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[S K Y F A L L]

Isn't David Arnold expected to return?

[univex]

So we´ve got Logan, Craig, Fiennes, Harris, ..., now all we need is Deakins and Mendes back.

It's starting to look like B24 will be the first Craig film in which there is no major vestige of the Brosnan era.

As long as they don´t bring Arnold back. Kleinman, they can keep.

[Pussfeller]

It seems to be up to the director. If Mendes comes back, he'll probably bring back Newman. But if the director doesn't have a preference, it will probably revert to the default, which is Arnold.

[univex]

not sure why P&W are hated so much as they were partly responsible for two of the most liked films in the series CR and SF

Yes, but were they really?

Barbara and Michael kept using them. they must have been doing something right .

Yes, they were malleable.

[quantumofsolace]

not sure why P&W are hated so much as they were partly responsible for two of the most liked films in the series CR and SF

Yes, but were they really?

Barbara and Michael kept using them. they must have been doing something right .

Yes, they were malleable.

Everybody is when dealing with EON. Otherwise you can either walk or are pushed out. That's what history suggests and it's worked well.

[plankattack]

To some extent, they're just whipping boys. If they're such hacks, then what about the producers who kept hiring them? After CR, I've been inclined to tolerate P&W, and look upon them as serviceable providers of raw Bond plot material. As long as their work receives some polish from a screenwriter more attuned to dialogue and human nature, I'd be happy to see them stay. But by the same token, I'm not terribly sad to see them go.

My thoughts entirely. Left on their own (DAD) they're a disaster, but CR, and now SF, it's clear that they're at their best when someone else comes in after them. Everyone seemed to unofficially get a rewrite of TWINE (including Apted's missus apparently), so they shouldn't get the whole blame (if you hate TWINE) or get the whole credit (if you like TWINE - yes, there's more than just me!!!!). They get a pass on QoS due to the strike.

I think they deserve a break but I'd hate to see EON turn their back on them completely. They've proven that they appreciate the source material, and with the series too often having been guilty of the likes of Dahl, Mankiewicz, and Wood occasionally acting like they had no idea who Fleming or Bond were, P&W should get kudos for that alone.

No, they're not Dick Maibaum, but they have been part of a creative team that has helped keep Bond at the forefront (I hate DAD, but it made a baaaaggg of money), both financially and critically, and while a break should do everyone good, I think it would be shortsighted for us to wish that it were permanent before we know what others are going to produce.

[Dustin]

Logan starting on his own could be due to Eon hoping to get Mendes back into the boat ASAP. He already said he'd have to have the right feeling if he was to return for a second go. Giving Logan the job now could go a long way to present Mendes with a script he likes.

[seawolfnyy]

I also like it. Could be a nice change of pace. Possible SPECTRE return too?

[00Twelve]

Very excited to imagine the possibilities that Logan as initial screenwriter will bring to the table. I'm also ready to see a Bond independent of P&W; maybe once since the nineties we'll have a story that doesn't include a mole in the British government (what a concept).

[SecretAgentFan]

P & W are really just the scapegoat for fanboys´ frustrations.

But I welcome Logan to write a script on his own for BOND 24. We don´t know what exactly he did on SKYFALL, of course, but the film is so brilliant that he must have improved the script in a significant way.

[L4YRCAKE]

I think he's going to bring back either SPECTRE or Quantum with Idris Elba as Blofeld.

[Pussfeller]

I wouldn't be at all surprised if he revived SPECTRE, based on those Blofeld-hinting comments that he made some months ago. But why suppose that he has his eye on Idris Elba?

[QOS4EVER]

Please Tell me this is all a joke
I hope and pray P&W doesen't leave
Is this news confirmed ?!

PS: Idris Alba as Blofeld

Edited by QOS4EVER, 26 October 2012 - 07:01 AM.

[Pussfeller]

Q4E, why are you so fond of P&W? I'm just curious. Everyone else seems ambivalent at best.

[x007AceOfSpades]

It's great news! Change of pace, new fresh writing, it's great!

[TheManwiththeWaltherPPK]

I believe I read somewhere that Logan just happened to be "re-reading" the Fleming novels when Mendes brought him in for Skyfall. To me, that implies that he is a pretty big fan and is rather knowledgeable of the Fleming canon. Given that he is also allegedly the one who gave Skyfall its excellent, witty dialogue, I think we are in good hands. Also, I'm rather intrigued by the idea that hiring Logan right off the bat is an attempt to get Mendes back. Given Logan's fondness for Blofeld, maybe that is how he will hook Mendes, offer him te opportunity to re-imagine one of cinema's great, iconic villains. All around, it's a good sign.

[QOS4EVER]

Frankly Pussfeller,
I really found Bond getting interessting when they came on board and I loved the idea of how Casino Royale and Quantum Of Solace were connected.
I loved the fact that you really feel Bonds rage in CR when he's fighting Quantum in the colapsing building,the way that rage continues with Quantum Of Solace.The way they gave subtle hints of a huge organisation involved without even mentioning the name once ! The algerian love knot neckless, I felt the whole planning was beautifull.

The whole idea of Quantum itself the fact that they led to Vespers death and Bond's thirst for revenge,about an organisation that is everywhere.
and the fact that there's someone on the top of Quantum watching Bond's every move , pulling all the strings while Bond doesen't even know a thing about him.The fact that the villains of both the previous movies(Le Chiffre & Mr.White) were killed by Quantum for divulging too much information.
the whole concept is thrilling if you ask me.

I wasn't a member that time so I dont know if this is true but I loved the idea,
2 years ago there was a supposed leak of the script of Bond 23 and the story was said to be something like this :

It would pick up the trail from where QOS left off.
We know one thing about Quantum,to quote Mr.White himself "Money is not as important to our organisation , as knowing who to trust"
Since Domnic Greene leaked out information about Quantum to Bond,he was killed.This was said to be a story where Quantum is hunting down Bond and about Bond's fight to survive.
the story would have Quantum attack MI6,to agitate Bond and it would lead to Bond finding and killing the man responsible for the events of Quantum and Casino Royale
Like I said earlier , I wasn't a member at that time,Please correct me if I am wrong.

So with the whole brilliance with the quantum organisation , I dont see in any way that they did a bad job
and I agree with SAF "They are a scapegoat for fans frustrations"

[Vauxhall]

SKYFALL was the first time that Logan had worked with Mendes though, wasn't it?

No, they worked on Sweeney Todd together, when Mendes was going to direct it. Possibly other stuff, too.

Interesting. Genuinely didn't know that. Thanks.

[Simon]

Baz was right about Harris. Seems he scooped this story as well. Cheers to him, though it is a shame that P&W are out, as they were quite good at laying solid groundwork and getting the ball rolling.

Although the donkey has rather let a spoiler out of the bag to non 007 forum board mortals with his printed statement of such - I thought the deal was to Not Mention it at all. 'Don't spoil it for others...' sort of thing.

[tdalton]

It'll be good to have a fresh take on Bond, but hopefully they'll bring P&W back at some point to pen another film or two. As others have said, when it's left entirely in their hands they're not that great, but they do come up with some great story ideas and plot devices that script doctors like Haggis and now Logan are able to polish into a pretty solid script.

[The Shark]

Haggis should have never have been let near Bond.

[univex]

We need a team like Charles Cumming+John Logan+Peter Morgan. That´ll be an awesome trio. Never gonna happen though. Just call the next one Dr. Shatterhand and I´ll be happy..

[mcdonbb]

P&W IMO were good at coming up with new plot ideas or refreshing old ones. Less so on story structure and some characterization. Time for fresh ideas though. And I don't think Mendes is coming back btw..not for Bond 24 at least.

Haven't seen Skyfall yet but I think when I do I am going to want another quicker fix of Bond sooner than four years this time. After QoS I think we needed to regain our hunger for a good Bond meal....dont think QoS settled well with most folks tummies (although I liked it.) Now with SF I think and hope we are going to be hungry for more sooner.

Oh and for Bond 24 can we please have the "salad" at the start of the meal.. WHERE IT BELONGS!!!!!

[The Shark]

Bond 24 has been confirmed for 2014.

[Shrublands]

SKYFALL was the first time that Logan had worked with Mendes though, wasn't it?

Yes and no. Mendes was going to direct Sweeny Todd and worked on the pre-production. He brought Logan onto the project.

EDIT; Sorry missed this...

SKYFALL was the first time that Logan had worked with Mendes though, wasn't it?

No, they worked on Sweeney Todd together, when Mendes was going to direct it. Possibly other stuff, too.

[Cody]

Logan also writing Bond 25

I’m told that Logan pitched an original two-movie arc to Barbara Broccoli and Michael Wilson while they were shooting Skyfall, and that he has already begun writing the scripts. If plans work out, this would be the first Bond film with a storyline to be played out over multiple films, and it certainly makes it feasible that the pictures could be shot back-to-back. (I might be getting ahead of myself here, but anyone named Fleming has to be permitted to froth over James Bond films.)

Goes along with the news we heard over the summer that a writing deal was made for the next two.

[Scrambled Eggs]

Logan also writing Bond 25

I’m told that Logan pitched an original two-movie arc to Barbara Broccoli and Michael Wilson while they were shooting Skyfall, and that he has already begun writing the scripts. If plans work out, this would be the first Bond film with a storyline to be played out over multiple films, and it certainly makes it feasible that the pictures could be shot back-to-back. (I might be getting ahead of myself here, but anyone named Fleming has to be permitted to froth over James Bond films.)

Goes along with the news we heard over the summer that a writing deal was made for the next two.

Interesting. Without writing spoilers, I think there might be one or two seeds for potential future plots planted in Skyfall.

[QOS4EVER]

I really couldn't quite understand that ,

is Skyfall in the new story arc with Bond 24 and bond 25
or will Bond 24 and Bond 25 will share a common story arc ?

[Dustin]

I really couldn't quite understand that ,

is Skyfall in the new story arc with Bond 24 and bond 25
or will Bond 24 and Bond 25 will share a common story arc ?

We. Do. Not. Know.

[S K Y F A L L]

I got the impression it was Bond 24 and Bond 25 that will share the story arc.