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[Kilroy6644]

I love the PPK. While I am particularly attached to the P99, the PPK is a much better gun for Bond. There used to be a site that talked about what would be an appropriate gun for Bond. It was created around the time of Goldeneye. It had the P99 on the list. I wish I could remember the site.

darthbond

Is this the one?: http://www.hmss.com/qbranch/qb0101.htm

[elizabeth]

i personally don't think craig would look good holding a PPK. it looked excellent on connery, but it would look bad on craig.

[Agent Leiter]

i personally don't think craig would look good holding a PPK. it looked excellent on connery, but it would look bad on craig.

I'd have to respectfully disagree on that one.

The PPK is among the most elegant handgun designs ever devised by man... awfully hard to look bad with one.

[Double-0-7]

A custom made gun based on the Ruger Mk III would be nice:

Yes, why not? Although the long barrel might have to see a chop and the entire gun would have to be chambered for a larger caliber. But as it's film and not reality we're talking here why shouldn't the designers come up with a sufficiently looking derivate?


EDIT: Ah, I see. The second gun with the silencer already sports a shortened barrel. Nice design!

The black MKIII with bull barrel sure looks familiar, and that is a sweet silencer installation on the stainless one! As comfortable as I am with the .22 Ruger, I'm not sure it makes sense to start with a small rimfire handgun and try to get it up to something more lethal in the 9mm range.

Why not start with a nice Browning Hi-Power?

[BryanHerbert]

I feel thats how it should of been, because in Casino Royale, bond just gets his license to kill, and the ppk was his first real gun. I know the Beretta was his first gun. I felt it fit the part of the movie. I also love the p99, but that gun i think was more for Brosnan, since it was introduce with him in TND.

[darthbond]

I love the PPK. While I am particularly attached to the P99, the PPK is a much better gun for Bond. There used to be a site that talked about what would be an appropriate gun for Bond. It was created around the time of Goldeneye. It had the P99 on the list. I wish I could remember the site.

darthbond

Is this the one?: http://www.hmss.com/qbranch/qb0101.htm

YES! It is.

darthbond

[The Shark]

A custom made gun based on the Ruger Mk III would be nice:

Yes, why not? Although the long barrel might have to see a chop and the entire gun would have to be chambered for a larger caliber. But as it's film and not reality we're talking here why shouldn't the designers come up with a sufficiently looking derivate?


EDIT: Ah, I see. The second gun with the silencer already sports a shortened barrel. Nice design!

The black MKIII with bull barrel sure looks familiar, and that is a sweet silencer installation on the stainless one! As comfortable as I am with the .22 Ruger, I'm not sure it makes sense to start with a small rimfire handgun and try to get it up to something more lethal in the 9mm range.

Why not start with a nice Browning Hi-Power?

This?



Nah, that's the gun of a villain or generic henchman, not a sophisticated secret agent. I chose the Ruger mainly because it's elegant, while remaining lethal in the firepower department.

[Agent Leiter]

This?



Nah, that's the gun of a villain or generic henchman, not a sophisticated secret agent. I chose the Ruger mainly because it's elegant, while remaining lethal in the firepower department.

I'm certainly with you on the Browning Hi-Power not being a Bond gun (though I'm a bit biased, as I've never been a fan of that particular gun anyway, in spite of its good reputation). However, though the Ruger is indisputably elegant, it is hardly among the more lethal handguns one could opt for... in fact, although it can kill just as any firearm might, this particular gun was designed and intended to punch holes in paper.

[AMC Hornet]

The Walther PPK just looks right in Bond's hand. Period. The P99 just seemed to big for Brosnan, although Craig handled it well (the silencer helped).

The P5 looked good in Roger's hand in Octopussy, but Roger has bigger hands. If Tim had used a P5 that would have been alright. The PPK seemed kind of small for him.

I was delighted to see the PPK back in Craig's hand in stills from QoS before its release. No explanation was necessary. Wlcome back!

[Double-0-7]

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Nah, that's the gun of a villain or generic henchman, not a sophisticated secret agent. I chose the Ruger mainly because it's elegant, while remaining lethal in the firepower department.

I'm certainly with you on the Browning Hi-Power not being a Bond gun (though I'm a bit biased, as I've never been a fan of that particular gun anyway, in spite of its good reputation). However, though the Ruger is indisputably elegant, it is hardly among the more lethal handguns one could opt for... in fact, although it can kill just as any firearm might, this particular gun was designed and intended to punch holes in paper.

Bryce 003 has a very nice ASP (as well as a PPK among other toys in his arsenal) and for his literary counterpart was thinking of asking his gunsmith to perform an ASP-like refining to his Hi-Power. That could be very interesting!

I have a PPK as well as a Mark III and was very happy to see it return to the Bond series, but wanted to throw the Hi-Power into the mix of this thread because it has quite a reputation as a sidearm. Unlike the airgun suggested earlier!

[Binyamin]

If Bond was real, he would carry the 9mm PPS.

[Agent Leiter]

If Bond was real, he would carry the 9mm PPS.

I would have absolutely no objections to that.

Not as pretty as the PPK, but for practical purposes the Walther PPS is ideal for a concealable handgun to suit Bond's needs. I adore my Walther PK380, but the PPS is clearly the superior of the two (not the least of which reasons being it is a true Walther).

[0024]

Binyamin is correct. If Bond was real, he would absolutely use a 9mm. My firearm of choice is the Kahr K9, but I'm not sold on it being Bond's gun. I loved the return of the PPK, and was actually just thinking about it while watching 'Quantum' yesterday. I don't know if it worked for me though. Nostalgia says "yes," but my mouth says "no."

I do think they will stick with Walther for branding reasons, and I agree with Leiter, PK380 is nice, indeed. PPS is a good-looking piece, too.

Edited by 24, 17 December 2009 - 11:58 PM.

[Agent Leiter]

Binyamin is correct. If Bond was real, he would absolutely use a 9mm. My firearm of choice is the Kahr K9, but I'm not sold on it being Bond's gun. I loved the return of the PPK, and was actually just thinking about it while watching 'Quantum' yesterday. I don't know if it worked for me though. Nostalgia says "yes," but my mouth says "no."

Well, although there are better choices out there, the PPK is also hardly irrelevant today. The modern PPK can be chambered in the more powerful .380 ACP, and thus would pack just a little more punch than Bond's old 7.65mm Walther. However, there are any number of reasons why Bond would rather use a 9mm, among which being the commonality of the round. If Bond needs to grab ammunition from a downed baddy on the go, odds are he's going to find 9mm!

[007domanator]

Binyamin is correct. If Bond was real, he would absolutely use a 9mm. My firearm of choice is the Kahr K9, but I'm not sold on it being Bond's gun. I loved the return of the PPK, and was actually just thinking about it while watching 'Quantum' yesterday. I don't know if it worked for me though. Nostalgia says "yes," but my mouth says "no."

Well, although there are better choices out there, the PPK is also hardly irrelevant today. The modern PPK can be chambered in the more powerful .380 ACP, and thus would pack just a little more punch than Bond's old 7.65mm Walther. However, there are any number of reasons why Bond would rather use a 9mm, among which being the commonality of the round. If Bond needs to grab ammunition from a downed baddy on the go, odds are he's going to find 9mm!

wuld you care if he used a small revovler I mean serouisley



Bond should have a 92-FS waiting in his car ( wait he is MI6 so it would be a M9) and a small revovler if in this case the end of qos he should use the berreta if he is just going somewhere like to find a suspect a revovler but the only problem is the silencer in which he need

[Agent Leiter]

Binyamin is correct. If Bond was real, he would absolutely use a 9mm. My firearm of choice is the Kahr K9, but I'm not sold on it being Bond's gun. I loved the return of the PPK, and was actually just thinking about it while watching 'Quantum' yesterday. I don't know if it worked for me though. Nostalgia says "yes," but my mouth says "no."

Well, although there are better choices out there, the PPK is also hardly irrelevant today. The modern PPK can be chambered in the more powerful .380 ACP, and thus would pack just a little more punch than Bond's old 7.65mm Walther. However, there are any number of reasons why Bond would rather use a 9mm, among which being the commonality of the round. If Bond needs to grab ammunition from a downed baddy on the go, odds are he's going to find 9mm!

wuld you care if he used a small revovler I mean serouisley



Bond should have a 92-FS waiting in his car ( wait he is MI6 so it would be a M9) and a small revovler if in this case the end of qos he should use the berreta if he is just going somewhere like to find a suspect a revovler but the only problem is the silencer in which he need

In an era of reliable semi-auto handguns a revolver may no longer be entirely practical for Bond. The bulge of the cylinder tends to make them more difficult to conceal, and one can get a better carrying capacity out of semi-automatic pistols of comparable size.

Bond having a larger gun in his car may not be a bad idea at all. This would actually be an ideal use for the P99 itself (which is a fine choice for a larger gun). The Beretta 92 is a great gun, and I am a Beretta man myself, although I very much would favor a PX4 in 9mm (which incidentally is my handgun of choice) like the one pictured here:



17 round magazine plus 1 in the chamber, controls identical to those on the venerable 92 series guns, better ergonomics and lighter recoil thanks to the brilliant rotating barrel design. Beretta makes the same gun in a sub-compact form (with a reduced capacity of course):



However, I feel Bond ought to stay with the Walther for sake of tradition.

[007domanator]

My freind told me about this a while back that forester was going to give bond a glock ( have no idea which one) or a Desert eagle are you kidding me a fricking .50 caliber weapon that kicks like a shotgun a glock wouldnt be that bad would it but still glocks arent small

[Agent Leiter]

My freind told me about this a while back that forester was going to give bond a glock ( have no idea which one) or a Desert eagle are you kidding me a fricking .50 caliber weapon that kicks like a shotgun a glock wouldnt be that bad would it but still glocks arent small

I'm afraid your friend is badly mistaken. For all Marc Forster's faults, he is far too smart a man to consider putting a Desert Eagle in Bond's hands. I actually own a Mark XIX Desert Eagle in .44 Magnum, and can attest that the notion of using one for anything like what one sees in the movies is completely absurd! Incidentally, the Desert Eagle can be chambered in .357 and .44 Magnum both, in addition to the .50 AE people seem most familiar with.

Bond doesn't use Glocks either. Reliable as hell but ugly as sin, although admittedly the Glock wouldn't be any larger than the P99 Bond has already been using. Still, just by sheer looks alone, Bond ought not to use a Glock!

Edited by Agent Leiter, 18 December 2009 - 01:05 AM.

[Jeao007]

A custom made gun based on the Ruger Mk III would be nice:

Hmm..That's odd. I was at a friend's house last night and he had that exact gun. I asked him "Is that a Walther?" and he said "No, a Ruger"

[MrDraco]

Like a brick threw a plate glass window...

Yeah Rugar makes a pistol i believe its a 22 cal long rifle that looks much like the air pistol SC holds in some photos...

[The Shark]

Like a brick threw a plate glass window...

Yeah Rugar makes a pistol i believe its a 22 cal long rifle that looks much like the air pistol SC holds in some photos...

That's partly why I chose it, it thought it would nice to bring back a piece of imagery we haven't seen since the Moore days. Even better if we saw it in an actual film.

[Agent Leiter]

Like a brick threw a plate glass window...

Yeah Rugar makes a pistol i believe its a 22 cal long rifle that looks much like the air pistol SC holds in some photos...

That's partly why I chose it, it thought it would nice to bring back a piece of imagery we haven't seen since the Moore days. Even better if we saw it in an actual film.

I'd say the Ruger looks a good deal nicer than the old air-gun too.

[007domanator]

Like a brick threw a plate glass window...

Yeah Rugar makes a pistol i believe its a 22 cal long rifle that looks much like the air pistol SC holds in some photos...

That's partly why I chose it, it thought it would nice to bring back a piece of imagery we haven't seen since the Moore days. Even better if we saw it in an actual film.

I'd say the Ruger looks a good deal nicer than the old air-gun too.

Me Too The Air-Guns Real Version ( The P38) is still just to big not a full combat weapon but still I think the stainless ruger would be a perfect Bond gun I own the exact Model but the barrel is longer great firepower great for bond

[Agent Leiter]

Like a brick threw a plate glass window...

Yeah Rugar makes a pistol i believe its a 22 cal long rifle that looks much like the air pistol SC holds in some photos...

That's partly why I chose it, it thought it would nice to bring back a piece of imagery we haven't seen since the Moore days. Even better if we saw it in an actual film.

I'd say the Ruger looks a good deal nicer than the old air-gun too.

Me Too The Air-Guns Real Version ( The P38) is still just to big not a full combat weapon but still I think the stainless ruger would be a perfect Bond gun I own the exact Model but the barrel is longer great firepower great for bond

Er, not exactly... the Rugar, though an excellent target gun, would get its owner killed in a firefight. .22 LR is hardly considered firepower! In that caliber, the smaller and more concealable Walther P22 would probably make more sense (odd as it feels for me to type that), if only because it is easier to hide.

There is something to be said in fact for an assassin using a .22 caliber pistol. The round is a good deal quieter than most, and if one were to be right next to the target one could dispatch them with a perfectly placed round and perhaps leave before anyone was the wiser (if one is lucky, and if one manages to get the unfortunate fellow far enough away from his peers). Also, .22 LR is small enough to build an equally small gun around, one that doesn't look at all like a gun either... a weapon disguised as a cell phone or something similar, perhaps? Such guns do exist.

However, though Bond might utilize such a tool, he still ought to have a respectable gun for his own protection. This of course carries us away from the possibility of his using a .22, as it isn't considered at all respectable as a man stopper. In modern thought, it seems the .32 ACP (7.65mm, same as Bond's classic PPK is chambered) is considered just about the smallest round acceptable for personal defense, although Bond himself carried a .25 caliber Beretta before his Walther was issued to him. Once one begins to consider a gun for this purpose, it make sense to equip Bond with a gun that packs the most punch into the smallest package that can practically use it... which makes the Walther PPS awfully appealing, as it is easily one of the smallest, slimmest 9mm guns on the market today. I'm all for looks on the poster, but I'd prefer to see Bond using something at least somewhat practical in the film itself.

Ah, but there I go rambling on and boring everyone again.

[The Shark]

What about a Mauser HSc? They use .32 ACP rounds, pack a powerful punch, and look pretty nice too.





If not that maybe a Sauer 38H



Or perhaps a Seecamp .32 for the most covert tasks

[Trident]

I think if we stay with a regular off-the-peg gun the new Khar P380 might be a possibility. It's chambered in 9mm kurz/380ACP, is extremely compact and actually doesn't look too bad for a modern firearm.

Downside: only six rounds in a single stack magazine. (In my view not a drawback, as those 18 round magazines really only encourage one thing, senselessly spraying the surroundings with a zillion shots in A-team manner. I hate this stupid fashion. Bond means business, so he makes every shot count, every single one.)

The much more serious concern: is it reasonably accurate and pointable? The extremely short barrel and slim design make this gun perfect for covered carry. But both also tend to lessen the accuracy of a weapon.

[0024]

That Beretta 92, Agent Leiter, is gorgeous. I'm gonna have to look into that one. The Walther stays for sake of tradition, I agree with you.

Shark, I really like the look of that Sauer 38H. Very sleek and simple.

[Binyamin]

There is absolutely no reason for Bond to carry the sub-par .380 cartridge. Both Kahr and Walther produce fine 9mm handguns that are just as concealable as their .380 cousins.

[The Shark]

With the Sauer I'm talking about about a .32 ACP calibre pistol, not one holding .380 ACP or .22 LR rounds.

[Binyamin]

Shark, I was referring to Trident and others who were recommending .380 semi-autos. Although, .32 ACP would be even further in the wrong direction, I believe.