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[Matt_13]

This whole idea fits with the way I've always considered Bond or film in general - one's "favourite" Bond film and what one considers the "best" Bond film can often be completely different entries.

That is the exact same way I view the franchise and movies in general. There are some movies that are clearly better than others, but when it comes to personal preference, what's necessarily "better" doesn't come into play.

[SecretAgentFan]

New standards are set by the Avatars of this world.

By that I hope mean standards lowered? I fail to see how AVATAR has really "changed the game."

Exactly. Apart from the 3D-craze that Cameron forced on us, the film did not achieve anything else.

[Simon]

!

Ok, perhaps Avatar was the wrong example. My actual point, which now may be lost, was that Bond used to be game changing, but that now, its very heritage will counter any possibility that the series will be game changing again.

Forget Avatar, indeed no more examples.

OK?

[stamper]

WTF? Avatar is game changing, in more ways than 3D. if you thing otherwise you're an uneducated goon and have no business on a Bond Board. It's fancy to blast Avatar, to look good and cool. But really you're just an idiotic Hooligan. you just don't get it. trying to explain it to you is like explaining music to someone who is tone deaf. die.

[Pussfeller]

WTF? Avatar is game changing, in more ways than 3D. if you thing otherwise you're an uneducated goon and have no business on a Bond Board. It's fancy to blast Avatar, to look good and cool. But really you're just an idiotic Hooligan. you just don't get it. trying to explain it to you is like explaining music to someone who is tone deaf. die.

I laughed five times while reading this post.

1. "thing otherwise"
2. "no business on a Bond Board" - is that what Pierce rode to escape the tidal wave?
3. "good and cool"
4. "Hooligan", capitalized
5. "die."

Also, I laughed when I read it aloud in the voice of Götz Otto.

[Vauxhall]

WTF? Avatar is game changing, in more ways than 3D. if you thing otherwise you're an uneducated goon and have no business on a Bond Board. It's fancy to blast Avatar, to look good and cool. But really you're just an idiotic Hooligan. you just don't get it. trying to explain it to you is like explaining music to someone who is tone deaf. die.

"Idiotic hooligan"? No. I just happen to think AVATAR is far and away the most overrated and overhyped movie of the past decade, and its superficiality is extraordinary. That's an opinion though, not a statement of fact, and I appreciate that most other people wouldn't agree with me.

Anyway, as you observed, this is a Bond board, so I'll move on. If SKYFALL is to really capture a classic, Sixties feeling, I think that a lot of the onus is on Roger Deakins to create a unique look for a 21st century action film. Very excited to see what he comes up with.

[Jim]

WTF? Avatar is game changing, in more ways than 3D. if you thing otherwise you're an uneducated goon and have no business on a Bond Board. It's fancy to blast Avatar, to look good and cool. But really you're just an idiotic Hooligan. you just don't get it. trying to explain it to you is like explaining music to someone who is tone deaf. die.

You could have delivered that with a bit more Fridayness about it, y'know.

[Loomis]

WTF? Avatar is game changing, in more ways than 3D.

How so?

[The Shark]

WTF? Avatar is game changing, in more ways than 3D. if you thing otherwise you're an uneducated goon and have no business on a Bond Board. It's fancy to blast Avatar, to look good and cool. But really you're just an idiotic Hooligan. you just don't get it. trying to explain it to you is like explaining music to someone who is tone deaf. die.

This has gotta be satire.

[Dustin]

But not from The New Yorker I suppose...

[BourneAgainBond]

i think what they mean by a 60's feel is that they seem to be using sets that have been around since the 60's.

like the royale navy college or i saw an image of an office or hotel they plan to use which looks more like M's office from the Connery's films a wooden desk not a modern one. maybe they will make a reference to Bonds earlier days in the navy.

but its hard to think that its going to feel like a classic 60's bond film when 007 is running around wearing a blue tooth in scenes that look very jason bourne

Edited by BourneAgainBond, 20 January 2012 - 11:38 PM.

[univex]

i think what they mean by a 60's feel is that they seem to be using sets that have been around since the 60's.

like the royale navy college or i saw an image of an office or hotel they plan to use which looks more like M's office from the Connery's films a wooden desk not a modern one. maybe they will make a reference to Bonds earlier days in the navy.

but its hard to think that its going to feel like a classic 60's bond film when 007 is running around wearing a blue tooth in scenes that look very jason bourne

So I suppose we can take your name as criticism? Although it´s very hard to see how you can tell that by some pictures of Daniel Craig in a suit and tie (which Bourne never had, he´d look like a bodyguard, a pitbull with a suit).

[Captain Tightpants]

its hard to think that its going to feel like a classic 60's bond film when 007 is running around wearing a blue tooth in scenes that look very jason bourne

So because he has a bluetooth system, he's copying Jason Bourne?

[univex]

its hard to think that its going to feel like a classic 60's bond film when 007 is running around wearing a blue tooth in scenes that look very jason bourne

So because he has a bluetooth system, he's copying Jason Bourne?

My thoughts exactly. Besides, I don´t think Mendes - as a life long Bond fan - would like to emulate Bourne. The man and everybody else is saying SF will take huge influence in what we love about the character, both in the books and films. I don´t think we have to be afraid of the Bond-Bourne connection this time around. But I see where this comes from. We had the cgi fright fomr DUD and then we had the Bourne fright with QOS (well, some seem to think so), but, in the end, it´s all about the script and the director, so I don´t think we´ll have to fear CGI or Bourne.

[Captain Tightpants]

We know Bond is shadowing Bardem in this scene. And he's also wearing a bluetooth. I think MI6 might be trying to stage a co-ordinated take-down.

[BourneAgainBond]

i really enjoy this site! its really cool to be able to meet others with the same interest in the 007 series. and its been great for me because of all our opinions i learn to she things in other points of view. not just my own narrow minded views. i love it when someone comments on my own comments good or bad.

my name bourneagainbond is a reference to my disappointment that brosnan didn't return for a 5th 007 film because some producers didn't think he would match up against the bourne supremacy or something.
and because of that i lost some interest into 007 but i became a born again bond fan when i heard that the producers want craig to do eight films.

i always thought that the 007 series should be seven films for each era and i believe that the producers are trying to get craig on board for 8 films to make up for the one they missed twice (once during the 6 year hiatus which would have been great if dalton did a 3rd 007 film on the 30th anniversary in 1992) and the second not having back brosnan for a fifth 007 film to make up for the missing 3rd dalton film.

if anyone has those 007 box sets that came in 3 packs of 7,7, and 6 it just seems like dalton and brosnan's era was left unfinished

Edited by BourneAgainBond, 21 January 2012 - 03:20 AM.

[BourneAgainBond]

its hard to think that its going to feel like a classic 60's bond film when 007 is running around wearing a blue tooth in scenes that look very jason bourne

So because he has a bluetooth system, he's copying Jason Bourne?

maybe you should watch the bourne films again and then watch casino royale and quantum
brosnan's bond wasn't running to the phone to call mommy (M) every time some new information came up in his investigation
craig and M's relationship seemed to turn into one like jason bourne and pamela landy
even as early as moonraker you can see that the 007 films started ripping off or emulating other popular films like star wars
when they reboot batman they jumped on that reboot band wagon which i though was a bad idea
remember that scene in QOS when bond is in the elevator and fights the body guards off that happened in mission impossible 3
and if it was going to be an introduction to how bond got his licence to kill the whole movie should have been about the 2 kills he needed to get his double status
in CR and QOS bonds trying to get revenge just like bourne was trying to get revenge on who killed his love-interest in the bourne supremacy
remember in CR how bond some how with no explanation got M's password and username its like their trying to match bourne's teleological understanding
and i could go on
Albert Finney was in the last bourne film and is going to be in the bourne legacy aswell as daniel craigs wife

We know Bond is shadowing Bardem in this scene. And he's also wearing a bluetooth. I think MI6 might be trying to stage a co-ordinated take-down.

i hope not sounds like mission impossible 3

Edited by BourneAgainBond, 21 January 2012 - 03:56 AM.

[Captain Tightpants]

brosnan's bond wasn't running to the phone to call mommy (M) every time some new information came up in his investigation

Jason Bourne never called anyone when new information came up.

craig and M's relationship seemed to turn into one like jason bourne and pamela landy

Landy was characterised as the Agency's expert on Jason Bourne. Whenever the CIA tried to catch him, she was a consultant. She wasn't his boss - she was the one in charge of catching him.

when they reboot batman they jumped on that reboot band wagon which i though was a bad idea

Bond needed a reboot just as much as Batman did. There was no way to come back from the disaster that was DIE ANOTHER DAY with dignity intact.

remember that scene in QOS when bond is in the elevator and fights the body guards off that happened in mission impossible 3

And in countless other action films.

and if it was going to be an introduction to how bond got his licence to kill the whole movie should have been about the 2 kills he needed to get his double status

Why?

in CR and QOS bonds trying to get revenge just like bourne was trying to get revenge on who killed his love-interest in the bourne supremacy

Neither of the are trying to get revenge. Bond wants to know how and why Vesper was put in a position where she felt the only way out was to kill herself. Although he considers revenge, he quickly abandons the idea - it's just everyone around him who thinks he wants revenge.

As for Bourne, he does not want revenge. He is simply trying to clear his name.

remember in CR how bond some how with no explanation got M's password and username its like their trying to match bourne's teleological understanding

How does Bond's ability to know things he should not mean he is copying Bourne's understanding of technology? CASINO ROYALE makes it pretty plain that Bond did not break into the MI6 servers by decoding M's password - but rather, that he already knew them.

Albert Finney was in the last bourne film and is going to be in the bourne legacy

That's only a problem if Finney's character in SKYFALL is a doctor who reprograms people into becoming assassins. As far as we know, he's not. Most of the rumours suggest that he will be playing a career politician who holds enough power to get himself assigned to oversee M.

aswell as daniel craigs wife

And what does that have to do with SKYFALL?

i hope not sounds like mission impossible 3

How? When I saw the bluetooth piece in Bond's ear, my first thought was that Bond was communicating with other agents, trying to get them into position ahead of Bardem so that Bond would shepherd him into a trap. Bardem would be so concerned with Bond's presence that he would miss the other MI6 agents scattered about. MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE 3 was nothing like this.

If you're so convinced that SKYFALL is just going to be a Bond film ripping off a dozen other films, the solution to your problem is simple: don't watch it.

[BourneAgainBond]

brosnan's bond wasn't running to the phone to call mommy (M) every time some new information came up in his investigation

Jason Bourne never called anyone when new information came up.

i believe he sent a recording to landy's character and he contacted her when he was trying to clear his name

craig and M's relationship seemed to turn into one like jason bourne and pamela landy

Landy was characterised as the Agency's expert on Jason Bourne. Whenever the CIA tried to catch him, she was a consultant. She wasn't his boss - she was the one in charge of catching him.

yet when see had the chance she became passionate towards him giving him his real name and the location of the training faculty

when they reboot batman they jumped on that reboot band wagon which i though was a bad idea

Bond needed a reboot just as much as Batman did. There was no way to come back from the disaster that was DIE ANOTHER DAY with dignity intact.

well roger moore returned after moonraker in for your eyes only and its one of his favorite bond films as well as being popular among-est bond fans

remember that scene in QOS when bond is in the elevator and fights the body guards off that happened in mission impossible 3

And in countless other action films.

for whatever reason i hated that scene when bond kicks one of the guys legs back into the elevator some reason. i couldn't see connery doing that

and if it was going to be an introduction to how bond got his licence to kill the whole movie should have been about the 2 kills he needed to get his double status

Why?

just my opinion dude, when i heard that they are rebooting the series i thought i remember them saying its going to be an origin story not his first mission as 007
i don't think it was worth throwing away 40 years of continuity for the first 2 minutes of casino royale

in CR and QOS bonds trying to get revenge just like bourne was trying to get revenge on who killed his love-interest in the bourne supremacy

Neither of the are trying to get revenge. Bond wants to know how and why Vesper was put in a position where she felt the only way out was to kill herself. Although he considers revenge, he quickly abandons the idea - it's just everyone around him who thinks he wants revenge.

As for Bourne, he does not want revenge. He is simply trying to clear his name.

so bond is trying to find out why vesper died
and bourne is trying to find out why they killed his girlfriend only to discover who he is before deciding to clear his name

remember in CR how bond some how with no explanation got M's password and username its like their trying to match bourne's teleological understanding

How does Bond's ability to know things he should not mean he is copying Bourne's understanding of technology? CASINO ROYALE makes it pretty plain that Bond did not break into the MI6 servers by decoding M's password - but rather, that he already knew them.

yes but they don't explain how he knows it

i just meant in the sense that bourne is taping phones and using the internet to findout what he needs to know (like any film) and is always on the move thus blue tooth
and bond just so happens to start to do the same thing although it never happens in the previous brosnan films

remember when bourne calls landy's character and asks to meet that girl and shes all like what if we can't find her, "because shes standing right next to you"
kinda like that scene in QOS when he suggests that the members of quantum "find a better place to meet"

Albert Finney was in the last bourne film and is going to be in the bourne legacy

That's only a problem if Finney's character in SKYFALL is a doctor who reprograms people into becoming assassins. As far as we know, he's not. Most of the rumours suggest that he will be playing a career politician who holds enough power to get himself assigned to oversee M.

so in the bourne films albert finney plays a character who would probably out rank landy's character
and if rumors or true then albert finney character in skyfall would out rank M

aswell as daniel craigs wife

And what does that have to do with SKYFALL?

nothing but craig has a inside source about what the bourne films will be doing

i hope not sounds like mission impossible 3

How? When I saw the bluetooth piece in Bond's ear, my first thought was that Bond was communicating with other agents, trying to get them into position ahead of Bardem so that Bond would shepherd him into a trap. Bardem would be so concerned with Bond's presence that he would miss the other MI6 agents scattered about. MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE 3 was nothing like this.

kind of like how bourne uses that journalist to shepherd the people after him into a trap?

what i meant about mission impossible 3 was that they are trying to capture a high profile target discreetly, so i'm hoping that bond isn't going to try and do the same thing by capturing bardem discreetly to get to his handlers

If you're so convinced that SKYFALL is just going to be a Bond film ripping off a dozen other films, the solution to your problem is simple: don't watch it.

no that is incorrect, you don't just ignore your problems you attempt to resolve them, which i'm trying to do by joining this wicked forum and expressing myself though opinion

that is all this is just my opinion sorry if it sucks but i have hope that i'll get over it by channeling my disappointments with other fans whom feel the way

would it be ok if i added you as a friend?

[Jim]

its hard to think that its going to feel like a classic 60's bond film when 007 is running around wearing a blue tooth in scenes that look very jason bourne

So because he has a bluetooth system, he's copying Jason Bourne?

maybe you should watch the bourne films again and then watch casino royale and quantum
brosnan's bond wasn't running to the phone to call mommy (M) every time some new information came up in his investigation
craig and M's relationship seemed to turn into one like jason bourne and pamela landy
even as early as moonraker you can see that the 007 films started ripping off or emulating other popular films like star wars
when they reboot batman they jumped on that reboot band wagon which i though was a bad idea
remember that scene in QOS when bond is in the elevator and fights the body guards off that happened in mission impossible 3
and if it was going to be an introduction to how bond got his licence to kill the whole movie should have been about the 2 kills he needed to get his double status
in CR and QOS bonds trying to get revenge just like bourne was trying to get revenge on who killed his love-interest in the bourne supremacy
remember in CR how bond some how with no explanation got M's password and username its like their trying to match bourne's teleological understanding
and i could go on
Albert Finney was in the last bourne film and is going to be in the bourne legacy aswell as daniel craigs wife

We know Bond is shadowing Bardem in this scene. And he's also wearing a bluetooth. I think MI6 might be trying to stage a co-ordinated take-down.

i hope not sounds like mission impossible 3

And when I subjected myself to Die Another Day, I thought there was loads of stuff in that that they'd nicked from other films. Did anyone else spot that? I can't be alone in that, can I?

[univex]

You certainly aren´t Jim. But then again, you knew that

[Pussfeller]

The Madonna cameo was a tribute to Moonraker, in which the pop star was invoked by an Italian scientist. And the smug, puffy spy was a clever homage to Diamonds Are Forever.

[univex]

And the smug, puffy spy was a clever homage to Diamonds Are Forever.

Come to think about it, the entire film was an homage to DAF. Puffy spy, diamonds and satellites, gay henchman (yes, both Zao with Graves and Miranda with Jinx, sexual innuendos and tension all over the place there), ...

[BourneAgainBond]

maybe they will return to using the "007 theme" not to be confused with the "james bond theme" that would give it a sixties feel, right?

[SecretAgentFan]

Am I the only one who thinks that the "007 theme" sounds too 60´s-ish these days? It has such a jolly, happy melody it would be kind of inappropriate in the Craig era, IMO.

[DamnCoffee]

Yeah, I'm not big on the 007 Theme, either. It's a nice piece, but I feel it would be totally out of place in the Craig era. Can't imagine a darker variation of it at all.

Edited by Mharkin, 01 February 2012 - 02:02 PM.

[MattofSteel]

I thought it was inappropriate in any era. Everyone's always clamouring for the 007 theme and I've never understood why. It's a cute bit of orchestral nostalgia, but I'll take a mix of the standard Norman/Barry 'James Bond Theme' anyday.

[SecretAgentFan]

I do like it for its gung ho- heroic style. It captures a "couldn´t care less and having fun with it"-side of the character. But these days... well, maybe Craig has to earn it in SKYFALL?

[univex]

Love the 007 theme, very epic-Bond. And the drums and horns!

[BourneAgainBond]

ya i love that theme too but i think their right i could see it as a little too austin powers if done today, but maybe newman could modernize it?