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[Loomis]

I like everything about DIE ANOTHER DAY. What's more, it's ten times the film QUANTUM OF SOLACE is.

[Jump James]

I'll never forgive EON for what they've done to Dalton. It wasn't Timothy's fault that LTK wasn't that well received. It was probably the wrong film for the wrong time, but would have worked perfectly for the current era. Bottom line - you don't mistreat the actor who believes in the character only to replace him with a more recognizable face just to put more amounts of "derrières" in the seats.

But that's alright. LTK has aged considerably well, and Dalton's two films alone outshine Bronsan's four.

Don't blame EON, from what I know they were determined to keep Dalton, it was John Calley of MGM that was insisting on a change. I agree that Dalton's two films outshine Brosnan's four and Dalton was an excellent Bond. However MGM (and EON) are in the business of making money and as much as you and I like Dalton, he did not click with the general public at large (especially in the US). Brosnan probably was the best choice at the time to ensure the survival of the series.

I don't suppose that sometime before filming GE, Pierce and Timothy had a chat about Bond so Pierce could get a few pointers?

I doubt it, and I base that upon the fact Brosnan was quite clear about it at the Goldeneye press conference. When asked if he had taken any tips from fellow Bond actors I recall Brosnan being quite blunt in his reply. No was the answer he gave. He seemed almost pissed off to have been asked it ( who could blame him, asked it about 20 times that day I imagine). It's featured on the Ultimate DVD extras on the Goldeneye DVD.

Edited by Jump James, 25 March 2011 - 11:07 PM.

[iBond]

I like everything about DIE ANOTHER DAY. What's more, it's ten times the film QUANTUM OF SOLACE is.

Honestly, I would have to agree with you. I would pick Die Another Day over Quantum of Solace. However, I wouldn't say it's 10 times the fun, just a different and far more enjoyable film. Although, I do like Dominic Greene. He was pretty bada**. I think it would have been interesting to see him verse Brosnan's Bond. But at the same time, he is so short it would be weird to see the both of them fight in the climactic scene in the fire with the axes haha.

Edited by iBond, 26 March 2011 - 10:28 PM.

[00 Brosnan]

Man I had such high hopes for Die Another Day when the original teaser trailer w/ the Aston Martin shooting across the ice was released. Unfortunately, the end result was a mixed bag.

I very much enjoyed the pre-title sequence. It was fresh, exciting, and pure Brosnan. All in all the first half of the film was pretty good, up until Bond arrives at the ice palace. At that point, everything just got ridiculous. The only part of the film I can really say I enjoyed after that was the Aston Martin ice chase (from the time it starts until Bond saves Jinx)...can't get enough of those engine noises.

I thought the addition of Madonna not only as the title song performer, but as well as the cameo role in the film was a bad choice. The character of Jinx was completely out of place. Almost every time she speaks I cringe, one of the worst Bond girls ever in my opinion. The super weapon "icaris" was just plain stupid. The director was the wrong choice, way too much CGI, way too many fast/slow motion cuts, etc.

Forgettable Bond girls, forgettable villains (Zao was okay), ridiculous plot... Not close to the best entry in the series, but not the worst either...that goes to A View to a Kill.

[jaguar007]

. Not close to the best entry in the series, but not the worst either...that goes to A View to a Kill.

I would have said that too until a few months ago when I rewatched AVTAK, it really is not as bad as DAD. However I also would not rate DAD as the worst Bond film in the series, possibly TWINE.

[iBond]

I would have said that too until a few months ago when I rewatched AVTAK, it really is not as bad as DAD. However I also would not rate DAD as the worst Bond film...possibly TWINE.

Wow...no way! But to each their own.

[Double-0-7]

My favorite part of DAD is Zencat's fabulous post concerning Bryce's opening night viewing party: My Opening Night DAD Odyssey

I just revisited it and am disappointed to report that John's original post has been clipped to completely eliminate the evening's festivities. It was obvious that a great time was had by all, and I enjoy the way Zen paints a picture with words. Almost as if he was a professional writer.

[iBond]

I heard the opening night of DAD was pretty spectacular. What with all the laser lights and all.

[FreddyVoorhees007]

I admit I love DAD. Its my 5th favorite Bond film.

[solace]

Although its way down the list it certainly isnt the worst. I watched AVTAK yesterday and switched it off 40 mins in. I really feel the last 2 RM films just arent dating well.

[The Shark]

What I liked about it, and still do to some extent, is how the entire film feels like a giant one figured salute to TWINE, and everything it stood for. All dramatic pretensions are abandoned, and the objective is to simply entertain. Not to turn Bond into some maudlin daytime soap opera.

[jaguar007]

What I liked about it, and still do to some extent, is how the entire film feels like a giant one figured salute to TWINE, and everything it stood for. All dramatic pretensions are abandoned, and the objective is to simply entertain. Not to turn Bond into some maudlin daytime soap opera.

I don't always agree with you Shark, but i'm not afraid to tell you when I do. I'm one of the few who rate DAD above TWINE.

[sthgilyadgnivileht]

What I liked about it, and still do to some extent, is how the entire film feels like a giant one figured salute to TWINE, and everything it stood for. All dramatic pretensions are abandoned, and the objective is to simply entertain. Not to turn Bond into some maudlin daytime soap opera.

I don't always agree with you Shark, but i'm not afraid to tell you when I do. I'm one of the few who rate DAD above TWINE.

I agree as well. I rate DAD above TWINE anyday.

[00 Brosnan]

Although its way down the list it certainly isnt the worst. I watched AVTAK yesterday and switched it off 40 mins in. I really feel the last 2 RM films just arent dating well.

I agree about a AVTAK. It's in my opinion the absolute worst Bond film.

However, I disagree about Octopussy not holding up. It's not Moore's best film, but it's leagues better than AVTAK.

[iBond]

I would put Die Another Day above A View to A Kill. I think Roger Moore would have probably done better if Octopussy were his last movie, but I feel like Die Another Day was a fitting end to Brosnan's Bond. I mean, at the time it was suspected that he could have done one more film, but when that was his last movie, I just lived with it and accepted it. It was a swansong to Brosnan, the 40th anniversary of 007 on the big screen and the 50th anniversary of Fleming's "Casino Royale". So, just as well that it was his last.

[00 Brosnan]

I would put Die Another Day above A View to A Kill. I think Roger Moore would have probably done better if Octopussy were his last movie, but I feel like Die Another Day was a fitting end to Brosnan's Bond. I mean, at the time it was suspected that he could have done one more film, but when that was his last movie, I just lived with it and accepted it. It was a swansong to Brosnan, the 40th anniversary of 007 on the big screen and the 50th anniversary of Fleming's "Casino Royale". So, just as well that it was his last.

It wasn't just suspected he could do one more, it was expected he would do at least one more. They asked him back after Die Another Day became the highest grossing Bond film ever. He had much support from fans and even Sony to come back. Then, of course, Barbara Brocolli wanted to get in on the reboot craze that had begun hitting Hollywood a year or two earlier.

I have enjoyed the two Craig films a lot. It's a minor thing and doesn't effect my enjoyment of any of the films, but deep down it does anger me that Brocolli basically dumped my generations James Bond after he reinvigorated the franchise and continuously grossed higher and higher profits for it. If he was unpopular in the role or was old I could semi-understand, but he was very popular in the role and while approaching 50, he didn't look it. He had at least one more film in him.

Albert "Cubby" Brocolli never would have done Brosnan like that.

Edited by 00 Brosnan, 07 April 2011 - 05:39 PM.

[Dustin]

I would put Die Another Day above A View to A Kill. I think Roger Moore would have probably done better if Octopussy were his last movie, but I feel like Die Another Day was a fitting end to Brosnan's Bond. I mean, at the time it was suspected that he could have done one more film, but when that was his last movie, I just lived with it and accepted it. It was a swansong to Brosnan, the 40th anniversary of 007 on the big screen and the 50th anniversary of Fleming's "Casino Royale". So, just as well that it was his last.

It wasn't just suspected he could do one more, it was expected he would do at least one more. They asked him back after Die Another Day became the highest grossing Bond film ever. He had much support from fans and even Sony to come back. Then, of course, Barbara Brocolli wanted to get in on the reboot craze that had begun hitting Hollywood a year or two earlier.

I have enjoyed the two Craig films a lot. It's a minor thing and doesn't effect my enjoyment of any of the films, but deep down it does anger me that Brocolli basically dumped my generations James Bond after he reinvigorated and continuously grossed higher and higher profits for the franchise. If he was unpopular in the role or was old I could semi-understand, but he was very popular in the role and while approaching 50, he didn't look it. He had at least one more film in him.

Albert "Cubby" Brocolli never would have done Brosnan like that.

Up to a point I can understand your feelings. But I think the end came just at the right point for Brosnan, before his appearence in the role could drift into realms you would not like "your" Bond to see in. For many people DAD was already that one-film-too-much and you maybe should be grateful to have seen the Bond of your youth leaving with a film you can, so I suppose, enjoy.

Not every Bond actor had this kind of merciful fate.

[00 Brosnan]

Up to a point I can understand your feelings. But I think the end came just at the right point for Brosnan, before his appearence in the role could drift into realms you would not like "your" Bond to see in.

I'm happy he got to do four films, but I always wanted him to do at least 5. I would have been satisfied with 5. Even Brosnan admitted he'd probably do 5 and then call it quits before he got into the same situation Moore found himself in, in terms of looking too old. But, that wouldn't have been a problem for a fifth film, even 2 years after DAD was released he still looked much better at 52 than Moore or Connery looked at that age.

For many people DAD was already that one-film-too-much and you maybe should be grateful to have seen the Bond of your youth leaving with a film you can, so I suppose, enjoy.

Not every Bond actor had this kind of merciful fate.

For many people it might have been one-film-too-much, but again...those are people who generally just didn't like him in the role. Majority wise....mainstream wise, he was very popular in the role and had a lot of support for a 5th film.

But, I can respect other people's opinions and I suppose it doesn't really matter at this point.

[iBond]

...but he was very popular in the role and while approaching 50, he didn't look it. He had at least one more film in him.

Albert "Cubby" Brocolli never would have done Brosnan like that.

I agree with you completely! I mean, heck Roger Moore started aging from Moonraker on and he was already in his early 50s. Brosnan still looked in shape. Yes, he did have some wrinkles here and there and yes his hair was graying a bit, but still he could have at least played the character two more times. He said that he wanted to do as many or at least almost as many as Connery.

[sthgilyadgnivileht]

...but he was very popular in the role and while approaching 50, he didn't look it. He had at least one more film in him.

Albert "Cubby" Brocolli never would have done Brosnan like that.

I agree with you completely! I mean, heck Roger Moore started aging from Moonraker on and he was already in his early 50s. Brosnan still looked in shape. Yes, he did have some wrinkles here and there and yes his hair was graying a bit, but still he could have at least played the character two more times. He said that he wanted to do as many or at least almost as many as Connery.

I'm not sure I agree. We have no way of knowing what Mr Broccoli would have done in the same circumstances. Times were very different during Moore's reign as there was much less competition in the industry than Brosnan had to face during his tenure. I don't think you can simply compare the two era's because cinema has changed significantly over the twenty years between them. I think the fact the producers admitted they were a bit creatively stuck with how to go forward with the next Brosnan film must legitimately factor into their decision. I remember an interview with Michael Wilson talking about the failure of other film franchises and he said the mistake they make is they don't give the audience a reason to come back to the next film, and he was always conscious not to make that mistake with Bond. That maxim was probably something Cubby didn't have to worry about so much given the state of competition towards Bond during 1980-85.