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[DamnCoffee]

So, there's been a lot of talk recently over what exactly Skyfall actually is. A lot of great ideas have been thrown around the boards, so I've made a poll. What exactly do you think Skyfall could be? Biological warfare sounds like it could be really interesting. Bond getting ill? Trying to find a cure for himself, and the many others taken ill? Sounds a bit generic, I know. If done right though, could be great. Another really interesting idea is that it's an operation M hushed up during the cold war. Heading to M's downfall. Those are my top two, but I think I'm going to have to vote for the latter.

I did originally have 'The Villain's plan' up there, but if it is, then it would fall into other categories.

[Ace Roberts]

I know when I first heard the name Skyfall, I thought it might have something to do with the codename given to a huge security breech within MI6 - possibly brought on by an unsuspecting M. This codename would send a message to all within the agency to trust no one, and suspect everyone. The old "the sky is falling" kind of warning.

To me, that played - and still plays - along with the official synopsis of M's past haunting her, and MI6 coming under attack.

[MattofSteel]

I'm with Ace Roberts. Operational code name in the vein of Thunderball, GoldenEye, Moonraker would be my guess - reserved for some sort of nightmare, apocalyptic scenario (whether an actual nuclear war - unlikely - or a localized crisis inside MI6).

The 'emotional context'...that throws the theory for a bit of a loop. Someone mentioned it's the name of the 'ancestral residence' home / Scottish castle - be it M's, Bond's, the villain's, whomever.

[SecretAgentFan]

So, there's been a lot of talk recently over what exactly Skyfall actually is. A lot of great ideas have been thrown around the boards, so I've made a poll. What exactly do you think Skyfall could be? Biological warfare sounds like it could be really interesting. Bond getting ill? Trying to find a cure for himself, and the many others taken ill? Sounds a bit generic, I know. If done right though, could be great. Another really interesting idea is that it's an operation M hushed up during the cold war. Heading to M's downfall. Those are my top two, but I think I'm going to have to vote for the latter.

I did originally have 'The Villain's plan' up there, but if it is, then it would fall into other categories.

I must say - the virus plot has been done to death. And "24" covered all ground on that before.

I´d rather have a secret plot M has put in motion which now comes back to wreak havoc on MI6. Maybe an emergency plan which has the military take over the government? Or some sleeper agents being awakened by mistake...

[The Shark]

SKYFALL isn't a film, it's a state of mind.

[DamnCoffee]

Yes, when I was writing out the idea for biological warfare, I was picturing Jack Bauer all the way through.

[TCK]

Skyfall is like Rabbit's foot in Mission : impossible III, a maguffin.

[MattofSteel]

Is 'Skyfall' a noun? Does a maguffin have to be a noun? Have I wasted too much time asking this already?

[Skudor]

I'll go with it being a code word for an all out disaster scenario (nukes are flying etc.), which is ultimately what Bond is trying to stop in the film (which could ultimately be the old M mission angle).

A fair bit of the Fleming canon depends on links with WW2 - we're now in an era where the Cold War can fill in for that.

[Captain Tightpants]

I still like my theory that "Skyfall" was an off-the-books operation that M ran during the Cold War, and subsequently covered it up because it was embarrassing/ended badly/raised too many difficult questions/all of the above.

[007jamesbond]

I thinking it is a Cold weapon weapon that was never used and M who is part of the small group who knows about the weapon. The Cold war weapon as the Producer said "physical element". Not sure about emotional part

[x007AceOfSpades]

To me, The Cold War sounds more logical, just cause.

[univex]

To me, The Cold War sounds more logical, just cause.

It also sounds cooler

[Nicolas Suszczyk]

So, there's been a lot of talk recently over what exactly Skyfall actually is.

The trademark of Bond's razor blade shaver

Maybe the plot is about a 60's shaver M hide out somewhere and Bond's trying to recover to get a shave

Thank God the reputation system is gone... this post would have been awarded with a -5 for sure!

[univex]

Thank God the reputation system is gone...

Just noticed that! Brilliant! Finally!!!

[Captain Tightpants]

Alright, here's an idea of what "Skyfall" might be: a backup plan.

As we all know, the world came very close to destroying itself during the Cuban Missile Crisis. But there was a second episode twenty years later, known as Able Archer 83. It was conceived by NATO countries as an exercise to simulate a nuclear attack (and even simulated a movement from DEFCON-5 all the way through to DEFCON-1), while the Soviets were busy trying to perfect a means of anticipating a nuclear incident, and they ended up mistaking NATO wargames as preparations for a pre-emptive strike because they believed that NATO would move nuclear devices into position under the guise of wargames.

So here's what I think "Skyfall" could be: an exercise or plan similar to Able Archer 83. When news first broke that BOND 23 could be SKYFALL, a lot of people turned to Chicken Little and the saying "the sky is falling, go and tell the king". But what if there is no king to tell? "Skyfall" could be a Cold War-era plan to capitalise on the power of paranoia and hysteria - to stage an attack on Russia that would force the Soviet high command to double back and regroup, creating a vacuum in leadership. While the Russians are in the process of evaluating the situation, MI6 moves to mislead Soviet citizens into believing they are leaderless through a disinformation campaign. When the Russian high command finally comes back on-line, they find that the Soviet Union is fractured into hundreds of stateless pockets of people, and they have to spend time getting everything back in order, distracting them from the rest of the world. It would be a way of incapacitating the government without actually firing a single shot. "Skyfall" would take advantage of paranoia and hysteria, leading people to believe they are in a crisis and have no-one to lead them. The plan, however, would never have been put into action - until the events of SKYFALL, when someone uses it against London. With information that the attack is real, MI6 and the government are forced to suspend their operations, regroup, and await futher intelligence. In the meantime, England is rudderless.

[SecretAgentFan]

Alright, here's an idea of what "Skyfall" might be: a backup plan.

As we all know, the world came very close to destroying itself during the Cuban Missile Crisis. But there was a second episode twenty years later, known as Able Archer 83. It was conceived by NATO countries as an exercise to simulate a nuclear attack (and even simulated a movement from DEFCON-5 all the way through to DEFCON-1), while the Soviets were busy trying to perfect a means of anticipating a nuclear incident, and they ended up mistaking NATO wargames as preparations for a pre-emptive strike because they believed that NATO would move nuclear devices into position under the guise of wargames.

So here's what I think "Skyfall" could be: an exercise or plan similar to Able Archer 83. When news first broke that BOND 23 could be SKYFALL, a lot of people turned to Chicken Little and the saying "the sky is falling, go and tell the king". But what if there is no king to tell? "Skyfall" could be a Cold War-era plan to capitalise on the power of paranoia and hysteria - to stage an attack on Russia that would force the Soviet high command to double back and regroup, creating a vacuum in leadership. While the Russians are in the process of evaluating the situation, MI6 moves to mislead Soviet citizens into believing they are leaderless through a disinformation campaign. When the Russian high command finally comes back on-line, they find that the Soviet Union is fractured into hundreds of stateless pockets of people, and they have to spend time getting everything back in order, distracting them from the rest of the world. It would be a way of incapacitating the government without actually firing a single shot. "Skyfall" would take advantage of paranoia and hysteria, leading people to believe they are in a crisis and have no-one to lead them. The plan, however, would never have been put into action - until the events of SKYFALL, when someone uses it against London. With information that the attack is real, MI6 and the government are forced to suspend their operations, regroup, and await futher intelligence. In the meantime, England is rudderless.

Very interesting!

[Captain Tightpants]

The only problem is that it's actually quite an aggressive move. It's designed to shut a country down. Completely. And if it was ever found to have been carried out by another country, it would be considered an act of war. The natural progression of the idea is that China would be behind it, but there are no Chinese characters, and they stand to gain nothing from it. Indeed, the lead villain is Javier Bardem, and he's likely to be playing a European (or at least Mediterranean) or possibly South American villain, so it's a little difficult to work out why he might be willing to decapitate England like that - or what might connect him to Scotland or China (he could possibly be Turkish in the film).

[Mercator]

Robert Mugabe?

[Shrublands]

We’ve been told Skyfall refers to something geographical (and emotional).
I’m going to have a wild stab and say it has something to do with a mountain in China.
In ancient Chinese myth, Mount Buzhou was a pillar that stopped the sky from falling.

[univex]

Alright, here's an idea of what "Skyfall" might be: a backup plan.

As we all know, the world came very close to destroying itself during the Cuban Missile Crisis. But there was a second episode twenty years later, known as Able Archer 83. It was conceived by NATO countries as an exercise to simulate a nuclear attack (and even simulated a movement from DEFCON-5 all the way through to DEFCON-1), while the Soviets were busy trying to perfect a means of anticipating a nuclear incident, and they ended up mistaking NATO wargames as preparations for a pre-emptive strike because they believed that NATO would move nuclear devices into position under the guise of wargames.

So here's what I think "Skyfall" could be: an exercise or plan similar to Able Archer 83. When news first broke that BOND 23 could be SKYFALL, a lot of people turned to Chicken Little and the saying "the sky is falling, go and tell the king". But what if there is no king to tell? "Skyfall" could be a Cold War-era plan to capitalise on the power of paranoia and hysteria - to stage an attack on Russia that would force the Soviet high command to double back and regroup, creating a vacuum in leadership. While the Russians are in the process of evaluating the situation, MI6 moves to mislead Soviet citizens into believing they are leaderless through a disinformation campaign. When the Russian high command finally comes back on-line, they find that the Soviet Union is fractured into hundreds of stateless pockets of people, and they have to spend time getting everything back in order, distracting them from the rest of the world. It would be a way of incapacitating the government without actually firing a single shot. "Skyfall" would take advantage of paranoia and hysteria, leading people to believe they are in a crisis and have no-one to lead them. The plan, however, would never have been put into action - until the events of SKYFALL, when someone uses it against London. With information that the attack is real, MI6 and the government are forced to suspend their operations, regroup, and await futher intelligence. In the meantime, England is rudderless.

Very interesting!

If it´s not that, Cap, then you have there a solid future Bond script ideia. Very interesting indeed.

[Leon]

skif·fle [skif-uhl]
noun
1. a jazz style of the 1920s deriving from blues, ragtime, and folk music, played by bands made up of both standard and improvised instruments.
2. a style of popular music developed in England during the 1950s, deriving from hillbilly music and rock-'n'-roll, and played on a heterogeneous group of instruments, as guitar, washboard, ceramic jug, washtub, and kazoo.


I'm betting that Bond will be playing the ceramic jug.

[univex]

skif·fle [skif-uhl]
noun
1. a jazz style of the 1920s deriving from blues, ragtime, and folk music, played by bands made up of both standard and improvised instruments.
2. a style of popular music developed in England during the 1950s, deriving from hillbilly music and rock-'n'-roll, and played on a heterogeneous group of instruments, as guitar, washboard, ceramic jug, washtub, and kazoo.
I'm betting that Bond will be playing the ceramic jug.

Daniel Craig playing a ceramic jug = oscar material

[thecasinoroyale]

Loving the idea of a codename for an operation like 'Thunderball'.

Operation Skyfall.


And maybe this comes back to carry out whatever it is in 2012?

Too many interesting ideas!

[TCK]

Skyfall ?

[dinovelvet]

Skyfall ?

Yes! Blofeld is back, after thirty years of living down a chimney.

[stromberg]

No, no, no, you're all wrong, it's...

[Pussfeller]

Marcellus Wallace's soul?

[stromberg]

Marcellus Wallace's soul?

Whatever it is, it's now in that little black box

[Marketto007]

Whatever it is, it's now in that little black box

hahahahaha

xxx