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[Vauxhall]

That is something I never though about, Bond naming the mission after his family estate but I don't understand why he would name it. Unless he was assigned to help create the mission because of his in the field expertise. But then why would Kincade have a gun collection at Bond manor?

I don't think Bond himself would have named the mission (if there is one). That's more likely to have been a decision made by M or a senior operative at the time. I think Kincade probably just has a gun collection because he's an eccentric old collector.

[bill007]

If you see The Foraging Photographer's article "Grave News at Skyfall Lodge," one of the pictures is of a headstone memorial to a previous ghillie of the estate, Thomas Grenfell. The fact that this headstone even exists, and will possibly be seen on film, makes me think perhaps Kincade is the current ghillie to the estate, thus his love of antique firearms.

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[Harmsway]

If you see The Foraging Photographer's article "Grave News at Skyfall Lodge," one of the pictures is of a headstone memorial to a previous ghillie of the estate, Thomas Grenfell. The fact that this headstone even exists, and will possibly be seen on film, makes me think perhaps Kincade is the current ghillie to the estate, thus his love of antique firearms.

Makes perfect sense to me.

[Royal Dalton]

Kincade's an interesting one. Baz Bamigboye probably threw us a bit, when he described Finney's role as: "A Foreign Office mandarin with powers over the Secret Intelligence Service". Which now seems to be a mix-up with Ralph Fiennes' role.

I think there's probably something to the 'surrogate father' thing we were mulling over before. But perhaps not quite in the way we were thinking. That of him being in a position of power. But rather one of Bond being 'raised by the servants'.

Kincade could be the person Bond was closest to during his formative years. Took him fishing, taught him how to use a gun, etc. So, Bond allowed him to stay on at the estate.

But there has to be more to it than that. Kincade must know something about Operation Skyfall.

[JCRendle]

Basically Bond's Dark Knight's Alfred?

[Royal Dalton]

Yeah, something like that.

But Kincade might not necessarily turn out to be on the side of good.

[Shrublands]

Yeah, something like that.

But Kincade might not necessarily turn out to be on the side of good.

I think he will be and turn out to be a real hero in this.

[Royal Dalton]

It could go either way, couldn't it.

Kincade might have sold secret information to the Russians, or whoever, in the past, and this is why Operation Skyfall failed. Now he regrets it, and is on Bond's side.

Alternatively, he might have sold out completely and is working with Silva.

But, whichever way it goes, I do hope he has an heroic death (preferably saving Bond), if it comes to that.

[Shrublands]

Yes. It’s just a feeling I have, an eccentric old cove with a strange antique gun collection. He and Bond preparing to fight off the opposition like the last stand at the Alamo.

Making right past wrongs could be rather good too.

[Vauxhall]

I think you're spot on. I'm predicting that Kincade might become something of a fan favourite. Brave old gentleman who wants to do nothing more than serve and defend using his quirky gun collection. Excited to see Albert Finney with this sort of role.

It should be said that I'm starting to wonder whether Kincade has any sort of diplomatic/intelligence history at all, or whether he's purely a former worker for the Bond family who James turns to when nowhere else is safe.

[Shrublands]

I think you're spot on. I'm predicting that Kincade might become something of a fan favourite. Brave old gentleman who wants to do nothing more than serve and defend using his quirky gun collection. Excited to see Albert Finney with this sort of role.

It should be said that I'm starting to wonder whether Kincade has any sort of diplomatic/intelligence history at all, or whether he's purely a former worker for the Bond family who James turns to when nowhere else is safe.

This notion that ‘nowhere else is safe’ is a fascinating one, particularly in how the film makers will sell it to the audience.

Here we have M, the head of British intelligence, and her top licensed to kill secret agent. They are in London, at the heat of government, and there has been an attempt on Ms life. Bond whisks her away in her own company car, leaving her right hand man (Tanner) behind.

So far, so good, but now for the next bit...

No one would have imagined that his next course of action (the standard operational procedure, if you will) would be to drive her to Scotland in a 50 year old sports car and hide in a rundown manor house with only an old aged pensioner and his antique gun collection for back-up.

Something has bound to have happened that shows that nothing that he might have ordinarily done would be safe. And thinking about that, keeps taking me back to the Gareth Mallory character. I think he is bound to be a traitor with extensive influence and he has now been unmasked as far as Bond is concerned. Bond knows that Mallory knows every standard safe house, every standard emergency procedure and will be expecting Bond to use one of them.

Hence Bond ditches the company car for his own car, (no tracker device perhaps) and heads for Skyfall lodge and the one person he can trust.

[Royal Dalton]

No one would have imagined that his next course of action (the standard operational procedure, if you will) would be to drive her to Scotland in a 50 year old sports car and hide in a rundown manor house with only an old aged pensioner and his antique gun collection for back-up.
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Hence Bond ditches the company car for his own car, (no tracker device perhaps) and heads for Skyfall lodge and the one person he can trust.

Bond knows they're on their way, though.

"Some men are coming to kill us. We've got to kill them first."

So, one way or another, the villains must know where to find them.

[JCH]

No one would have imagined that his next course of action (the standard operational procedure, if you will) would be to drive her to Scotland in a 50 year old sports car and hide in a rundown manor house with only an old aged pensioner and his antique gun collection for back-up.
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Hence Bond ditches the company car for his own car, (no tracker device perhaps) and heads for Skyfall lodge and the one person he can trust.

Bond knows they're on their way, though.

"Some men are coming to kill us. We've got to kill them first."

So, one way or another, the villains must know where to find them.

Could it be that Bond heads to Skyfall to protect Kincade? If the lodge somehow factors into Silva's motivations and he's heading that way, maybe Bond is heading that way to protect Kincade/the lodge. M is with him because she has a connection to the lodge/Silva and wants to be there.

Just spitballing here...

[Royal Dalton]

I think Bond must lure them there intentionally. Skyfall is the one place where he'd have an advantage over the enemy in a siege situation, after all.

Kincade probably knows more than he should about the failed Operation Skyfall plot, if it originated there, as well. So, that might be another reason for Bond to go there and seek him out.

[thecasinoroyale]

I love reading these about Kincade, I wasn't even aware of the character name until last week! This is the one character I probably know least about, so it's interesting to see how he is linked to the plot and what he may have in store.

[Royal Dalton]

I hope Shrublands and Vauxhall are right that he's on Bond's side. Although, I have a feeling they're going to throw a twist into the plot...

Either way, it's going to be great to see Albert Finney in this. Especially in his scenes with Judi Dench. I can imagine him getting a bit flirty with her. She might even call him "a sexist misogynist dinosaur."

But it would be good if there's a scene where they're all just sat around the fireplace eating porridge, or something, and talking things over. A proper character scene.

[007jamesbond]

It interesting that we no little or nothing about his character.........not even a single interview at all

[Royal Dalton]

Not much. All we really know is that he's in it, that his appearance is said to be somewhat rustic, and that he's got a large collection of guns. Hence the gamekeeper/caretaker speculation.

There seem to be about 25 scenes set at the Skyfall estate. Which would probably translate to around 30 minutes of screen time. So, he's likely to be in it for quite a lot of that time, I would have thought.

[JCRendle]

I can't decide whether Kincade is a Scottish Laird of which Skyfall is his home or a live in caretaker for the Lodge, two very different positions and social standings. Eon and the production have kept the details very hush hush.

[bill007]

Ha-ha, EON and production may be hush-hush, but if they are reading this, our speculations must be driving them either batty, or aching in pain from laughter.

Here's a thought.... What did James' father, Andrew, due for a living? As I remember (and a quick internet search), he was a representative for Vickers Armament, who produced the Vickers machine gun in early part of the 20th century.

So, old guns, eh?? Enter Kincade, a lover of old weaponry. Could he have ties with Andrew?

Yes, this is quite a strech of time to be combining. Just mulling.

[univex]

Ha-ha, EON and production may be hush-hush, but if they are reading this, our speculations must be driving them either batty, or aching in pain from laughter.

Here's a thought.... What did James' father, Andrew, due for a living? As I remember (and a quick internet search), he was a representative for Vickers Armament, who produced the Vickers machine gun in early part of the 20th century.

So, old guns, eh?? Enter Kincade, a lover of old weaponry. Could he have ties with Andrew?

Yes, this is quite a strech of time to be combining. Just mulling.

Very nice thinking there. Even if only because of the "guns" connection. Although time is an issue indeed.

[bill007]

I did some quick reading on the Vickers machine gun (VMG).... it took a 6 to 8 man team to operate: one to fire; one to feed; and all to carry, ha-ha. It was in operation well into the 1960's. So, perhaps, it could be squeezed into our current time-line. The VMG fired a .303 round (7.7 mm), which could do some serious damage.... as in pointed at a lodge, or something. Either with good, or bad, guys in it.

[L4YRCAKE]

What if Silva is the product of a marriage/romance between M and Kincaid? And Kincaid raised and trained both Bond and Silva which makes them an even match as enemies? And then at this point (and I know I'm stretching here) Silva was directly responsible for the death of Bond's parents, except instead of punishing him or incarcerating him she hides him and gives him protection because he's their son and hopes/fears that Bond may someday figure out the truth?

Also, some folks are saying the confrontation at Skyfall manor is the climax of the film, except doesn't that seem kind of anti-climactic? And also from the trailer it looks as though Skyfall is in flames and who I can only assume is Silva is walking away from the burning house because he thinks he's just killed Bond or he's lost track of him or whatever, which doesn't seem like an end point but more mid-story...?

[Royal Dalton]

Seems unlikely that Kincade and M bumping uglies would result in Silva. He's supposed to be Azorean, anyway.

But the Skyfall Lodge scene is where Bond and Silva have their final confrontation. Probably just after that shot in the trailer.

[SecretAgentFan]

I hope that Silva will not be revealed as Bond´s brother...

[Vauxhall]

Also, some folks are saying the confrontation at Skyfall manor is the climax of the film, except doesn't that seem kind of anti-climactic? And also from the trailer it looks as though Skyfall is in flames and who I can only assume is Silva is walking away from the burning house because he thinks he's just killed Bond or he's lost track of him or whatever, which doesn't seem like an end point but more mid-story...?

That is indeed Silva walking away from the fire. Silva temporarily loses track of Bond, but then they resume battle near the burning lodge for their final showdown.

[MattofSteel]

That is some awfully specific knowledge you have of that sequence, there...

[Shrublands]

That is some awfully specific knowledge you have of that sequence, there...

It is, and Vauxhall is absolutely correct.

[L4YRCAKE]

But is that because you actually know something specific? Or are you getting that from the numbers on the clapboards...?

[MattofSteel]

That is some awfully specific knowledge you have of that sequence, there...

It is, and Vauxhall is absolutely correct.

How do we know this?