see the second link I posted on previous page)

No. Refn might be overstating how firm the conversation was (these were almost certainly initial talks, nothing official), but I believe him when he says that they approached him and asked him if he would do it.

After all, there was a lengthy period before Mendes came back on board.

[SecretAgentFan]

I too work in the industry and have encountered my fair share of BS. However, to state in an interview that he was offered Spectre is taking it a little too far. He's bound to be called out on it and has as of yet not been.
Rern seems to be the last person to BS about such things - he doesn't appear to care less what the industry thing of him which is made clear by his artistic choices.
I can't imagine how you can be so certain about your assessment that he's lying - is it because it doesn't fit in with the opinions you have about BB and how she thinks?

 

 

As I said: they might have talked to him and sorted out whether he would be interested.  That, however, is not an offer.

 

There won´t be any calling out on it, of course, because - what would be the point?  This is not how it is done, as you must know as an industry insider.

 

But I do get the feeling that you are falling victim to the image making and damage controlling industry people are practicing.  Refn "doesn´t appear to care less what the industry thinks of him which is made clear by his artistic choices"?

 

C´mon.  His USP is the "tortured, idiosyncratic artist", the "rebel outsider".  After "Drive" that worked pretty well for him and he was the flavour of the month.  Then he had to deliver on that - and both succeeding films left critics and audiences cold, even spiteful.  "The Neon Demon", his current film, has been ridiculed at Cannes and made him persona non grata in Hollywood.  That´s why he´s giving interviews right now to make him appear more interesting and palatable.  Saying that he was offered a Bond film - and then rejecting it because he is too much of an auteur - just enforces that.

[Odd Jobbies]

Purvis & Wade's first draft of TWINE - with the jet-pack and tram fight and Polynesian Christmas Jones - is actually worse than the finished product. The one-sentence synopsis makes it sound more fun that it actually is! It's thin, dumb, and all the nonsensical plotting that sinks TWINE was intact from its very conception. It should never have proceeded past that point, and to think that they're STILL on the series is mind-boggling.

The recent JAMES BOND ARCHIVES book also goes into detail on the original SKYFALL script they produced - with a dreary-sounding subway finale and the completely unacceptable title NOTHING IS FOREVER or something equally unmemorable. For them even to suggest that as a title shows that they're unfit to be doing what they're doing. It's an Austin Powers parody title!

Maybe they're lovely people who the Broccolis enjoy working with - in which case, fine, make them production managers or something, but PLEASE find new creative talent!

Indeedy

[Odd Jobbies]

We'll never really know just how far the talks went with Refn. Those talks were pre-Only God Forgives and on the superb strength of Pusher, Bronson, Valhalla Rising and Drive it makes complete sense that he'd have been approached..

 

So back to my original point in posting this new interview with Refn (before the 'he's a liar'  debate). I find it a breath of fresh air that BB is looking at such auteurs (and i think that word genuinely applies to Refn in the truest sense). It opens up this thread to a broader range of filmmakers than perhaps we'd (or i'd) thought permissible for Eon. Sure, i've thrown these names around in this thread, but only in the 'fantasy football' sense. Now it seems there's cause for genuine consideration of 'art house' fillmmakers such as Refn.

 

Another director i've given only an outside chance to, but would love to see direct Bond is Jonathan Glazer. Perhaps now he's not such an impossibly after all. Under The Skin is an outright beautiful and bonkers as you like art film, but his debut, Sexy Beast is essentially mainstream and in my personal top 5 movies of all time with an unforgettable villain in Ben Kingsley's Don Logan - is there a better screen-villain performance out there?

 

Because the likes of Refn and Glazer have gone 'off-campus' to have artistic control over their passion pieces doesn't mean they can't also work within the system on other pieces. With Drive and Sexy Beast on their resumes they may perhaps always be on BB's list if they should desire to make a 'studio movie'. In fact Eon's tight nit collaboration might be the perfect vehicle for artistically orientated fillmakers to dabble in such collaborations while being a little more insulated from the studio than is usual by the clout of BB.

[Vauxhall]

I had memories of Refn being linked to SPECTRE, which I was fine with at the time, but he sounds very difficult from that interview.

Still rooting for Tyldum for BOND 25.

[Odd Jobbies]

Looks like Neon Demon is garnering support. Mark Kamode is a very well respected print & tv film critic in the UK, best known as The BBC News channel's chief critic. He's never one to mince his words, or give credit where none is due and he has a lot of love for Refn's movie:

 

https://www.theguard...-film_b-gdnfilm

 

I haven't had the chance to see myself yet, but am now looking forward to it.

[Shrublands]

So do you also think Refn is lying when he said they offered him Spectre (see the second link I posted on previous page)

 

I think he is exaggerating.

They always wanted Mendes, I think they approached Refn as a back-up plan (amongst others), he may have said 'no' at some point, but not to a firm offer.

 

He's now giving his version of events for publicity and self-aggrandisement. 

[Odd Jobbies]

Maybe, maybe not.

[S K Y F A L L]

Is Guy Ritchie a real contender?

I thought I read BB enjoyed The Man from U.N.C.L.E. was there every a rumored meeting with him?

[Odd Jobbies]

Indeed UNCLE was pretty enjoyable. But the likelihood of BB giving him the gig is zero imo.

 

But you never know, maybe they'll be more than just an enjoyable exterior to his forthcoming King Arthur movie.

 

Although, with Charlie Hunnam in the titular role, who's acting repertoire consists of a K9 head-tilt for sympathy and throwing back of the hair for angry - always to be followed by the extended sulk, no, i doubt this movie will delve much deeper than a very pleasing montage of music, image, movement and colour.

[Toxteth_OGrady]

And once again...

http://www.mirror.co...o-start-8859539

[Orion]

​ok...won't bother pointing out all the factual errors there. You'd think these people would at least consult Wikipedia before making up these "stories"

[SecretAgentFan]

Maybe I am too excited about this - but what factual errors are in that article?  

 

Sure, it is the popular "a source told me" that starts this article.  But I could very well imagine that Guy Richie might be a director EON would like to re-start the franchise. 

 

If true Bond would definitely move into the "more fun-territory" again.  And he should delve deeply into its treasures.

 

Sorry, couldn´t help myself here.

[Orion]

Just for the sake of discussion, and because a morbid part of me wants a Roger Mooresque reading of the words "delve deeply into it's treasures" and Guy Richie is the only director I can see wanting to take us back to those days of double taking pigeons and a farewell to any form of internal logic:

If, for some reason, WB ends up as distributor (emphasis on the if) I suppose they'd at least want him considered, as they do seem fond of him.

Edit: Out of curiosity, I actually just typed EON productions into google just to see how long it would actually take to get their adress for the sake of one of these articles. It came up as the first link.

[Odd Jobbies]

About as much chance as this happening as Jason Statham being his Bond. If Babs wants Bond 25 to be a feature length ad then he's her man. I'm doubting it.

 

And by the looks of the really poor trailer for his new King Arthur movie i doubt his chances will improve.

 

In his defence if you go into a Guy Ritchie movie hoping for a Guy Richie movie they can be a lot a fun, as are his Sherlock movies. But Bond shouldn't be reduced to to formula and superficial style

[Harmsway]

THE MAN FROM U.N.C.L.E. was much, much better than SPECTRE.

I could dig a Ritchie Bond movie, but somehow I doubt that he will be the guy.

[Odd Jobbies]

Uncle was a lot of fun, Armie Hammer being particularly good value.

 

But the story, plotting and characterisation are treaded like dialogue in porn movie; "Yadda yadda, this'n that, whatever, lets have another action scene..."

 

Rather than let actor's act to create their characters he instead creates iconic slow-mo moments that brand the character so that he no longer needs to waste time on characterisation.

 

I don't want to see Bond characterised by a freeze frame with a burst of the theme and slow-mo at every opportunity. I'd prefer to carry on liking the occasional Guy Richie movie, rather than hate him for his Bond movie. But maybe i'm alone in that!

[Dustin]

Would Guy Ritchie not be better suited for an adaptation of The Avengers? Talking about the TV series here.