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[DamnCoffee]

This is from the synopsis of 007 Legends...

"Our story begins deep in murky, watery depths. You’re James Bond, and you’re drifting, unconscious. You don’t know
why – only that you’re struggling for your life like never before. In moments of cognizance, you recall epic moments
from the last 50 years."


Matt_13 just pointed about the possibility of Bond being unconcious in the water, is maybe from the PTS of Skyfall, following Bonds apparent death on the Train Sequence. This leads into 007 Legends, involving many flashbacks from the past 50 years.

Now, if this is the case, what if the Skyfall main title sequence follows the same vain as this? Instead of flashbacks, we begin the Opening titles with Bond floating unconcious, this leads into many famous pieces of iconography from the past 50 years of Bond movies. The DB5, Lotus, Volcano lair, Odd Jobs hat etc. Not actual footage, but some fancy CGI work? It would be a lovely way to celebrate the 50th. Bonds famous moments condensed into a 3-4 minute title sequence.

[thecasinoroyale]

Now that is a wonderful idea Mharkin - it worked for 'OHMSS' to remind us we were still with Bond, and it was one of the best of the early films, iconic and really nice to see.

With the 50th this year, it does sound a great idea for this sequence to happen, should it follow the PTS if 007: Legends takes it to craft into their own stoey, like starting with the PTS and ending with the 'Skyfall' final battle in the game too.


I like that idea a lot - I hope it's something like this now!

[Vauxhall]

I'd like that, but still done in traditional silhouette form, if that makes sense. Hopefully Mendes has the good sense to keep it nice and classy.

[PPK_19]

Wow, this is all news to me, i welcome it!

So it looks like we're going to get a very classic looking title sequence for Skyfall. Does anyone know who is designing them this time? Please tell me it's not MK12, i want Kleinman back. Accompanied with Adele's booming vocals- you heard me!- we're in for a treat.

I agree with Vaux, i want silhouettes- girls jumping off the PPK and somersaults!

[MattofSteel]

Oh come on. I'm sure it will be cool, but I mean really. It's like they're not even trying to hide the fact they're shamelessly aping Bourne now - and that lament comes from someone who believes the QOS-Bourne connections were seriously overstated by fans and media alike.

[The Shark]

Oh come on. I'm sure it will be cool, but I mean really. It's like they're not even trying to hide the fact they're shamelessly aping Bourne now - and that lament comes from someone who believes the QOS-Bourne connections were seriously overstated by fans and media alike.

Huh?

[DamnCoffee]

Oh come on. I'm sure it will be cool, but I mean really. It's like they're not even trying to hide the fact they're shamelessly aping Bourne now.

Yeah because someone lying unconcious in the water hasn't been done before at all. Not even in the You Only Live Twice novel.

[marktmurphy]

It would be very Bourne.

[Royal Dalton]

I don't think we'll see Bond in the water until after the title sequence, anyway. I think we'll see him fall, then cut to the titles, and have him hit the water afterwards.

[SecretAgentFan]

It would be very Bourne.

Unfortunately, yes! Too much so. And I don´t want this comparison to start again with the next Bond film.

[DamnCoffee]

I don't think we'll see Bond in the water until after the title sequence, anyway. I think we'll see him fall, then cut to the titles, and have him hit the water afterwards.

Really? I was thinking that if we don't see Bond actually floating in the water, we'd probably have a little CGI moment, like The World Is Not Enough, where it shows Bond jumping from the dome and walking away. Just as Bond hits the water, 'Albert R Broccoli's Eon Productions presents..' then show a CGI Bond going under, bubbles forming, 'Daniel Craig' Bond floating on the surface, 'As Ian Flemings James Bond 007 in' Probably a shot zooming into Bonds eye underwater, goes through the Iris, explosion 'Skyfall' cue famous Bond moments from the last 50 years. Then the titles would end as we zoom back out of Bonds eye, and he swims away, 'Directed by Sam Mendes' cut to an Establishing shot of London or something.

Edited by Mharkin, 20 April 2012 - 04:59 PM.

[ggl]

This water thing... did it have an origin? or is it just speculation about the train chase ending on a bridge...? Have you seen the fall from the Adana bridge? Not very ideal for a "jump"...

[MattofSteel]

It would be very Bourne.

Unfortunately, yes! Too much so. And I don´t want this comparison to start again with the next Bond film.

Exactly, that's all I was saying. It's like, they shrugged off the comparisons, and then say - "What's the most iconic Bourne-defining image that we could outright lift and put in the new Bond? Floating in the water, unconscious, with a theme of lost or recurring memory? That's it!"

It sounds cool, but the optics are just frighteningly bad. As always, I'll hold back any informed or official judgement until we've seen it - but my initial reaction is, wow, why even invite the criticism.

EDIT: Furthermore, we don't even have confirmation of any kind that particular opening is at all connected to Skyfall. I'd wager it in no way is, and it's game-specific.

Yeah because someone lying unconcious in the water hasn't been done before at all. Not even in the You Only Live Twice novel.

I'll glady admit that, but really - you can't honestly tell me that's not a little "too close for comfort" in the borrowing department, at least cinematically.

[Royal Dalton]

I don't think we'll see Bond in the water until after the title sequence, anyway. I think we'll see him fall, then cut to the titles, and have him hit the water afterwards.

Really? I was thinking that if we don't see Bond actually floating in the water, we'd probably have a little CGI moment, like The World Is Not Enough, where it shows Bond jumping from the dome and walking away. Just as Bond hits the water, 'Albert R Broccoli's Eon Productions presents..' then show a CGI Bond going under, bubbles forming, 'Daniel Craig' Bond floating on the surface, 'As Ian Flemings James Bond 007 in' Probably a shot zooming into Bonds eye underwater, goes through the Iris, explosion 'Skyfall' cue famous Bond moments from the last 50 years. Then the titles would end as we zoom back out of Bonds eye, and he swims away, 'Directed by Sam Mendes' cut to an Establishing shot of London or something.

Well, considering the film's title, I'd say it's more than likely Bond's going to be seen falling through the title sequence and hitting the water at the end of it.

[MattofSteel]

So, Mad Men's opening but with submarine pens and volcano lairs as opposed to advertising and Manhattan skyscrapers? I could see it.

[AMC Hornet]

Since SF is the third episode in a reboot, why would its titles be packed with iconic moments from a history that hasn't happened yet/anymore?

For the 007 Legends game titles, sure, but I'm not holding my breath (above or under water) or speculating about what SF's titles will look like when they're filmed months from now. I'd rather be pleasantly surprised at the theatre on opening night (at the rate that every little tidbit is being analyzed, that may be the only surprise left).

Back to the 'staying spoiler free' thread for me (by way of MH's other thread 'Skyfall teaser trailer previewed in Mexico thread...).

[TQB]

I think thats a good idea for the 50th anniversary but I doubt that will happen because of the continuity errors from the series.

[MattofSteel]

They may do it generically enough that it's sort of 'vaguely' referenced - or not at all. I'm not sure they want to be so on the nose with the 50th stuff, after how generally reviled the DAD references got to be after a time. They've already had their "blatant throwback movie" and it was within the last decade. I get the sense the homage-ing this time will be far more in the form of design, tone, wit, etc. with perhaps a few direct nods.

There's also, I guess, an implication continuity-wise that all the previous Bond films theoretically could have happened between QOS and SF. If you want to go that way.

[Harmsway]

Extrapolating anything about the title sequence of SKYFALL from this video game concept is highly suspect. If it's true that EON hasn't picked a title song yet, then it's highly unlikely the titles are at all in a fully-conceived form (though, admittedly, it's not impossible that they would have done some preliminary work on the titles).

So, Mad Men's opening but with submarine pens and volcano lairs as opposed to advertising and Manhattan skyscrapers? I could see it.

That would be relatively nifty, if a bit too derivative for my tastes.

It would hardly be the first time we get the "falling Bond" image in a title sequence, though.

[DamnCoffee]

I think thats a good idea for the 50th anniversary but I doubt that will happen because of the continuity errors from the series.

I can see your point. The thing is though, Bond fans could pick up on them, other people could just see them as beautiful imagery in the opening titles. Also, it could be strongly argued that it is a massive continuity error, but if they restrict it to the titles only, it's not really a problem, because the opening isn't a part of the storyline. It's just enjoyable art.

[sharpshooter]

EDIT: Furthermore, we don't even have confirmation of any kind that particular opening is at all connected to Skyfall. I'd wager it in no way is, and it's game-specific.

Since SF is the third episode in a reboot, why would its titles be packed with iconic moments from a history that hasn't happened yet/anymore?

Agreed, guys. It is the 50^th anniversary, though showing iconography such as Odd Job’s hat and the volcano lair for example would go against the reboot that is the Craig era, especially if they are presented as flashbacks experienced by an unconscious Bond. It’s territory I wouldn’t want them to go near, personally. IMO the film will be about pushing ahead, and the media outside like the game and documentary, can do the franchise celebrating.

[ggl]

So, Mad Men's opening but with submarine pens and volcano lairs as opposed to advertising and Manhattan skyscrapers? I could see it.

I think great Mad Men opening is in a big debt with CR opening...

Anyway, this "fall in the water" has been leaked from somebody? is it for sure?

[SecretAgentFan]

Why would they want to replay the computer game sequence in a movie they hold back information on very distinctly?

[Aris007]

I think thats a good idea for the 50th anniversary but I doubt that will happen because of the continuity errors from the series.

I can see your point. The thing is though, Bond fans could pick up on them, other people could just see them as beautiful imagery in the opening titles. Also, it could be strongly argued that it is a massive continuity error, but if they restrict it to the titles only, it's not really a problem, because the opening isn't a part of the storyline. It's just enjoyable art.

I agree with Matt over here. After all the PTS isn't always a part of the main story. Take Goldfinger for instance. Nothing to do with the rest of the film. It's just a routine mission for Bond. They can put a similar PTS then the title sequence a la OHMSS. No continuity errors at all. It worked back in 1969, why not now?

[MattofSteel]

Why would they want to replay the computer game sequence in a movie they hold back information on very distinctly?

Exactly. I highly doubt this leaked game opening has *anything* to do with Skyfall's. Skyfall is only included this game the same way the other 5 films are. It's not an adaptation. They've gone out of their way to say it's not an adaptation. They specifically talk about having to 'create' an over-arching story, involving this Bourne Bond floating in watery depths, half-conscious, to begin. If they were adaptaing Skyfall, there would be nothing to "create".

[Matt_13]

The reason I came to that conclusion of it being the PTS of Skyfall was because it just seems to make sense in the narrative of the game (based on what little we know). Bond remembers all past missions but then experiences some from Skyfall in the game. Makes sense that they'd begin the intro of the game with Skyfall since that's where we will ultimately end up, and there's really nowhere else in the franchise that has Bond floating unconscious in the water. Just saying, definitely just a guess, but I think a pretty good one.

Also, the word "create" still applies to an adapted game. They are technically still creating it. The overarching story thing just sounds like a marketing ploy to me. It also allowed them to work on a tie in without really having to worry about Skyfall. They could work on it throughout the MGM business since they had all the material they needed. It is still an adaptation, just of a different sort.

[Pussfeller]

A "falling man" motif seems a bit too cute, and would invite unfavorable comparisons with Mad Men. People would say it was a rip-off.

My prediction is that the Skyfall title sequence will revolve around British imperial iconography. The last two title sequences used no British imagery at all, so it would be fresh. And when one considers that two major locations are Britain and Shanghai, and that the plot will involve some sort of grand collapse of authority, it would be appropriate for the title sequence to invoke retro colonial imagery. In this case, the "fall" in the title would be reflected in the hubris and collapse of an empire.

Also, naked ladies.

[Matt_13]

A "falling man" motif seems a bit too cute, and would invite unfavorable comparisons with Mad Men. People would say it was a rip-off.

My prediction is that the Skyfall title sequence will revolve around British imperial iconography. The last two title sequences used no British imagery at all, so it would be fresh. And when one considers that two major locations are Britain and Shanghai, and that the plot will involve some sort of grand collapse of authority, it would be appropriate for the title sequence to invoke retro colonial imagery. In this case, the "fall" in the title would be reflected in the hubris and collapse of an empire.

Also, naked ladies.

Like the sound of this, and a safe bet especially given what we know so far.

[The Shark]

A "falling man" motif seems a bit too cute, and would invite unfavorable comparisons with Mad Men. People would say it was a rip-off.

My prediction is that the Skyfall title sequence will revolve around British imperial iconography. The last two title sequences used no British imagery at all, so it would be fresh. And when one considers that two major locations are Britain and Shanghai, and that the plot will involve some sort of grand collapse of authority, it would be appropriate for the title sequence to invoke retro colonial imagery. In this case, the "fall" in the title would be reflected in the hubris and collapse of an empire.

Also, naked ladies.

Our loyal comrade Polly Toynbee destroying the British Empire in the nude? Вся впасть совтамъ!

[Pussfeller]

Bad as he was, you can't blame Tony Bee for losing the empire.