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[JLaidlaw]

My theory. The DB5 in Casino Royale has nothing to do with the DB5 in Skyfall. The films have had Judi Dench as M and sly references to former quartermasters and the cold war. This implies to me that in the Craig films continuity MI6 from 1962-2002 was pretty similar to the MI6 which Connery-Brosnan's Bonds worked for. The only difference is that in this continuity James Bond was not around (nor were Felix Leiter or some other personnel). Which means that in this continuity the Goldfinger car was built for use by MI6 spies in the 1960s, just not for James Bond, or not necessarily a mission to stop Auric Goldfinger.

Craig's Bond returns from the Bahamas, full of admiration for the Aston Martin DB5 he has driven. He gets talking with the Quartermaster (The pre-Whishaw model, perhaps Major Boothroyd or even John Cleese's Q), and learns of the ridiculous experimental cars that MI6 used to build - some of which used the old DB5 model. Upper management orders these cars to be destroyed to avoid unpleasant publicity of wasting public money (And plus- "We don't really do that anymore"). Quartermaster can't bear to destroy these beloved engineering marvels, so he agrees to sell the DB5 to Bond, and fix the paperwork so it looks like the car has been done away with.

This explains why Bond has the car, why M knows about the ejector seat button. It immediately suggested itself to me as a theory during the film, and I don't think the film-makers have to put this level of information into the dialogue.

Interestingly Raymond Benson goes on a similar line, and establishes in the Man with the Red Tattoo that Brosnan's bond bought his DB5 from Q branch.

Edited by JLaidlaw, 24 November 2012 - 04:37 PM.

[zencat]

Maybe this has already been posted, but Purvis and Wade explain what happened here. In their script, it was the car from CR. But Mendes wanted it to be the car from GF. Director desire trumps logic.

http://soundcloud.co...writers-spoiler

I knew they had just thrown the idea of a Craig timeline out the window with this decision. But maybe a vague, even contradictory timeline is part of the restoration of "Classic Bond." It doesn't bother me. I loved it when he used the machine guns.

[delfloria]

A silly thought, but what if that Aston Martin is indeed the same car Bond got when he was pitted against Goldfinger, meaning that "reboot" has been ditched and Craig is playing the same Bond as Sean, George, Roger, Timothy and Pierce. Only flimsy piece of evidence I have to support this idea is Q's line "I'm the new Quartermaster" - if Ben Whishaw is the new one, that can only mean that Desmond Llewellyn was the previous one.

No, I don't believe in what I just wrote.

Believe it or not this is the only thing that makes sense. There has obviously been a LONG time between CR and SKYFALL for Bond himself. OLD DOG and "We're played out". If CR was his first mission SKYFALL could not have been the next as presented in the film. That's just the way it is.

[Matt_13]

I seriously almost lost it when the machine guns came into play. Wonderful moment. I'm sure there are a few ways to explain away what happened to the car. In the end, all you really have to do is forget the timeline.

[FlemingBond]

i agree with the last two posts. He's just starting out in CR, and two films later he's old...
and...when those machine guns popped out.....AWESOME

[marktmurphy]

This is fun; apparently the Skyfall Aston was green with a beige interior up until a few weeks before shooting!

http://www.rushlane....ll-1252193.html

The iconic silver Aston Martin DB5 which features in Skyfall, the 23rd James Bond film, was prepared at Aston Martin Works, renowned worldwide as the official heritage and service division of the marque.
Aston Martin has a long association with James Bond – Skyfall is the fifth Bond movie in which the DB5 has made an appearance. Other models have also played a part over the years, from the DBS in On Her Majesty's Secret Service, the V8 Vantage Volante in The Living Daylights, the Vanquish in Die Another Day and the DBS in Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace. And of course, many of them have featured exciting gadgets from the ejector seat in the DB5 to the spike-producing tyres and a self-destruct function found on the V8 Vantage Volante.
It is therefore fitting that the DB5 was prepared for its recent role, by Aston Martin Works, the spiritual home of the marque at Newport Pagnell.
Aston Martin Works continues to meet the needs of owners of every model with expertise spanning from the DB2 to the One-77 supercar.
The brief was to 'clone' the DB5 owned by the makers of the Bond movies, EON Productions, to provide a second car for filming. The project started with sourcing an appropriate car, facilitated by Aston Martin Works.
Once the car was sourced, it was prepared by the Aston Martin Works heritage team, who perform restoration miracles on all Aston Martins from the DB2 onwards. In just a matter of weeks the DB5 was transformed from green with beige interior to the stunning Silver Birch paintwork with black trim, which was 'distressed' so as not to appear brand new. The final touch to the paintwork was to add a keyline on the roof to represent the exit hatch for the ejector seat. In addition to the aesthetic works, the car also required a complete mechanical overhaul in preparation for filming.
Kingsley Riding-Felce, Managing Director of Aston Martin Works commented; "We are very pleased that the role of the DB5 in Skyfall maintains the long association between James Bond and Aston Martin – and that the expertise of our heritage team is showcased by this iconic car. It is apt that it was prepared by Aston Martin Works at Newport Pagnell, the home of Aston Martin for over 50 years."

[Miles Miservy]

I became yard-art.

[Golddragon71]

I seriously almost lost it when the machine guns came into play. Wonderful moment. I'm sure there are a few ways to explain away what happened to the car. In the end, all you really have to do is forget the timeline.

 

I'd almost agree with this except for the Bond/Moneypenny introduction scene at the end. (Granted, in the next film, it won't matter as much but for the most part this film doesn't reference anything of CR or QoS. And it could have! (especially when M said "Orphans make the best recruits"....I half-expected Bond to say  "That's what Vesper Lynnd said")

 

Now according to the Benson novels (of which i am an unashamed fan) it mentions that Bond actually purchased the DB5 from MI6 during an auction (he outbid Bill tanner by Five-Thousand Pounds)...granted, in the novels it's said that Q Branch had de-gadgetized the cars before they were sold off...still, I'm sure 007 could have had Q re-work the gear into the car.

 

all that said it's probably more likely that Craig's 007 traded Demetrios' car with some American who wanted a left hand drive car.

 

(I'm glad I found this thread that was one of the points from CR to SF that really bugged me since I saw it yesterday (for the 4th time)

Edited by Golddragon71, 05 December 2012 - 04:17 AM.

[seawolfnyy]

 

I seriously almost lost it when the machine guns came into play. Wonderful moment. I'm sure there are a few ways to explain away what happened to the car. In the end, all you really have to do is forget the timeline.

 

I'd almost agree with this except for the Bond/Moneypenny introduction scene at the end. (Granted, in the next film, it won't matter as much but for the most part this film doesn't reference anything of CR or QoS. And it could have! (especially when M said "Orphans make the best recruits"....I half-expected Bond to say  "That's what Vesper Lynnd said")

 

Now according to the Benson novels (of which i am an unashamed fan) it mentions that Bond actually purchased the DB5 from MI6 during an auction (he outbid Bill tanner by Five-Thousand Pounds)...granted, in the novels it's said that Q Branch had de-gadgetized the cars before they were sold off...still, I'm sure 007 could have had Q re-work the gear into the car.

 

all that said it's probably more likely that Craig's 007 traded Demetrios' car with some American who wanted a left hand drive car.

 

(I'm glad I found this thread that was one of the points from CR to SF that really bugged me since I saw it yesterday (for the 4th time)

 

I still was hoping for M making a reference to Bond breaking into her house as in CR she said "don't ever break into my house again." As for the car, no it's not the same one. Or it could be. You know, just like Robert Brown is not playing the same M as Bernard Lee. Or he is. Ah, continuity errors....

[marktmurphy]

The current issue of one of the classic car mags has an article on the Skyfall DB5 (on the cover photographed in Glencoe too!). It's fairly interesting: apparently there were two DB5s used- one was a customer's car which Aston Martin Works converted to Bond spec, and the other is a car owned by Eon- previously one of the three used in GoldenEye (there were two used for the chase, and one privately-owned one used for the beauty shots - Eon have one of the chase cars); this is also the car used in TND and TWINE. The Works car turns out to have been used in the Scotland shots, they're not sure which is used for what elsewhere in the film. The Eon car had the machine guns fitted and probably still does; I think it says the Works car had the ejector seat button installed but that was removed before Aston received it back.

I'm not sure which is on show at Beaulieu at the moment: they have one Skyfall DB5 and a GoldenEye DB5 which the plaque says is privately owned. I guess the Skyfall one is the Eon car and the GE one is the car Max Reid bought in 2001; I don't know.

 

They also mention the destruction: as we know it was a model that was blown up, but as we guessed from a set photo they also used a Porsche 928 which was dressed with (genuine) Aston Martin scrap panels. They used this because it has a similar wheelbase and windscreen rake, apparently.

[Simon]

Dave Worrall's Famous Car book needs a huge updating; the sheer number of new entries required is mind-boggling.

 

Keeping track of this lot would be the work of scholars.

[marktmurphy]

Dave Worrall's Famous Car book needs a huge updating; the sheer number of new entries required is mind-boggling.

 

Keeping track of this lot would be the work of scholars.

 

Yeah they have a boxout in the magazine article that sort of works like that- it even features all of the chassis numbers for the individual cars used from GE onwards (including the wrong-hand-drive cars from Casino Royale: one was a rare automatic, apparently) except for the Eon-owned GE/TND/TWINE/SF car which they're keeping under wraps. With all of those a new edition may not be too tricky!

 

I wonder how many cars have played The Most Famous Car In The World now? I guess it's around nine DB5s (in the official film series)..? I can't remember if it was two or three used for GF and TB; but add three more for GE, another two for CR and one more for SF.

Not all of those played BMT 216A of course as we had 214A for Brosnan and the Bahamas car for Craig.

[Iceskater101]

Yeah that car is the frontrunner of the James Bond franchise. It is the symbol and what describes the series. I am so happy they brought it into Skyfall.

[Bames Jond]

 

Hey, bonded56, you forgot to jump all over the Aston from Goldeneye - apparently stripped of it's gadgetry and with the 'wrong' plate #: BMT 214A.

Where does that fit in with a chronology that sees 007 using cell phones and laptops to defeat a terrorist financier, then stealing a mechanical decoder from the Soviet Russians, before retrieving two MOS-type atomic weapons from a stolen Vulcan bomber and preventing a Gemini space capsule from being hijacked in mid-flight?

Is Casino Royale set in 1961 (with anachronisms intact) or are the old Bonds with obsolete technology and dated politics set in the future? And having recovered from the death of Vesper all those years ago, will Craig's Bond ever mention his more recently lost love, Tracy?

Your poor head must hurt trying to make two seperate but similar film series work within one chronology. What do you make of the Batman series, with Bruce Wayne's parents being killed twice by two different assailants?

I took the easy way out and accepted that AVTAK ended one series, DAD ended another, and that CR/QoS/SF are the first three in the latest series.

But maybe that's just me.

BTW the Aston in CR is left-hand and the GF Aston right-hand, not vice-versa.

Without being specific the "Goldeneye" Aston was included in my comment.....> If the events of "Skyfall" take place after all of the other movies, then Bond drove the Astons with different license plates to conceal that he had the actual Aston from "Goldfinger" and "Thunderball". (If "Skyfall" events take place in the middle of the series, then the Astons driven are a tribute to the Aston from the Goldfinger mission.)

Not sure what you meant by...Your poor head must hurt trying to make two seperate but similar film series work within one chronology.
It's all Bond.

Thanks.

 

If you read between the lines (and by that I mean just listening to dialogue) you can tell that Casino Royale, Quantum of Solace and Skyfall are not set in the same continuity as Goldfinger (nor any of the other films).