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[RedsBaron]

jmarks4life's criteria to qualify as a Bond girl includes girls that Bond slept with (logically enough), therefore Fiona, Corrine and Xenia would of course be considered Bond girls using this criteria.

 I don't recall Bond sleeping with Xenia. They had a "romp" of sorts in the steam room which ended with Bond saying "No more foreplay. Take me to Janus."

[jmarks4life]

Does that mean girls like Fiona Volpe, Corrine Dufour, Xenia Onatopp are not Bond girls to you...?

I wouldn't consider Xenia a Bond girl, cause Bond didn't sleep with her and she wasn't a leading lady in the movie. I would say she's a pretty non Bond girl to die though

Edited by jmarks4life, 07 June 2013 - 07:32 PM.

[billy007]

I don't feel that a female needs to sleep with 007 to be considered a Bond Girl<br />Moneypenny is a Bond Girl<br />M in Skyfall is a Bond Lady/Woman<br />Dink in Goldfinger could be a Bond Girl simply by right of Margret Nolan's Playboy pictorial and being "the golden girl" during the credits.<br />Technically, 007 did not sleep with Xenia<br />With regret we have to consider Mary Goodnight in MWTGG a Bond Girl.

[tdalton]

 

jmarks4life's criteria to qualify as a Bond girl includes girls that Bond slept with (logically enough), therefore Fiona, Corrine and Xenia would of course be considered Bond girls using this criteria.

 I don't recall Bond sleeping with Xenia. They had a "romp" of sorts in the steam room which ended with Bond saying "No more foreplay. Take me to Janus."

 

 

Correct.  I think Xenia falls into the henchman category moreso than any of the other categories that the characters in the Bond films tend to get labeled with.

 

With regards to the original question posed, I'd cast my vote for Gemma Arterton.

[sharpshooter]

With regards to the original question posed, I'd cast my vote for Gemma Arterton.

 

Good choice, tdalton. Gemma is undoubtedly cute. I still remember the promotional shot of her clinging to sheets, leaning forward on the edge of the bed. A shame about her limited screen-time, but that's a compliment if anything. I was left wanting more. 

Edited by sharpshooter, 08 June 2013 - 07:22 AM.

[jmarks4life]

I don't feel that a female needs to sleep with 007 to be considered a Bond Girl<br />Moneypenny is a Bond Girl<br />M in Skyfall is a Bond Lady/Woman<br />Dink in Goldfinger could be a Bond Girl simply by right of Margret Nolan's Playboy pictorial and being "the golden girl" during the credits.<br />Technically, 007 did not sleep with Xenia<br />With regret we have to consider Mary Goodnight in MWTGG a Bond Girl.

That's why they're titled "Bond Girls", cus they either slept with or finished the movie with Bond. So Mary Goodnight & Tiffany Case would be considered Bond girls. Moneypenny & M are probably considered Bond girls cus they work with Bond.

Edited by jmarks4life, 08 June 2013 - 10:10 AM.

[tdalton]

 

With regards to the original question posed, I'd cast my vote for Gemma Arterton.

 

 A shame about her limited screen-time, but that's a compliment if anything. I was left wanting more. 

 

 

Agreed.  Even though I love the way in which they conclude Fields' arc in Quantum of Solace and the dialogue between Bond and M that is a result of her meeting her end, I kind of wish that they could have hung on to Fields and perhaps used her character for Moneypenny rather than spending as much of Skyfall as they did developing Moneypenny into an action-hero type of character.  I think Arterton could have brought some elements of Maxwell's portrayal of Moneypenny to the character while also making it fresh at the same time, and we would have had enough development between Bond and her character to make their relationship what it would need to be without having to make Fields an actual field agent in order to accomplish it, as they did in Skyfall.

[jmarks4life]

With regards to the original question posed, I'd cast my vote for Gemma Arterton.

A shame about her limited screen-time, but that's a compliment if anything. I was left wanting more.

Agreed. Even though I love the way in which they conclude Fields' arc in Quantum of Solace and the dialogue between Bond and M that is a result of her meeting her end, I kind of wish that they could have hung on to Fields and perhaps used her character for Moneypenny rather than spending as much of Skyfall as they did developing Moneypenny into an action-hero type of character. I think Arterton could have brought some elements of Maxwell's portrayal of Moneypenny to the character while also making it fresh at the same time, and we would have had enough development between Bond and her character to make their relationship what it would need to be without having to make Fields an actual field agent in order to accomplish it, as they did in Skyfall.

Isn't Craig's Bond all prequels? The franchise is portraying Eve(Moneypenny) before we knew her as a secratary. I think it's kinda cool that she was a field agent before her current position. Now in regards to Fields, I wish she could've had more film time too. Making Eve the new Moneypenny IMO was cool cus since Craig took over as Bond some of the classic characters have been African-American, and being African-American I'm ok with that. So long as they don't make Bond, Q, or M African-American(maybe M at some point, but not now) lol

[jmarks4life]

Naomi is not a "true" Bond girl in the sense that Bond slept with her or she finished a mission with him. She was just a beautiful woman Bond happened to come in contact with.

I consider Naomi to be one of the ones who got away like Tilly Masterston, Camille, and Miss Jenny Flex, another one who definitely needs to be added to this thread:

I know I said Bond girls, but I gotta throw in a non Bond girl that is very hot. Naomi(Strombergs personal pilot), from TSWLM

I consider Naomi very much a Bond girl and one of my faves.

How about Corine Clery in Moonraker? It was the first Bond film I saw on the big screen at the age of 11. I remember her death scene, as I was sitting in the theatre on the edge of my seat, hoping 007 would suddenly arrive and shoot the dogs with his wrist dart gun. Alas, it was not to be.

Yes, a very beautiful woman indeed! Personally, I thought she had that classic 'Ingrid Bergman'-look about her.

As for 007's failure to rescue her, every time I watch Moonraker it occurs to me that it is a cold, thoughtless, 'non-007' moment for our favorite spy (and to have a such paragon of "charming nice guys" like Roger Moore act that way made it all the worse!) Put yourself in Bond's shoes for a moment - you narrowly escape death in the G-Force machine - which leaves you with the distinct impression that all is not kosher at Drax Industries. So, you seek out an ally within the organization, namely Corrine. After seducing her, you - albeit not intentionally - incriminate her in your efforts at snooping around her (clearly dangerous) employer's office. The next day, you casually shoot a would-be sniper hidden in the trees (in front of a stone-faced Drax no less! - A major hint as to what kind of madman you're dealing with!) just to show Drax that you're onto his shenanigans and, after this failed second attempt on your life, you go about your merry way without a thought or care for Corrine (who you just bedded hours earlier)?!? WTF!?!

Clearly this isn't the same 007 who had to basically be dragged away from Tilly Masterson's corpse by Goldfinger's goons (and she was a pain in the ass who not only endangered his mission but rebuffed his sexual advances!) or even the Bond who loses his S*** in a damn-near pointless and dangerous gun battle on the grounds of Palmyra after he finds Paula's corpse in the bowels of Largo's estate, or even the Bond who tried to stop Rosie Carver (a stupid twit of a double-agent who betrayed him!) from running towards her death. Nope... James Bond.1979 just goes onto Venice seemingly without a thought or care for the poor, doomed Corrine's welfare. Personally, I never understood it.

I guess we should be grateful that he showed at least some remorse over the death of the Countess Lisl von Schlaf on the beach in For Your Eyes Only!

I recommend you read Christopher Wood's novelization James Bond and Moonraker. In Venice, Holly tells Bond of Trudi's(the novel's name for the beautiful helicopter pilot character who would eventually become Corrine in the film version) fatal "accident" with the dogs in the woods and he gets very upset to the point of almost vomiting.

Thanks for the heads up! I'm ashamed to admit that I've got that book in my collection, but haven't picked it up in many a years. Glad to hear that Mr. Wood addressed this subject in his novel - I recall him taking great efforts in "filling in the blanks" regarding TSWLM and MR plot-points. However, (at the risk of sounding unthankful to your input) my overall point still stands - despite Mr. Wood's efforts in letting us know how 007 felt after Corrine's (or Trudi's) death, it seems unlike 007 to "leave a girl hanging." Even if his efforts proved to be unsuccessful, the 007 I'm familiar with would have at least made a cursory effort to get Corrine to freedom.

On a practical note - Do you know how hard it is to talk my girlfriend into seeing one of "my" 007 movies? For the most part, I can at least say with some certainty, "Look, some women will die in this movie (especially in the middle) but, be assured the hero (I've forced you to watch for two hours) will not rest until there deaths are avenged. If nothing else, Bond protects his women, or at lease, avenges them. (FYI - 007's ability to "take care" of his women is the reason most women find the Bond character so attractive - most women desire a "real" man who can take care of them (as in the extreme level of physical danger like protecting them against deadly tyrant-bosses like Goldfinger or Drax, AND NOT (to be perfectly clear) mean that in the scene of "to take care of them" in regards to outdated notions like "I provide the roof over your head, so you do as I say", "I'm the head of the household because I (the man) earn the paycheck", or other such nonsense. No, I'm talking about the universal concept of 'surrender' of faith that comes after a person (man, woman, or Corrine) experiences when they have found that 'person' they find they can fully trust.) In that regard, 007 broke that sacred 'vow' - if you'll forgive the expression - in Moonraker by letting Corrine take the full brunt of his actions and subsequently Drax's wrath. Vomiting in the canals of Venice aside, that was a 'jerk' move and certainly not worthy of Roger Moore's (or Connery's, Lazenby's, et al) tenure.

But thanks again for reminding me of Mr. Wood's efforts Bill.

You are most welcome but the name is Khan. PrinceKamalKhan.

I totally agree those were all women who got away. I would've loved a love scene with Bond & Naomi.

Edited by jmarks4life, 08 June 2013 - 03:26 PM.

[tdalton]

 

 

 

With regards to the original question posed, I'd cast my vote for Gemma Arterton.

A shame about her limited screen-time, but that's a compliment if anything. I was left wanting more.

Agreed. Even though I love the way in which they conclude Fields' arc in Quantum of Solace and the dialogue between Bond and M that is a result of her meeting her end, I kind of wish that they could have hung on to Fields and perhaps used her character for Moneypenny rather than spending as much of Skyfall as they did developing Moneypenny into an action-hero type of character. I think Arterton could have brought some elements of Maxwell's portrayal of Moneypenny to the character while also making it fresh at the same time, and we would have had enough development between Bond and her character to make their relationship what it would need to be without having to make Fields an actual field agent in order to accomplish it, as they did in Skyfall.

Isn't Craig's Bond all prequels? The franchise is portraying Eve(Moneypenny) before we knew her as a secratary. I think it's kinda cool that she was a field agent before her current position. Now in regards to Fields, I wish she could've had more film time too. Making Eve the new Moneypenny IMO was cool cus since Craig took over as Bond some of the classic characters have been African-American, and being African-American I'm ok with that. So long as they don't make Bond, Q, or M African-American(maybe M at some point, but not now) lol

 

 

They're not really prequels per se.  They're supposed to be (although I think they didn't go anywhere near far enough in doing so) a completely separate timeline.  The main problems that I had with Eve ending up as Moneypenny were that I don't particularly care for the idea of Eve being a field agent who goes on missions with Bond and then ends up behind the desk flirting with him before every mission.  Secondly, I just didn't care all that much for the Eve character anyway.  I found her to be rather annoying.

[jmarks4life]

With regards to the original question posed, I'd cast my vote for Gemma Arterton.

A shame about her limited screen-time, but that's a compliment if anything. I was left wanting more.

Agreed. Even though I love the way in which they conclude Fields' arc in Quantum of Solace and the dialogue between Bond and M that is a result of her meeting her end, I kind of wish that they could have hung on to Fields and perhaps used her character for Moneypenny rather than spending as much of Skyfall as they did developing Moneypenny into an action-hero type of character. I think Arterton could have brought some elements of Maxwell's portrayal of Moneypenny to the character while also making it fresh at the same time, and we would have had enough development between Bond and her character to make their relationship what it would need to be without having to make Fields an actual field agent in order to accomplish it, as they did in Skyfall.

Isn't Craig's Bond all prequels? The franchise is portraying Eve(Moneypenny) before we knew her as a secratary. I think it's kinda cool that she was a field agent before her current position. Now in regards to Fields, I wish she could've had more film time too. Making Eve the new Moneypenny IMO was cool cus since Craig took over as Bond some of the classic characters have been African-American, and being African-American I'm ok with that. So long as they don't make Bond, Q, or M African-American(maybe M at some point, but not now) lol

They're not really prequels per se. They're supposed to be (although I think they didn't go anywhere near far enough in doing so) a completely separate timeline. The main problems that I had with Eve ending up as Moneypenny were that I don't particularly care for the idea of Eve being a field agent who goes on missions with Bond and then ends up behind the desk flirting with him before every mission. Secondly, I just didn't care all that much for the Eve character anyway. I found her to be rather annoying.

Thank goodness she's now behind the desk now lol!! I wonder if she'll be in Bond 24. They've yet to have another 00 work with Bond in the Craig era. Maybe that'll be the next thing. Of course the other 00 will likely die. Any thoughts?

[ARLOO7]

Sorry, this is totally ignoring the parameters of the question, but I always thought Carver's PR lady was hot, and felt bad she got canned because of Bond.

 

[jmarks4life]

Her reaction made it worse for me. I felt totally bad for her

[Moore'sStuntDouble]

Still think Sophie Marceau is one of the most beautiful women to grace the series. RIP, Elektra. 

[Iceskater101]

I agree Sophie Marceau is gorgeous but is she a Bond girl? because she is also a villain.

[I never miss]

A vote for Naomi if we are talking about any girl dying in a Bond movie. If its purely girls he's been with then Lana Wood wasn't too shabby.

[jmarks4life]

I agree Sophie Marceau is gorgeous but is she a Bond girl? because she is also a villain.

A vote for Naomi if we are talking about any girl dying in a Bond movie. If its purely girls he's been with then Lana Wood wasn't too shabby.

I don't consider Sophie a Bond girl cause Bond didn't sleep with her or finish the movie with her. Naomi is a good pick though

Edited by jmarks4life, 25 July 2013 - 02:03 AM.

[graric]

 

I agree Sophie Marceau is gorgeous but is she a Bond girl? because she is also a villain.

A vote for Naomi if we are talking about any girl dying in a Bond movie. If its purely girls he's been with then Lana Wood wasn't too shabby.

I don't consider Sophie a Bond girl cause Bond didn't sleep with her or finish the movie with her. Naomi is a good pick though

 

He did sleep with Elektra (Sophie Marceau.) Right after the Casino sequence they have a sex scene, before he sneaks out takes Davidoff's place and flies to Kazakhstan. As for not finishing the movie with her, he can't exactly do that if she dies first!

I'm suprised by how few times Vesper (Eva Green) has been mentioned, and even more surprised no one has mentioned Diana Rigg yet!

So I'll vote for those two (although there are more than enough to make a top 10 at least!)
 

Edited by graric, 25 July 2013 - 09:46 AM.

[Hansen]

I can't believe that nobody mentionned Tracy !

Hey, guys, it's Diana Rigg ! Mrs Peel !

[Goldengun007]

I have to cast my vote for Jill Masterson (Shirley Eaton).  As a young lad, seeing Goldfinger for the first time, there was no sexier woman for Bond than Jill!

[Grard Bond]

Caroline Munro is my favorite Bondgirl who died. Wow! What is she sexy and hot! Especialy when she gives Bond a wink before she's shooting at him from/with the helicopter.

For me every woman who is in a Bondmovie is a Bondgirl (sort of).

If the rule is: Bond has to sleep with her and/or finish the story/movie with her otherwise she's not a Bondgirl, then  even Olga Kurylenko is not a Bondgirl.

Ofcourse that's  ridiculous.

Edited by Grard Bond, 28 July 2013 - 08:44 AM.

[jmarks4life]

I agree Sophie Marceau is gorgeous but is she a Bond girl? because she is also a villain.

A vote for Naomi if we are talking about any girl dying in a Bond movie. If its purely girls he's been with then Lana Wood wasn't too shabby.

I don't consider Sophie a Bond girl cause Bond didn't sleep with her or finish the movie with her. Naomi is a good pick though

He did sleep with Elektra (Sophie Marceau.) Right after the Casino sequence they have a sex scene, before he sneaks out takes Davidoff's place and flies to Kazakhstan. As for not finishing the movie with her, he can't exactly do that if she dies first!
I'm suprised by how few times Vesper (Eva Green) has been mentioned, and even more surprised no one has mentioned Diana Rigg yet!
So I'll vote for those two (although there are more than enough to make a top 10 at least!)

I stand corrected there. Some Bond women I only know by their charater names lol.

Caroline Munro is my favorite Bondgirl who died. Wow! What is she sexy and hot! Especialy when she gives Bond a wink before she's shooting at him from/with the helicopter.
For me every woman who is in a Bondmovie is a Bondgirl (sort of).
If the rule is: Bond has to sleep with her and/or finish the story/movie with her otherwise she's not a Bondgirl, then  even Olga Kurylenko is not a Bondgirl.
Ofcourse that's  ridiculous.

Every Bond girl there is, is a Bond girl cause they slept with Bond(some lived some died afterward), or finished the movie with Bond cause they were the leading lady in the film. Caroline is IMO one of the hottest women in the series. *heart pumping fast*

[billy007]

If you have the chance to meet Caroline at a convention GO FOR IT!  She's just as sexy 30 years later, and she still draws the attention of every red blooded man in the room. She treats all fans (all ages)with respect as long as they don't act like drooling fanboys.

[jmarks4life]

I'll take that advice, if I ever get a chance to meet her. Thanks

[Grard Bond]

But if the rule is she has to sleep with Bond and/or finish the movie with him than technical she is not a Bondgirl, with I think is ridiculous.

Same for Lynn Holly Johnson, Famke Janssen and caracters like Tilly Masterston, Jenny Flex etc...

There is no rule for who is a Bondgirl, or not. I have never heard of a thing like that.

If Bondfan, expert and 007 Magazine publicist and editor  Graham Rye would have followed that rule, he wouldn't have had so much pages for his "The James Bondgirls" books.

Edited by Grard Bond, 05 August 2013 - 04:00 PM.

[George White]

Why has no one mentioned Tracy?

Or is she not dead? My mam said to me when I first saw it on the television, "she's only tired!". I knew better, even age 4.

[The Krynoid man]

I want to say Fiona Volpe, but that's probably because I've always had a thing for redheads.
I do also agree about Tracy, Diana Rigg was a beautiful woman in the 60's.

[jmarks4life]

Lol! I have that same thing for red heads too so I like your choice as well.

[The Krynoid man]

How about Corine Clery in Moonraker? It was the first Bond film I saw on the big screen at the age of 11. I remember her death scene, as I was sitting in the theatre on the edge of my seat, hoping 007 would suddenly arrive and shoot the dogs with his wrist dart gun. Alas, it was not to be.

I remember seeing Moonraker for the first time when I was 4, but I'm pretty sure this scene wasn't there. I don't know weather it was cut out on that particular TV broadcast or I wasn't in the room or I just Forgot about it. Anyway when I watched it on DVD I was shocked when it happened.

It was an unnecessary and brutal death, and makes Moore's Bond look like an uncaring jerk for not helping her. He must have realised Drax would figure out she helped him. This is out of character, Bond has always shown remorse for women who die during the course of the films.

Edited by The Krynoid man, 17 August 2013 - 04:20 PM.

[George White]

I remember seeing that scene age 8, and it overwhelmed me. Just the slow-motion direction, the shock, the brutality, the sudden jolt of it. Where was Bond?