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[DamnCoffee]

Also, it looks like we have Patrices' target. A chinese business man.

[Kristian]

Who's Patrice? Is she another Bond Girl? In another thread's action breakdown of SKYFALL, it is stated that Scene 64 has Bond trailing Patrice in Shanghai. Is she pivotal to the plot like Eve and Severine, or is she a "Peaceful Fountains of Desire"-type of chick like in DAD who is eye candy for one scene then gone?

And who;s playing her?

Patrice is presumably a male assassin played by Ola Rapace in the film.

Ah, those damn unisex names. Thanks, Univex (no pun intended).....,

I have a feeling the order of names in SKYFALL's opening credits will go like: Daniel Craig, Javier Bardem, Naomi Harris, Berenice Marlohe, etc. etc. etc. etc. then WIth Ralph Fiennes as Gareth Mallory and And Judi Dench as M.

[Whalltt]

Who's Patrice? Is she another Bond Girl? In another thread's action breakdown of SKYFALL, it is stated that Scene 64 has Bond trailing Patrice in Shanghai. Is she pivotal to the plot like Eve and Severine, or is she a "Peaceful Fountains of Desire"-type of chick like in DAD who is eye candy for one scene then gone?

And who;s playing her?

Patrice is presumably a male assassin played by Ola Rapace in the film.

Ah, those damn unisex names. Thanks, Univex (no pun intended).....,

I have a feeling the order of names in SKYFALL's opening credits will go like: Daniel Craig, Javier Bardem, Naomi Harris, Berenice Marlohe, etc. etc. etc. etc. then WIth Ralph Fiennes as Gareth Mallory and And Judi Dench as M.

Or with Ralph Fiennes and Judi Dench both as M...

kidding

[Kristian]

Bardems first name revealed.

Interesting - #17 is "Floating Dragon Cashier", which lends credence to the suggestion that there is a floating casino in the film. #19 is "Asian Business Men (Sniper Target)", which is curious because it's a plural. And #29 to #31 are described as "Severine Bodyguards, #1, #2 and #3", so that naturally demands the question of who Severine is and why does she need three bodyguards? And then there is #38, #52 and #53, stunt crew for a boat. There's also a whole lot of minor roles (#60 to #99) that are not listed on the sheet, but so too are #20, #26 and #28. I wonder why that might be?

I always got an exotic, half-breed, woman-in-power feel about Severine just like Elektra King turned out to be: another exotic, half-breed, woman-in-power who turned out to be a baddie. I read somewhere that Berenice M. is half-Chinese or something? Could she be playing a Eurasian chick? Does Severine have ties to the Shanghai location? I really hope she doesn't get killed off. So tired of the secondary Bond women getting iced by the time the end credits rolls around. For once, I'd like to see one make it just fine to the very end, like Lupe in LTK.

Anyone else think (or hope) Sam Mendes and crew might just think outside the box and find a better fate for Severine. Because we all know Eve is going to make it.

[Vauxhall]

"Half-breed" is an interesting choice of adjective... I think Severine is possibly the main character that we know least about, to this point. The fact she has three bodyguards is our first real clue, but I have no idea really. My instinct is that Bond encounters her at the casino in Macau, but I have no real reason for saying so! Just seems tough to fit her in elsewhere.

[Kristian]

"Half-breed" is an interesting choice of adjective... I think Severine is possibly the main character that we know least about, to this point. The fact she has three bodyguards is our first real clue, but I have no idea really. My instinct is that Bond encounters her at the casino in Macau, but I have no real reason for saying so! Just seems tough to fit her in elsewhere.

But hasn't Marlohe as Severine been filming in London, as well. I seemed to notice her presence in some of the behind-the-scene interviews with Harris, whom we know has been filming. I got the impression that Severine's been in the London scenes, as well. Hope so...

[Royal Dalton]

I think Bond might encounter her first in that office building in Shanghai. But I'm only basing that on the possibility that they could have cribbed some bits from the 1991 script.

[Vauxhall]

"Half-breed" is an interesting choice of adjective... I think Severine is possibly the main character that we know least about, to this point. The fact she has three bodyguards is our first real clue, but I have no idea really. My instinct is that Bond encounters her at the casino in Macau, but I have no real reason for saying so! Just seems tough to fit her in elsewhere.

But hasn't Marlohe as Severine been filming in London, as well. I seemed to notice her presence in some of the behind-the-scene interviews with Harris, whom we know has been filming. I got the impression that Severine's been in the London scenes, as well. Hope so...

I haven't seen anything of her, personally. I'd certainly imagine she's been filming in London though; the Macau scenes are all being shot at Pinewood, I believe.

[Kristian]

"Half-breed" is an interesting choice of adjective... I think Severine is possibly the main character that we know least about, to this point. The fact she has three bodyguards is our first real clue, but I have no idea really. My instinct is that Bond encounters her at the casino in Macau, but I have no real reason for saying so! Just seems tough to fit her in elsewhere.

But hasn't Marlohe as Severine been filming in London, as well. I seemed to notice her presence in some of the behind-the-scene interviews with Harris, whom we know has been filming. I got the impression that Severine's been in the London scenes, as well. Hope so...

I haven't seen anything of her, personally. I'd certainly imagine she's been filming in London though; the Macau scenes are all being shot at Pinewood, I believe.

Thanks, V. So, if the Shangai scenes are in the 60-65 range of scene numbers, does that Severine enters the action halfway through the script - or much sooner than that. We know that 1 script page is about 1 screen minute, but surely we can't apply that rule to scene numbers because scenes are sometimes very short of very long. Right?

Personally, I hope Severine enters the action much sooner than the halfway mark. One of the things about TWINE that I would've changed was to bring Christmas Jones into play much sooner than the halfway mark at the nuclear silo. Ordinarily this would've been fine, but when Bruce Fierstein rewrote Dana Stevens' draft and cut down on Christmas' pro-activeness and switches it all to Bond, it kind of took away from her somewhat. I firmly believe Denise R. would not have gotten as much flak as she did, if Christmas had remained as prominent as she did in second-to-the-last draft of TWINE. Still, I like Dr. Jones - she's a fun presence in an otherwise serious film.

Anyway, all that by way of saying I find Severine the most intriguing of the main players. Harris is one of my fave actresses, but she's also playing my least favorite type of Bond Girl - the Female Bond. I hope she and the writers find ways to make Eve a more interesting character than Jinx.

[Captain Tightpants]

Raoul...so, not Portuguese then. In Portugal it would be Raul and not Raoul.

Not necessarily. "Raoul" might just be a variant that his parents liked, though I doubt the film will go into detail as to exactly how his name was chosen. I had a kid in one of my classes who spelt his name "Nathanael", rather than "Nathaniel", but his parents were not French.

Could she be playing a Eurasian chick?

Probably not - Berenice Marlohe isn't even a little bit Asian.

Because we all know Eve is going to make it.

No, we don't.

Who's Patrice? Is she another Bond Girl?

Patrice is (probably) being played by Ola Rapace. You might know "Patrice" as a feminine name, but it's also the French form of "Patrick".

And with "Severine" also being a French name, I can't help but wonder if there is a connection between the two characters.

[univex]

I understand that´s the case sometimes Captain Tightpants, but I assure you that no Portuguese is named Raoul except if he has some sort of spanish heritage. Raul is Raul here. But, like I said, maybe he´s a luso-spanish villain.

[Pussfeller]

I was under the impression that "Raoul" was the French form of the name, whereas the Spanish version was "Raúl".

[Captain Tightpants]

It would be one more connection to Severine and Patrice ...

maybe he´s a luso-spanish villain.

That would make sense, what with Bardem being Spanish. And also because he was supposedly a Brazilian (yes, I know the accent is different) in EAT PRAY LOVE, but took a lot of criticism for it because he sounded Spanish.

That said, I doubt EON are going to be in a hurry to write a character as having a mixed background again. They obviously did it with Camille because Olga Kurylenko's native Ukrainian started showing through, and while Luso-Spanish makes more sense than Bolivian-Ukrainian, I don't think they'll be in a hurry to write Bardem that way.

I don't think it's really a problem unless Silva's name appears on-screen. Is there much difference in pronounciation of "Raul" and "Raoul"?

[univex]

There´s a slight difference in accent, yes. Oh well, another mistery from the EON offices.

[Vauxhall]

Of course, could be a typo on a holding document, and it will indeed end up being Raul Silva. Probably the sort of conundrum that will remain unclarified until the closing credits.

[univex]

Yep. Still, not very memorable.

[Luigi Ferrari]

"Half-breed" is an interesting choice of adjective... I think Severine is possibly the main character that we know least about, to this point. The fact she has three bodyguards is our first real clue, but I have no idea really. My instinct is that Bond encounters her at the casino in Macau, but I have no real reason for saying so! Just seems tough to fit her in elsewhere.

But hasn't Marlohe as Severine been filming in London, as well. I seemed to notice her presence in some of the behind-the-scene interviews with Harris, whom we know has been filming. I got the impression that Severine's been in the London scenes, as well. Hope so...

I haven't seen anything of her, personally. I'd certainly imagine she's been filming in London though; the Macau scenes are all being shot at Pinewood, I believe.

Thanks, V. So, if the Shangai scenes are in the 60-65 range of scene numbers, does that Severine enters the action halfway through the script - or much sooner than that. We know that 1 script page is about 1 screen minute, but surely we can't apply that rule to scene numbers because scenes are sometimes very short of very long. Right?

I understand that this thread is dedicated to Javier Bardem's character , therefore I'll make a quick summary. There is a dedicated thread to discuss the Bond girls.
I'll just make 2 points:
- As reported by Jim in that thread, in a recent issue of Total Film Magazine "Berenice Marlohe claims to have already filmed in "Turkey and some other places where the movie is being shot ", alongside London. "
-it is known that the PTS is set in Turkey but is not yet clear whether there will be another sequence set in Turkey in the film (i.e. between scenes 69 and 120), so , given what we actually know, it's hard to determine how much time she will be on screen.

[Captain Tightpants]

Raoul Silva is just so non memorable and common.

I suppose that, being Portuguese yourself, the name "Raoul Silva" probably sounds quite common. But speaking as someone who is a native English speaker, I think that it really is quite exotic, is short and sharp enough that it doesn't take ten minutes to say, and sounds like it could actually be a person's name. A name like "Octavio Guiomar Nepomuceno da Conceição" sounds like it could be a Portuguese name (I picked it out using names from Behind the Name and the Wikipedia page on Portuguese names), but it's also pretty overwhelming.

[Pussfeller]

I guess a Portuguese speaker would find "Raoul Silva" about as exotic as "Brad Whitaker". But I second Tightpants' impression. The name is not so wild that it's hard for an Anglophone to pronounce or remember, but it works well for a villain. The two names, taken together, have a nice combination of orotundity, rhotic snarl, and liquid slither. Raoulsilva... it's sort of like mocking laughter.

[zencat]

Sweet! Thanks Mharkin. I've been staying spolier free, but I had to click into this one. It's crazy Eon didn't give us the name of the villain in the original press release/conference, especially as we see now it's not something that needed to be kept secret. I mean, the villain is the second most important character in the film. Bring him forward!

Of course, Eon's current mindset seems to have M as the second most important character in this film. *sigh*

[Marketto007]

Mharkin got the credit for posting the image in this thread, and I got the credit for posting the photo on the Skyfall Image Thread. lol

xxx

[Vauxhall]

Might be looking in the wrong place, but it appears that the cast list may now have been removed from 007Collector.

[univex]

Raoul Silva is just so non memorable and common.

I suppose that, being Portuguese yourself, the name "Raoul Silva" probably sounds quite common. But speaking as someone who is a native English speaker, I think that it really is quite exotic, is short and sharp enough that it doesn't take ten minutes to say, and sounds like it could actually be a person's name. A name like "Octavio Guiomar Nepomuceno da Conceição" sounds like it could be a Portuguese name (I picked it out using names from Behind the Name and the Wikipedia page on Portuguese names), but it's also pretty overwhelming.

What can I say? Octavio (nice, very latin) Guiomar (which is usually a woman´s name;) )Nepomuceno (never heard this one) da Conceição, is an overkill. But maybe Octavio, or Urbano, Abreu or Ferro would have sounded cooler. If he is indeed Portuguese, of course.

My own name would be the equivalent of a James Bond if I were a Brit. Even has the same kind of sound to it. So I can´t complain

[univex]

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[Marketto007]

Might be looking in the wrong place, but it appears that the cast list may now have been removed from 007Collector.

Yep. Michael Hackl, the editor of 007Collector has removed the Call Sheets. Guess someone scared him talking about my issue last week.

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[The Dove]

Ahh well..it was fun while it lasted...Seriously, EON should make some sort of official announcement re the character names one of these days.. All this secrecy is driving us Bond fans bonkers!!

[007jamesbond]

I think EON should just tell us these character names NOW so these call sheet won't have to everywhere online for everyone to see...it isn't that hard..........

[Kristian]

Raoul Silva is just so non memorable and common.

I suppose that, being Portuguese yourself, the name "Raoul Silva" probably sounds quite common. But speaking as someone who is a native English speaker, I think that it really is quite exotic, is short and sharp enough that it doesn't take ten minutes to say, and sounds like it could actually be a person's name. A name like "Octavio Guiomar Nepomuceno da Conceição" sounds like it could be a Portuguese name (I picked it out using names from Behind the Name and the Wikipedia page on Portuguese names), but it's also pretty overwhelming.

I quite like the moniker "Silva". I agree that some long-winded moniker might have been more memorable - but for the wrong reasons. Overwhelming, but also almost comical. Given that SKYFALL seems to be a spare, stark, Fleming-esque outing, I think Silva fits the bill nicely...

Oh, and thanks to Luigi F. for the kind reminder that this is a thread dedicated to Javi B's character - and not the ladies. Let me just add one last input on that subject: it's good to know that Berenice M. has filmed in Turkey and London (even if it is at pinewood for Turkey/China interiors?) and will also shoot in Shanghai. At least she seems to be a "bigger" character than Solange or Fields - who never really strayed beyond one location.

[Napoleon Solo]

Might be looking in the wrong place, but it appears that the cast list may now have been removed from 007Collector.

It has.

[Captain Tightpants]

But maybe Octavio, or Urbano, Abreu or Ferro would have sounded cooler. If he is indeed Portuguese, of course.

"Urbano Macieira Serrador" sounds like a good name for a villain. Again, I lifted it entirely from Behind the Name and Wikipedia.