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[Mr. Blofeld]

Did we repeatedly lynch people because they were minorities? No, we did not.

Did we have the Confederate flag in our state flag until very recently? No, we did not.

Did we ever secede from the Union over the ownership and degredation of fellow human beings by the color of their skin? No, we did not.


Your "great people", however, did.

We're done, here.

[Nicolas Suszczyk]

Jim, what are you waiting to ban Mr Blofeld? Because he's thinking he's on his chair stroking a cat and that we're his agents... We should prove him that he's just one of us, and that the admins here can press the button for an explosive chair or all the other deathtraps.

[freemo]

I wonder what Martin Campbell thinks of Rhode Island.

[TheREAL008]

RI and Georgia don't hold a candle to Florida. Don't believe me? Look up Florida's early history, especially when the Spanish were in total control of St. Augustine, slaughteringHuguenots in the 1740's

Or how about Louisiana and Mississippi during the Civil Rights movement?

ENOUGH of the territorial markings gentlemen. Although I admit the history is interesting to a degree, we're here to discuss James Bond.

[Jim]

Did we repeatedly lynch people because they were minorities? No, we did not.

Did we have the Confederate flag in our state flag until very recently? No, we did not.

Did we ever secede from the Union over the ownership and degredation of fellow human beings by the color of their skin? No, we did not.


Your "great people", however, did.

We're done, here.

Oh no we're not. Like Karen Carpenter said, "We've only just begun."

Oh yes you are. More than enough from both of you.

The very definition of a needless argument, given the ostensible subject of the thread.

Please stop this point scoring. Both of you get a point, super, well done, stop it.

If you consider I should be intervening to give either of you what you crave, I really don't want to have to suspend or ban and, as one of you said recently, people just expect that "the government" will always be there to help them out instead of relying upon friends, family, neighbours, churches, charitable organizations, themselves and their God-given common sense. When people become dependent on government they surrender their own lives, albeit without knowing it until it is too late.

Please don't surrender your own common sense to mine - you risk my exercising it in a manner entirely outwith your control and in a manner with which one or both of you will find inevitable and tiresomely postured disfavour - and, for the sake of the other members of the site, please use that common sense to evaluate the atmosphere you are creating for others. Cease this selfishness and get back to the subject, or not at all. Exercise some restraint and pity for the other members and sort yourselves out.

Please proceed with the vibrant discussion of the man who did not direct a film doesn't think much of a film he did not direct "news".

[Righty007]

To be fair, even if Jim wanted to outright ban Mr. Blofeld for his consistent disregard for the CBn Forums policy and excessive bullying, he couldn't because only admins have that ability.

Karma will one day catch up to Mr. Blofeld if it hasn't already (I wouldn't know; I haven't had the displeasure of meeting the troll).

In other words, let's get back on topic. Run along, there's else to see here. Like all trolls, he'll eventually go back under the bridge.

[Mr. Blofeld]

If I'm a troll, then you're still a mod who didn't leave because he abused his power...

See how the game goes? Happy, troll?

Now, this topic... it's probably outlived its usefulness, what with all the rancor it's spawned; time to close up shop.

[coco1997]

Now, this topic... it's probably outlived its usefulness, what with all the rancor it's spawned; time to close up shop.

Considering you weren't even the topic starter, I hardly think that's your decision to make.

[Jim]

Enough spawning of rancours - back to the subject please, if there's much more to say about it.

[Capsule in Space]

I wonder what Martin Campbell thinks of Rhode Island.

He probably thinks that Quantum of Solace lacks Providence, but Rhode Island does not.

[Jim]

http://www.totalfilm...-will-be-edgier

Oh dear. Seems you can't keep a bad film down.

[Miles Miservy]

Sure... and you're posting from the fine state of Georgia, home of numerous monuments to bastards who betrayed their country!

Oh, you want some of that?!? Them thar's fightin' words! How dare you, sir? How dare you insult me and the glory of my people?

#1 Road Island had more Tories and Loyalists than any other state in the Union. You all practically kept the British in the Revolutionary War longer than they would have been had you been helping your fellow American citizens in the first place.

#2 You all got slaughtered at The Battle of Road Island in 1780. Should've known you'd take refuge behind that French vulture, Rochambeau. You know the French had to occupy Newport to help you beat the British, don't you?

#3 Road Island was the last of the original 13 states to ratify the U.S. Constitution. Damn. It's like y'all didn't want to be Americans or something.

#4 Road Island was the largest slave-holding state in the New England colonies, even post-Revolutionary War. 6.3% of the population were slaves at one point.

...it's RHODE ISLAND, you petty drivolous twits!!!

Did we repeatedly lynch people because they were minorities? No, we did not.

Did we have the Confederate flag in our state flag until very recently? No, we did not.

Did we ever secede from the Union over the ownership and degredation of fellow human beings by the color of their skin? No, we did not.


Your "great people", however, did.

We're done, here.

I never understood why descendants of the Confederacy religiously cling to their "Stars & Bars". I think it's very poor form. Considering it was a defeated army, it's not dissimilar to Germans of today religiously clinging to Hitler's swastika.

[univex]

...my people this, my people that...your people this...your people that...

moronic macro pissing contest there

If you consider I should be intervening to give either of you what you crave, I really don't want to have to suspend or ban and, as one of you said recently, people just expect that "the government" will always be there to help them out instead of relying upon friends, family, neighbours, churches, charitable organizations, themselves and their God-given common sense. When people become dependent on government they surrender their own lives, albeit without knowing it until it is too late.

Please don't surrender your own common sense to mine - you risk my exercising it in a manner entirely outwith your control and in a manner with which one or both of you will find inevitable and tiresomely postured disfavour - and, for the sake of the other members of the site, please use that common sense to evaluate the atmosphere you are creating for others. Cease this selfishness and get back to the subject, or not at all. Exercise some restraint and pity for the other members and sort yourselves out.

Best Jim intervention ever
What?! It´s called positive reinforcement
from me Jim, this time.
It´s a very easy road to take - the one that turns very intelligent men into cynics when confronted with too much stupidity from others, and even when confronted with too much power in their hands, and you,Jim, being a very intelligent man, can take care of these forums, intelligently you´ve just proven that. Just...don´t stop being funny on the way And please get more liberal intelligent folks to help you run the place, don´t let it stay on the ropes. Univex out, I hope my opinion doesn´t bother anyone, it´s not meant to, and if it did, I´m sorry in advance

Edited by univex, 03 August 2011 - 04:01 PM.

[00Kevin]

Martin Campbell was right to call QoS a mess, there were alot of experiments that simply did not work IMO.

I didn't see The Green Lantern, but most of Campbell's work has been enjoyable. Goldeneye and Casino Royale are two of my favorite bond films and IMO the best of the past 20 years.

I think that Campbell has what it takes to make a good bond film, maybe his brain is not wired to make a superhero film but he's a good fit for bond. Marc Forster, meanwhile, is a great director in his own way; I really enjoyed 'stranger than fiction' but his style is just not right for bond.

I havn't seen any films of Sam Mendes and I don't know if he's the right fit, but what I will say is that EoN have discovered Martin Campbell who is the right fit for Bond and they need to give him a few more bond films

[TCK]

I wonder what did Marc Forster think about Green Lantern ? Did he get back at him ? It's a wonderful opportunity for him to do it.

[SecretAgentFan]

I wonder what did Marc Forster think about Green Lantern ? Did he get back at him ? It's a wonderful opportunity for him to do it.

I guess some guys are too classy for that.

But maybe... on a message board.... hmmm....

[DaveBond21]

Presumably, Campbell was speaking as a fan of the Bond movies, with a nod to Sam Mendes, along the lines of "Don't mess it up like Forster did!"



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[Colorshade]

I hate the inconsistency that exists in "today's" Bond movies.
Campbell should have so obviously continued directing what turned out to be Quantum of Solace, since it obviously was going to pick up from the last one.
I also don't get why they trashed the funny high M's secretary or whatever (Tanner?) that was in Casino Royale.
At least in the 90s films, Tanner, played by Michael Kitchen (<3<3<3), was seen twice. I think they should have more recurring characters.

I wouldn't say Quantum is the worst Bond film, but I wholeheartidly agree with Campbell. It's like a slightly bad Jason Bourne film, SHAKING CAMERAS, and useless symbolism that nobody cares about.
That said, the worst Bond film ever is Diamonds Are Forever; it's just so full of failure. And people say Roger Moore is camp.

Edited by Colorshade, 31 August 2011 - 09:38 AM.

[SecretAgentFan]

Isn´t it interesting that Campbell always says that he does not want to do another Bond?

He said it after GE. He said it after CR.

I don´t think it´s EON´s fault that Campbell did not do QOS. They probably asked him.

[JimmyBond]

I'm pretty sure they offered it to him every film after Goldeneye.

I know for sure he was asked back to do QoS.

I don't blame him for passing though, while fun, I can't imagine any director nowadays would want to relegate himself to directing just Bond films, film is a different climate than it was in the 60s.

[Colorshade]

It seems to be more of a burden. I'm pretty sure he didn't do it because directing a Bond movie takes so much, that he doesn't want to do two right after another.
In the 60-80s, plans were made out ahead. They knew exactly what to follow up on and so on...
I do hope Broccoli and Wilson (they're still the producers, right?) realise what terrible mistake they made hiring Forster.

Edited by Colorshade, 31 August 2011 - 09:26 PM.

[Nicolas Suszczyk]

It seems to be more of a burden. I'm pretty sure he didn't do it because directing a Bond movie takes so much, that he doesn't want to do two right after another.
In the 60-80s, plans were made out ahead. They knew exactly what to follow up on and so on...
I do hope Broccoli and Wilson (they're still the producers, right?) realise what terrible mistake they made hiring Forster.

Agreed. He said it on the Casino Royale DVD documentaries, that he was offered to do Tomorrow Never Dies but he didn't want to spoil it all because he needed new ideas (same as Terence Young did after From Russia With Love). He, unlike good ol' Marc, isn't desperate to put his mark in everything he does but to bring a great spectacular Bond film.

[JimmyBond]

Marc Forster did bring out a great and spectacular Bond film

I'm glad you finally agree

[Nicolas Suszczyk]

Marc Forster did bring out a great and spectacular Bond film

I'm glad you finally agree

You lost me completely Jim. I said "He, unlike good ol' Marc, isn't desperate to put his mark in everything he does but to bring a great spectacular Bond film."

That is...

Martin Campbell wants to bring a great spectacular Bond film, Marc Forster only wants to leave his mark and he doesn't care if he's doing a Bond movie or one of his so-called dramas. When you do a JAMES BOND film you're doing a JAMES BOND film, not a MARC FORSTER film. Got it?

[JimmyBond]

You can read his mind then? Fascinating.

We have no idea what his intentions were when he made the Bond film. Stop acting like you think you know based on a few musings of people around the forums here.

[SecretAgentFan]

I guess one thing´s for sure: EON would NEVER have allowed Forster to do just a Forster film. They wanted him to do a Bond film. Which he did. With his personal ideas - as any director before him has done. In the end, it WAS a Bond film. Some like it, some don´t. But let´s be honest: how many Bond films are universally embraced by every fan, in the cinema and on a message board?

[DR76]

But, of course... However, being "far from the worst" doesn't make it a great Bond movie or a high work of art, as some fans here (and almost only in this site) seems to think, after buying all the pointless intellectual pretentiousness done by Forster for this flick.

Have you ever considered that some fans might consider QoS a great Bond movie? Most Bond fans and critics consider GOLDFINGER a great movie. Well, I'm happy for them. But I don't agree with them. I don't think GOLDFINGER was all that hot. In fact, I consider it one of the worst Bond movies. But what I think or what anyone else might think of any Bond film doesn't make it a fact.

[Nicolas Suszczyk]

You can read his mind then? Fascinating.

We have no idea what his intentions were when he made the Bond film. Stop acting like you think you know based on a few musings of people around the forums here.

I don't have to read a book or to pay attention to ""a few musings" to know what his intentions were. It's called "common sense."

Oh, Mr. Blofeld, stop putting stupid comments on my profile. "It's insulting to think I haven't anticipated your every move"

[JimmyBond]

Sorry I'm still not buying it.

Just because you don't enjoy the film, automatically means Forster's intention was to put his stamp on the film and not caring if it was Bond or not. He came into the series like every director does, to try and make a good Bond film that the masses enjoy.

The World is Not Enough is my least favorite Bond film, I admit that. However I would never for a minute suggest that Apted's sole intention with the film was to muck about and changes things.

[Mr. Blofeld]

However I would never for a minute suggest that Apted's sole intention with the film was to muck about and changes things.

Indeed; if anything, he probably didn't change enough -- it was too bog-standard, for me, and weighed down the plot of the film, making it feel even more melodramatic when sandwiched in between Vic Armstrong's action sequences.