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[Vauxhall]

By popular demand, here's a separate thread to discuss Finney's character, Kincade/Kincaide.

This is what we learnt yesterday:

"Kincaide, played by Albert Finney — is fond of old-fashioned English firearms. Think of 19th Century percussion pistols and a very powerful elephant gun that fires .500 Nitro Express cartridges."

[Royal Dalton]

I wonder if he plays it with a Scottish accent?

I think it's really nice that Albert Finney's in this film, though. Not only because he's a great actor, but also because he's a direct link to Harry Saltzman.

[Compliments Of Sharkey]

I think Kincade/Kincaide will be a Scottish Laird, retired, ex-government, and is involved in whatever happened in M's past which has come back to haunt her.

I can definitely see Albert Finney attired in a kilt.

Now with the mention that Kincade is fond of old-fashioned English firearms, I should imagine we see Finney get to use them when 'Skyfall' comes under attack!

Edited by Compliments Of Sharkey, 12 April 2012 - 10:43 AM.

[thecasinoroyale]

I will enjoy this thread as now Finney's character is the one I know least about - not got a clue what scenes he may be in, what link he is, what job/role the character is...so debate away people!

[ggl]

We also know that when Silva sees him with M, he gets excited...

[Pussfeller]

Perhaps because he wants to kill them both, and it's a "two for one".

[007jamesbond]

I am guessing to asumme that Finney is someone from the foreign office who is M's boss but we dont know that for sure....... and isnt it strange no one have a interview with him or Ben who played Q..........

[ggl]

Perhaps because he wants to kill them both, and it's a "two for one".

... or Kinkaid can make Silva´s work

[MattofSteel]

I just had a revelation.

We've assumed Kincaide is, essentially, the Scottish caretaker of Skyfall. Gone as far, per Sharkey, to assume he's "a Scottish Laird, retired, ex-government, and is involved in whatever happened in M's past which has come back to haunt her." All kinds of cool permutations.

Now don't get me wrong. I love Albert Finney - he'll be an inspired choice to play whatever Kincaide ends up being.

But given that this is the 50th anniversary, and it's a character of some significance from the past, and he's old, and he's Scottish...

...is it possible that Kincaide was originally conceived, if not specifically written, as the ultimate homage - to be portrayed by someone...."else"?



EDIT: (And presumably, this someone else rejected the idea, and Finney ended up playing the part as a second choice. Pure speculation on my part, but wow, that could have been cool. A bit on the nose, but cool.)

[ggl]

I just had a revelation.

We've assumed Kincaide is, essentially, the Scottish caretaker of Skyfall. Gone as far, per Sharkey, to assume he's "a Scottish Laird, retired, ex-government, and is involved in whatever happened in M's past which has come back to haunt her." All kinds of cool permutations.

Now don't get me wrong. I love Albert Finney - he'll be an inspired choice to play whatever Kincaide ends up being.

But given that this is the 50th anniversary, and it's a character of some significance from the past, and he's old, and he's Scottish...

...is it possible that Kincaide was originally conceived, if not specifically written, as the ultimate homage - to be portrayed by someone...."else"?



EDIT: (And presumably, this someone else rejected the idea, and Finney ended up playing the part as a second choice. Pure speculation on my part, but wow, that could have been cool. A bit on the nose, but cool.)

Too good to be true. Thanks for the idea, anyway. I´d have loved that...

[MattofSteel]

We all would have. It fits too perfectly to believe it wasn't, even in some small part, the original intention.

[007jamesbond]

wouldnt it be a interesting twist that he the real villian behind this...........? And maybe it him that kills M not Bond to get rid of lose ends......

[Shrublands]

EDIT: (And presumably, this someone else rejected the idea, and Finney ended up playing the part as a second choice. Pure speculation on my part, but wow, that could have been cool. A bit on the nose, but cool.)

“Cool” - Absolutely not!

What you’re suggesting would be the one move that could/would throw the whole film off dramatic balance.
Any inclusion of a former Bond actor in a supporting role would be so distracting as to turn the entire story that they are trying to tell into an absolute nonsense.
Stunt casting and drawing attention to the artificiality of it all is never a good idea.

[Pussfeller]

Cool idea, but I don't think the current producers would ever have considered that. It's just too fantastic. It's completely at odds with what we know about the other fella's personality.

[MattofSteel]

Oh, exactly. And if any spec of this were true, I'm sure that's what would have derailed it.

Who knows if the other fella's even in shape for a major film role at the moment - I'm of the impression he's currently quite the recluse.

Shrublands: I don't disagree, it would have pulled one out of the film's reality immediately. We won't know exactly how nostalgically they're taking the 50th until we've seen the film, but I can see it - at least - being an idea that was floated, and certainly one that the more 'casual' components of the audience would have found interesting.

I seem to recall them toying with the idea of said other fella playing Bond's father in DAD. Or, it might have just been Tamahori.

[Shrublands]

...it might have just been Tamahori.

Yes, it was just Tamahori. And typically rubbish.

His full idea was that ‘James Bond’ was just a code name and this was once James Bond.

He may as well have turned DAD into an absolute pantomime... Oh, he did.

[MattofSteel]

Him playing Bond's father would have been absolutely ridiculous, yes.

[Royal Dalton]

I dare say Kincade will turn out to be a benevolent old man. Much like the one in The Thirty-Nine Steps.

[MattofSteel]

He may as well have turned DAD into an absolute pantomime... Oh, he did.

That's really all I was getting at. We've seen how far some of these 'throwback' ideas have gone before. At this point, we have no idea how major or minor a role like Kincaide is - but assuming it's fairly minor, I could easily see a producer or studio exec saying, "Wouldn't it be great if we could write something for Connery!"

My own experience in the industry has been largely pleasant and rational to this point, but I'd be lying if I said I hadn't heard those types of eyebrow-raising suggestions at times.

[Pussfeller]

Which former Bond would be likeliest to come back for a cameo? I'd bet on Dalton. He's always been friendly with the Broccoli family, but his brief tenure made a minimal impression on popular culture. If he appeared in a Bond film, it wouldn't be at all distracting for the average movie-goer. Of course, Lazenby could do the same thing, but he seems to be a bit of an outsider, and not very close to the Eon people.

The other Bond actors are just too well-known to have any further association with the franchise. Their appearance would be hugely distracting.

[MattofSteel]

It might alienate the other actors, too - considerably they're attempting (we've heard) to get them all together for some 50th anniversary event. If Roger etc. found out Tim or Sean was invited to have a role in Skyfall, they might feel slighted.

In any case, no issue. Unless Finney played Bond in some obscure television movie none of us have ever heard of.

[Compliments Of Sharkey]

I can easily see Kincade as being a former 'M' and predecessor to Dench's 'M', and they are somehow both involved in some past decision. Something that has to do with Silva, which is why he is 'excited' at seeing them together (as someone mentioned elsewhere on this forum).

[Shrublands]

I can easily see Kincade as being a former 'M' and predecessor to Dench's 'M', and they are somehow both involved in some past decision. Something that has to do with Silva, which is why he is 'excited' at seeing them together (as someone mentioned elsewhere on this forum).

Yes, this makes sense.

I also think that Kincade must be part of the reason M and Bond go to Scotland, I've never been convinced that they are simply on the run, as it were.

And the mission that is being talked about in the teaser trailer (apparently) is called Skyfall – the house’s name cannot be a coincidence.

[MattofSteel]

But it's very clearly Bond's family home. If Kincaide's connection is to M, how would that work? Heaven help us if M turns out to be related to Bond.

[Royal Dalton]

Why is Kincade even at Skyfall Lodge, though? Does Bond send him there? Or is there something to that surrogate father thing we were talking about before?

[Shrublands]

Why is Kincade even at Skyfall Lodge, though? Does Bond send him there? Or is there something to that surrogate father thing we were talking about before?

I think he lives at the lodge, that’s where he keeps this elaborate collection of antique guns that we must get to see.

[Royal Dalton]

Ah yes, that's right. I forgot about that.

[S K Y F A L L]

I can easily see Kincade as being a former 'M' and predecessor to Dench's 'M', and they are somehow both involved in some past decision. Something that has to do with Silva, which is why he is 'excited' at seeing them together (as someone mentioned elsewhere on this forum).

Yes, this makes sense.
I also think that Kincade must be part of the reason M and Bond go to Scotland, I've never been convinced that they are simply on the run, as it were.
And the mission that is being talked about in the teaser trailer (apparently) is called Skyfall – the house’s name cannot be a coincidence.

This all reminds me of Ian Fleming's Operation Golden Eye in WW2 and his Goldeneye estate.

[MattofSteel]

I posted it in another thread, but yes, my theory is as much: Skyfall was an MI6 operation named by Bond after his family estate (so the inverse of Fleming's life, but still clearly inspired by) and it's emotional connection will somehow provide a metaphorical parallel for the character to whatever actual spy-related events are happening in the film. Nice and Flemingesque - but I'm not writing it, so who knows?

[S K Y F A L L]

That is something I never though about, Bond naming the mission after his family estate but I don't understand why he would name it. Unless he was assigned to help create the mission because of his in the field expertise. But then why would Kincade have a gun collection at Bond manor?