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[SecretAgentFan]

THE DARK TOWER surely will be a factor for Bardem since it will be a time consuming effort. Could Bardem squeeze BOND 23 in there? Maybe. I hope he will because I would like to see him doing both films.

[Zorin Industries]

Haven't a clue about THE DARK TOWER but if (IF) it mattered, I think both films are probably years apart in terms of shooting slots.

What I read out of this is, that the script is much further developped then we thought - because - JB has been offered "The Dark Towers" and surely lots of other scripts, he has to consider timewise. So - he will want to decide rather sooner then later, which means, they can hand over a script to him pretty soon.

The script for BOND 23 is more advanced than press releases and casting rumours suggest. The very story of Bardem would not have been something (if it has been happening at all) that suddenly sprung up at the weekend. From my experience, press rumouring tends to happen a while after the fact.

[univex]

Haven't a clue about THE DARK TOWER but if (IF) it mattered, I think both films are probably years apart in terms of shooting slots.

What I read out of this is, that the script is much further developped then we thought - because - JB has been offered "The Dark Towers" and surely lots of other scripts, he has to consider timewise. So - he will want to decide rather sooner then later, which means, they can hand over a script to him pretty soon.

The script for BOND 23 is more advanced than press releases and casting rumours suggest. The very story of Bardem would not have been something (if it has been happening at all) that suddenly sprung up at the weekend. From my experience, press rumouring tends to happen a while after the fact.

Oh, good old days when the CR script leaked and we were all reasured of its greatness.

[Zorin Industries]

There is nothing good about a script leak. They tend to be rubbish fakes or real early drafts and do no-one any favours.

[univex]

There is nothing good about a script leak. They tend to be rubbish fakes or real early drafts and do no-one any favours.

That was my opinion back in the day Zorin, but the CR script that leaked was the real thing and although I read it knowing it could ruin the all cinematic experience, it did not, it really enhance it. About doing favours to no-one, well that´s subjective, the reaction it got from the fans who read it was of awe and pressure probably was increased by the quality of the all thing. Don´t know, maybe I´m talking nonsence here, but everybody loved that script and seeing the clips that got released and comparing them to the script was really...well, fun. I´ve known Cbn since the BlueEyes days (wow, a decade ago...I´m getting old )and trust me, this very site had a boom experience when CR was in production, it was all very fun, even the script leak (disclaimer: script leak had nothing to do with Cbn, it was just a discussion topic here like anything else )

Edited by univex, 02 February 2011 - 01:43 PM.

[Zorin Industries]

A script leak benefits whom? Some impatient fans online?

Do folk stop to think about the work of the writer/s ruined because someone wants some internet cache from people they don't really know?

It's creative piracy and completely bad form.

[Mr. Arlington Beech]

None of my work colleagues could name a Craig-Bond or Dalton-Bond villain in a straw poll today.

However, I wonder if they could name any Bond villian at all in a straw poll today, with the exception of Goldfinger and perhaps Blofeld (like the one that looks like Dr. Evil).

[jaguar007]

None of my work colleagues could name a Craig-Bond or Dalton-Bond villain in a straw poll today.

However, I wonder if they could name any Bond villian at all in a straw poll today, with the exception of Goldfinger and perhaps Blofeld (like the one that looks like Dr. Evil).

I was thinking the same thing but you could probably add in Jaws and Dr. No or "the guy with the hat"

[Mr. Arlington Beech]

None of my work colleagues could name a Craig-Bond or Dalton-Bond villain in a straw poll today.

However, I wonder if they could name any Bond villian at all in a straw poll today, with the exception of Goldfinger and perhaps Blofeld (like the one that looks like Dr. Evil).

I was thinking the same thing but you could probably add in Jaws and Dr. No or "the guy with the hat"

Yes, and maybe the "guy with the patch" too, but that's about it.

[SecretAgentFan]

Haven't a clue about THE DARK TOWER but if (IF) it mattered, I think both films are probably years apart in terms of shooting slots.

THE DARK TOWER is scheduled for a May release in 2013 - but since it is a massive undertaking tied with a TV series following the movie which itself is followed by another movie and a TV series and a concluding third movie, it seems that the Ron Howard-directed adaption of Stephen King´s seven novels will have to start shooting this year or next year. It will definitely be exhausting for Bardem to do both projects... but possible, I guess.

[Harry Fawkes]

100 percent behind this choice. I like Bardem and by God, after watching him in NO COUNTRY FOR OLD MEN I'm sure he'd make a perfect villain. Can't wait to see the outcome of this negotiation. Fingers crossed he gets on board,

[The Shark]

Gravity, I'd consider watching BEFORE NIGHTS FALLS, THE SEA INSIDE, NO COUNTRY FOR OLD MEN and MONDAYS IN THE SUN. Some of Bardem's finest films and performances.

[Harry Fawkes]

Gravity, I'd consider watching BEFORE NIGHTS FALLS, THE SEA INSIDE, NO COUNTRY FOR OLD MEN and MONDAYS IN THE SUN. Some of Bardem's finest films and performances.

Thanks for the list Shark.

I say again: The Bond villain is in safe hands if he's on!!

[Zographos]

I can only applaud EON for staying true to their reboot ideas instead of reverting to the old clichés. And unless BOND 23 is a complete box office flop they surely will continue to make Bond fresh and interesting instead of just rehashing the old formula.

Amen!

Goldfinger for the 21st century? I've got my Goldfinger, thank you, and I'll proudly and happily pull it off the shelf for a watch. But I'm looking forward to Bond 23, not Bond 3. Bring it on!

[blueman]

What about a good balance between the classic and the fresh approach, just like CR was, which proved to be a great success with critics, Bond fans and general moviegoers.

I thought QOS was all that? RT meter at 64% which is above average for a Bond film, majority of fans rank give it at least a 7 or 8 out of 10 in fan polls (depending on the breakdown of choices), and half a billion $$ at the BO worldwide.

23 will likely follow along in QOS's footsteps.

[Quantumofsolace007]

i'm hoping it will stay on the gritty dark path of CR and QOS with a bit more thriller lements like For Your Eyes only the living daylights or From Russia with love and Bardem's comments seem to indicate that

[Jim]

Do they?

I read the comments as judiciously not referencing, explictly or implicitly, other Bond films. Which is nice.

Although inevitably the finished product will.

[Quantumofsolace007]

Do they?

I read the comments as judiciously not referencing, explictly or implicitly, other Bond films. Which is nice.

Although inevitably the finished product will.

Javier states how while he is the villian there a nuances and subtly involved which can be read a varity of ways I tend to read it as he will be similar to a Red Grant type. Just how i choose to read his comments.


he also said they are interested in changing things up which should be awesome

[Cody]

I’d be playing Bond’s nemesis, yes, but it’s not that obvious.

So at first Bardem appears to be an ally, but turns out to be the enemy.

it was thought that Beale (if cast) would be playing a villain ... story today saying that Simon is in detailed talks to play “a good guy”

Bardem's character starts out pointing Bond in the direction of Simon Russell Beale's character, making him out to be the villain when it's actually the other way around.

They are re-adapting (and titling the film) Risico and the casting talk has already spoiled it all.

(I'm not entirely serious.)

[Quantumofsolace007]

I’d be playing Bond’s nemesis, yes, but it’s not that obvious.

So at first Bardem appears to be an ally, but turns out to be the enemy.

it was thought that Beale (if cast) would be playing a villain ... story today saying that Simon is in detailed talks to play “a good guy”

Bardem's character starts out pointing Bond in the direction of Simon Russell Beale's character, making him out to be the villain when it's actually the other way around.

They are re-adapting (and titling the film) Risico and the casting talk has already spoiled it all.

(I'm not entirely serious.)

I wouldn't mind it

Bond 23 being Risico.... but i doubt it.

[Ace Roberts]

I think all clues support the theory of a re visioning of Risico - with Bardem playing a role similar to Kristtatos and Beale Colombo. It perfectly matches with what we have read to date. I think it would be a brilliant approach and make for an exciting next chapter. Now our next clue will be if the female lead is someone of German descent - or can play the role of Fraulein Lisl Braum.

[Mr. Arlington Beech]

What about a good balance between the classic and the fresh approach, just like CR was, which proved to be a great success with critics, Bond fans and general moviegoers.

I thought QOS was all that? RT meter at 64% which is above average for a Bond film, majority of fans rank give it at least a 7 or 8 out of 10 in fan polls (depending on the breakdown of choices), and half a billion $$ at the BO worldwide.

23 will likely follow along in QOS's footsteps.

Do you consider a RT meter at 64% a great success with the critics (especially having in mind that its direct predecessor CR had 94%), I mean, really? That's wishful thinking, I believe. And let's be honest, all the members of this forum know that QOS divided fans here and everywhere.

[Sebastian Tombs]

On the subject of Rottentomatos.com and their rating of QOS, you should actually read some of the reviews that are marked as "positive." I did, and the majority express reservations about the film's style or subject matter, and quite a few that I would personally rank as "mixed-to-negative" rather than "positive." One "positive" review said it was a decent action film but had more to do with the Bourne series than Bond.

Don't put too much stock in RT's ratings; I've sometimes found some oddly negative or mixed reviews listed as "positive" for a number of films.

[Zorin Industries]

Can anyone explain to me how adding Rotten Veg.com gets the high ground in a discussion of film when it is user-led and not one person who probably works on that site has ever made a film, written a film, directed a film or no doubt watched anything out of their very narrow minded comfort zone.

[blueman]

What about a good balance between the classic and the fresh approach, just like CR was, which proved to be a great success with critics, Bond fans and general moviegoers.

I thought QOS was all that? RT meter at 64% which is above average for a Bond film, majority of fans rank give it at least a 7 or 8 out of 10 in fan polls (depending on the breakdown of choices), and half a billion $$ at the BO worldwide.

23 will likely follow along in QOS's footsteps.

Do you consider a RT meter at 64% a great success with the critics (especially having in mind that its direct predecessor CR had 94%), I mean, really? That's wishful thinking, I believe. And let's be honest, all the members of this forum know that QOS divided fans here and everywhere.

CR was a Bond anomaly, just like GE was to kick off the Brosnan era: new Bond = novelty factor. However QOS rates higher than all the other Brosnan Bonds, so yeah I'd say that makes it a pretty satisfying Bond adventure comparatively speaking for the critics. And sure some positive reviews carry digs, just as some negative reviews have nice things to say about a film too. The RT meter is just a big stack of reviews, but a heckuva lot better than "I feel it in my bones" lol.

And fyi, all Bonds (especially Brosnan! ) and Bond films are divisive, check lists of favorite films/actors, there's no consensus, hasn't been for decades (and CR divided fans far, far more than QOS, the stampede away from the forums by many long-time fans after Craig was cast was quite astounding). Be that as it may, the voting in the polls seems to indicate there's a very loud minority against it, whereas most fans found it more than agreeable (or - horrors! - liked it!).

[univex]

CR was a Bond anomaly, just like GE was to kick off the Brosnan era: new Bond = novelty factor. However QOS rates higher than all the other Brosnan Bonds, so yeah I'd say that makes it a pretty satisfying Bond adventure comparatively speaking for the critics. And sure some positive reviews carry digs, just as some negative reviews have nice things to say about a film too. The RT meter is just a big stack of reviews, but a heckuva lot better than "I feel it in my bones" lol.

That´s very true blueman, I alway´s found RT to be helpful if, and only if, you consider it to be what it is, a big stack of reviews from very different people from all over. I mean, if you go around digging all the reviews from past Bond films, you´ll find the Bond franchise is probablly the most devisive in cinema history. I mean, look at Cbn, some like TMWGG, other despise it (I rather like it), some even like DAD (God forbid), it´s all a very projective and personal matter, so the best thing you can do is to find a person (fan) who has the same point of view as you have on most Bond films. I found, over the years, I could relly on Harmsway´s analysis and some other members. That being said, I wish we had another anomaly in the series that didn´t relly on a rebooting or changing of guard.

And fyi, all Bonds (especially Brosnan! ) and Bond films are divisive, check lists of favorite films/actors, there's no consensus, hasn't been for decades (and CR divided fans far, far more than QOS, the stampede away from the forums by many long-time fans after Craig was cast was quite astounding). Be that as it may, the voting in the polls seems to indicate there's a very loud minority against it, whereas most fans found it more than agreeable (or - horrors! - liked it!).

Exactly.

[Zorin Industries]

I alway´s found RT to be helpful if, and only if, you consider it to be what it is, a big stack of reviews from very different people from all over.

Can I ask why, when surely watching any film off your own back is better than being told what is good and what isn't? Just curious.

[univex]

I alway´s found RT to be helpful if, and only if, you consider it to be what it is, a big stack of reviews from very different people from all over.

Can I ask why, when surely watching any film off your own back is better than being told what is good and what isn't? Just curious.

First, I didn´t say giving value to other people opinions is the same as being told what to like, I just like to consider other points of view before or after I make my own. If that contaminates my opinion or not is another matter. Why do you read opinion columns in the papers? Why do you read reviews anyway? Why do you come to forums online to share your point of view on something? It´s all the same. Empathy and connection, analysis and free will, I guess, are the anwsers to your question Zorin. I´m not sujestionable to the point that reading other people opinions will have any effect on my free will and judgement. Hope that cleared it for you Zorin, I always valued your views, for example, doesn´t mean they mirror my own, but I read them anyway Cheers, and...chill.

Edited by univex, 03 February 2011 - 06:51 PM.

[Simon]

Not sure that unisex is stating a preference of RT over and above watching and deciding for oneself.

Just that it would be helpful when deciding what to watch on a Friday night. A subsequent ability for comparison then being afforded after viewing. Perhaps.

(I am sure s/he could speak for him/herself, but ...)

[univex]

Not sure that unisex is stating a preference of RT over and above watching and deciding for oneself.

Just that it would be helpful when deciding what to watch on a Friday night. A subsequent ability for comparison then being afforded after viewing. Perhaps.

(I am sure s/he could speak for him/herself, but ...)

He , and thanks. No, I was simple stating that I like to read other peoples informed opinion on several subjects, without it leading necessarily to the contamination of my own views. God forbid it doing so, some of the critics on Rvegetables are less then well balanced in their opinion making.

But then again, what you said made a lot of sense as well Simon. And...funny man on the uniSex thing Cheers.

Edited by univex, 03 February 2011 - 07:08 PM.