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[PPK_19]

I think people just have to get used to the usual 3 year+ gaps between Bond films. The fact CR and QOS were so close together was because they continued the story. Since things are back to normal now, people shouldn't get their hopes up on an early release.
Though, saying that, it looks like November 2011 will be the release date. If Dench is filming her scenes in March, so what? She is only going to be in a few and it won't take long. There is no way its going to be later than 2011. I'd bet my James Bond Ultimate Edition boxset, Goldfinger poster and James Bond Rough guide on that.

[Rufus Ffolkes]

Why anyone honestly believes that shooting will begin until MGM's troubles are sorted out is beyond me.

EON and MGM are equal partners in Bond. One can't make a move without the other.

The studio is bankrupt. It has no access to capital, yet it controls fifty percent of the franchise. That means that even if EON were willing and able to pony up the $100 million or so needed to finance the production solo, they would legally be incapable of doing so.

Nothing is going to move beyond the script stage until MGM - or at least its stake in the Bond franchise - is sold to a new owner, and that owner agrees to green-light the production.

Edited by Rufus Ffolkes, 02 December 2009 - 08:29 PM.

[Germanlady]

BECAUSE maybe - those who makes statements know something, we don´t - not even Zorin...and/or have a better overall view on the whole picture and enough experience to figure out, how all this will end. There is absolutely no need to bring out a timeline, when there is none - plus I trust DC for not letting them use him for fake statements.

[Rufus Ffolkes]

BECAUSE maybe - those who makes statements know something, we don´t - not even Zorin...and/or have a better overall view on the whole picture and enough experience to figure out, how all this will end. There is absolutely no need to bring out a timeline, when there is none - plus I trust DC for not letting them use him for fake statements.

But these aren't official statements. They're throwaway remarks quickly tossed off to fans and journalists.

I don't think Craig and Dench are being deliberately misleading - or in turn are being deliberately misled - but I also don't think they know that much more about the big picture than anyone else does.

Who knows exactly what they were told? It might well have been something like: "Well, the schedule is completely up in the air at this point, but we're hoping to start filming by next winter."

The fact of the matter is that Craig and Dench are both employees. The only two entities that can make any kind of official statement are EON and MGM. And right now things are at a standstill.

Imagine you own a fifty percent stake in a business with an equal partner. You had planned to expand the company and open up a new franchise, but your partner made some poor investments and now has to sell his half of the business, and you don't have the means to buy him out. You tell your employees that you're still hoping to open the new franchise by next winter, but you can't simply go ahead and do so own your own - you don't have the legal right to proceed until your partner sells his stake and you come to some kind of arrangement with the new buyer.

That's exactly the situation EON and MGM find themselves in now.

[Bryce (003)]

Sounds about right.

Lois Maxwell once said something to the effect of "in all the years I played Moneypenny, I think I only worked about twenty days in total."

If they start rolling by this time next year, I could see and understand Dench filming in the early spring depending on how big her part is in the script.

Just my thought, but it fits.

[Zorin Industries]

I really think, Zorin is taken way too serious - unless, of course, you believe him mroe than the lead actor. Does anybody really think, they let DC out to speak about filming starts end of 2010 at the stage door TWICE and THEN let him go on Kelly & Regis and say it again? With no purpose to do exactly like he stated? This is ridiculous.

Plus the vid on page 1 states that she is saying, that indeed she got that message etc, etc...so what is some peoples problem here? Wanna paint it black just for the sake of doing so? Stupid...and not based on reality..

Once again I have merely pointed out that Daniel Craig suggested work (he didn't say filming) could begin at the end of 2010. Someone somewhere is then putting allsorts together and assuming the film is being released November 2011....? I am just saying that nothing has been confirmed and it is quite odd for people to suggest dates. Speculate yes, but some people are taking one half quoted comment and assuming they know the whole film's release pattern, plot and cast....

And just because I have disagreed with your thoughts on earlier threads does not excuse being quite catty and childish about my posts round here.

Why anyone honestly believes that shooting will begin until MGM's troubles are sorted out is beyond me.

EON and MGM are equal partners in Bond. One can't make a move without the other.

The studio is bankrupt. It has no access to capital, yet it controls fifty percent of the franchise. That means that even if EON were willing and able to pony up the $100 million or so needed to finance the production solo, they would legally be incapable of doing so.

Nothing is going to move beyond the script stage until MGM - or at least its stake in the Bond franchise - is sold to a new owner, and that owner agrees to green-light the production.

Thank you for some proper perspective at last.

[Germanlady]

What you say sounds plausible, but - lets even leave out two commentaries in front of fans and one at the Benefit Gala for the Orphans in an interview - on a show like Regis & Kelly, where they ask beforehand whether or not to question him about Bond, when millions or how much are watching...? Doesn´t make sense to mislead the fans in such a way, knowing they will be disappointed. They could just say nothing and wait in peace, until it is all sorted out.

[Zorin Industries]

What you say sounds plausible, but - lets even leave out two commentaries in front of fans and one at the Benefit Gala for the Orphans in an interview - on a show like Regis & Kelly, where they ask beforehand whether or not to question him about Bond, when millions or how much are watching...? Doesn´t make sense to mislead the fans in such a way, knowing they will be disappointed. They could just say nothing and wait in peace, until it is all sorted out.

I don't think anyone is saying Daniel Craig has lied to anyone (certainly not me). But when an actor says work starts at the end of 2010 on a film, I don't know why others jump to conclusions and all appear to have a degree in international release dates.

Rufus Ffolkes has nailed it here.

[Zorin Industries]

I am just saying that nothing has been confirmed and it is quite odd for people to suggest dates. Speculate yes, but some people are taking one half quoted comment and assuming they know the whole film's release pattern, plot and cast....

Let people speculate...fantasize....wish...hope etc....is it really necessary to be the killer of dreams? If people want to take a kernel of truth and run wild with it, can you not just allow them to do it without having to introduce "proper perspective" (and who is deciding what perspective is "proper"?) into the discussion? This is the Internet; if you pulled the ability to speculate and spread half-truths out from under people the whole system would fall apart.

Some people don't want to live in reality. I know I don't.

Whilst you are disagreeing with me here, I wholeheartedly support your words Mr S. Seriously. I just find the wilder side of speculation a tad silly. Maybe I'm just too rooted in reality for my own good (don't answer that!).

Anyway, why is everyone assuming Dench is playing M....? (!). Quantum needs a boss you know....CRANFORD OF SOLACE anyone?

[sthgilyadgnivileht]

Anyway, why is everyone assuming Dench is playing M....? (!). Quantum needs a boss you know....CRANFORD OF SOLACE anyone?

Well if Dench is not playing M, then I would go for 'Absolute Solace' (taking a title from TV play Dench did a few years back)

[Germanlady]

Once again I have merely pointed out he didn't say filming

Well Zorin, he did and this is why I can´t take your well pointed out statements as written in stone as some others seem to do - in Regis & Kelly he says and I am quoting: The plan is to start shooting the next one the end of next year so be ready for 2011 - we got a lot of work to do..

Not so soon, some time next year - after being asked about shooting it (Orphans Gala)

Of the two stage door vids, the one I found, is only saying "we start the end of next year" but not saying filming...

So maybe - since you always accuse others to not have their facts right - get your own in order first. Thank you


Plus he isn´t running wild with statements for months now - the first one was done at the stage door about a months ago. Even if we asssume he said, what he shouldn´t have at the stage door - don´t you think, they would brief him even STRICTER for the show?

So - what I see here, are some wild guys, who sound or wanna sound like they KNOW so much and are so logic, but are failing in the details, where it counts...sorry

Edited by Germanlady, 02 December 2009 - 10:20 PM.

[sthgilyadgnivileht]

Perhaps we could get a bail-out from the American government. They'll underwrite anything these days.

MGM = More Government Movies.

Very good idea. The British Government could chip in as well.....

[The Ghost Who Walks]

MGM = More Government Movies.

Hopefully it can mean More Good Movies. I won't mind waiting three years for Bond 23 if it is significantly better than Quantum of Solace.

[Tybre]

Perhaps we could get a bail-out from the American government. They'll underwrite anything these days.

MGM = More Government Movies.

Very good idea. The British Government could chip in as well.....

You'd probably have to; our dollar is nearly worthless these days.

Oh, don't be so melodramatic. It's about $1.66 on every £1 last time I checked. About five or six years ago it was around $1.80/£1. The dollar may not be in fine shape, but she's hardly worthless. You want worthless? 1 USD will get you nearly 30 rubles, according to Google. That, my dear boy, is nearly worthless. No offence intended to any parties; Russian, American, or otherwise.

[JimmyBond]

It's just the back and forth is a little ridiculous right?

Apparently you werent around during the whole "will he or won't he be Bond again" debate that raged on when it was unkown whether Brosnan would be back for Bond 21. This is nothing compared to that...in fact this is nothing. They'll start filming when they're ready to start filming, it's that simple. Until then we can just enjoy the 22 films we have readily available to us right now.

[Rufus Ffolkes]

I don't claim to have any kind of inside information. I don't know anyone at EON and I've only dealt peripherally with MGM.

However, I do work in the film and television industry and I do know a little about how films are financed and produced. When two or more production entities are responsible for financing a film, things can get extremely complicated and it can take a very long time to sort them out, particularly when one studio drops out and another has to be brought on board. Granted, Bond is as close to a sure thing as there is in the film industry, so that may well help speed the process along.

I suppose it's also possible that there's a secret deal in place between EON, MGM and another financier(s) which guarantees that production on Bond 23 will continue to move forward regardless of what happens with the beleaguered studio. Possible, but unlikely.

More likely is that no one - Craig, Dench, Broccoli and Wilson included - knows for certain what's going to happen next. I'm sure the plan was - and still is - to begin production in 2010 for a possible fall 2011 release. But MGM's finanial woes have thrown a wrench into those plans.

[DaveBond21]

It's great to get confirmation that Dench has already been told exactly when she will be needed for filming and it also seems to confirm the November 2011 release time.

?? Does it ??

Seems to.

But nothing definite. My contacts suggest it could be 2011.

[blueman]

Dench back =

[Germanlady]

More likely is that no one - Craig, Dench, Broccoli and Wilson included - knows for certain what's going to happen next. I'm sure the plan was - and still is - to begin production in 2010 for a possible fall 2011 release. But MGM's finanial woes have thrown a wrench into those plans.

Doesn´t seem likely to me - as the "announcements" were made way AFTER the MGM troubles began and take into account one more thing, MMW might have seen it coming all along, he is in the business long enough to realize problems earlier than some others and that´s why we might haven gotten the year gap from the start - for them to be on the save side. I trust them to have made a backup plan back then and can now let people like DC/Dench make their statemens.

One thing about this board though - its a boys playground and women are not taken seriously - might be a mistake

Really - Zorin, I have nothing against you personally, but its surprising how people hang on your every word, even when you are misquoting and therefore make the wrong assumptions, people still think, you are always right. Amazing...

Edited by Germanlady, 03 December 2009 - 06:27 AM.

[Trident]

More likely is that no one - Craig, Dench, Broccoli and Wilson included - knows for certain what's going to happen next. I'm sure the plan was - and still is - to begin production in 2010 for a possible fall 2011 release. But MGM's finanial woes have thrown a wrench into those plans.

Doesn´t seem likely to me - as the "announcements" were made way AFTER the MGM troubles began and take into account one more thing, MMW might have seen it coming all along, he is in the business long enough to realize problems earlier than some others and that´s why we got the year gap from the start. I trust them to have made a backup plan back then and can now let people like DC/Dench make their statemens.

I think both Craig and Dench just stated what, to the best of their knowledge at that point, was the plan. They are actors and will want to have at least an idea when their next stint begins and what kind of projects they can accept in the meantime. It stands to reason that EON expects the MGM business to be sorted out by that time, early 2011. But the only way for EON to actually know for sure would be if they bought out MGM from their property themselves, or already knew about a sidedeal regading Bond.

One thing about this board tough - its a boys playground and women are not taken seriously - might be a mistake

Cannot agree with that. Women are the only thing taken seriously here. And cars. And guns.

And watches.

And...

And...

And...

And Bond of course.

[SecretAgentFan]

Germanlady, I applaud your enthusiasm. But agreeing with Zorin does not mean that I don´t appreciate the female influence of this board. IMO, and I mean no disrespect at all, you believe too much of what actors tell the press. Neither the statements of Craig nor the one of Dench mean anything at all. From my working experience in the PR business, I know for a fact that actors lie to the press whenever they can, either to get them on their side or to get them to back off.

My take is this: Craig and Dench are fed up with being asked about the next Bond film. So, they have constructed the perfect answer for themselves. One that anybody here could have come up with: We know that the next Bond film probably will happen in 2011 (unless the MGM debacle will drag out). So, Craig says it and Dench says it as well.

Doesn´t mean anything.

Of course, we can hope. And maybe it will happen just the way they say it now. But not because they know. Because right now, not even EON will know. EON will definitely have a plan in place. Heck, they have publicly stated that the scriptwriters were hired. But even if they have already written a script, it doesn´t mean that this script guarantees anything. If a director (witness Forster) says: I don´t like it, let´s start anew - it will happen.

I´m sure that QOS only happened so quickly because of the writers´ strike. Otherwise, Forster´s decision to start a new script would have delayed the film. But with the strike they just had to move forward.

So, anything can happen. But hope is what pulls us through, right?

[Germanlady]

Can´t agree, but I appreciate your answers and the suggestion that women are taken serious - and guns and cars and watches

Well - we will find out in good time. MMW is in NY at the Steady Rain Play at the moment.

[Trident]

A key element certainly would be the MGM fate. If press relaeses are anything to go by, this week sees the first round of bidding for this company. Who knows, perhaps everything really happens quite fast here? Once this hurdle is taken the affair should become a whole lot easier. If maybe Sony is a little ahead of the competition and Amy Pascal really has that good a line to EON, things may really commence relatively quick. There's always hope.

[Zorin Industries]

More likely is that no one - Craig, Dench, Broccoli and Wilson included - knows for certain what's going to happen next. I'm sure the plan was - and still is - to begin production in 2010 for a possible fall 2011 release. But MGM's finanial woes have thrown a wrench into those plans.

Doesn´t seem likely to me - as the "announcements" were made way AFTER the MGM troubles began and take into account one more thing, MMW might have seen it coming all along, he is in the business long enough to realize problems earlier than some others and that´s why we might haven gotten the year gap from the start - for them to be on the save side. I trust them to have made a backup plan back then and can now let people like DC/Dench make their statemens.

One thing about this board though - its a boys playground and women are not taken seriously - might be a mistake

Really - Zorin, I have nothing against you personally, but its surprising how people hang on your every word, even when you are misquoting and therefore make the wrong assumptions, people still think, you are always right. Amazing...

With the best regards in the world Germanlady, I am not that bothered who does and who doesn't "hang" on anything I say. Like Rufus Ffolkes I am coming at this one from experience and a bit of informed insight. You are clearly a Daniel Craig fan who follows his career in greater depth than I need to (and that is great - no criticisms there) but whichever interview Daniel Craig has done or not done or what clues he has given to BOND 23's development is futile if we are going down the road of "he said that" and "he hinted at that but didn't say that" etc. My original comments about "late next year" were following on from his passing stage door comments so I haven't misquoted anyone when citing him mentioning something along the lines of "we start at the end of next year".

As for any Regis And Whatnot interview...in Britain when an actor goes on a shallow bit of entertainment promoting nonsense like a inane chat-show they are usually and rightfully promoting a current project not outlining every detail of a future project that hasn't even got a distributor yet. And, again, this comes from my own working experience of publicity, the media game and promoting a product.

I hate to upset the apple cart of fandom here, but it might be worth noting that the future of Bond films is at a fragile crossroads right now. Touch wood, things will be sorted in everyone's favour. But if and when they are sorted, "work on the next Bond film" would have started a bit sooner than "late next year" anyway. Which is sort of what I am suggesting all along... what is said is not always what is the reality. Daniel Craig is not lying. But he is being deliberately cagey and coy. Actors of his profile need to do that when they are working on projects such as Bond. He will also be "working on" a few projects as we speak. Just because the fan world do not know about that doesn't make that untrue.

[Zorin Industries]

...the "announcements" were made way AFTER the MGM troubles began

MGM's "troubles" have been rattling on for decades....

I trust them to have made a backup plan back then and can now let people like DC/Dench make their statemens.

But the actors Daniel Craig and Dame Judi Dench have not made any statements regarding the next James Bond film. They have been asked very loose and general questions and responded to them likewise. These are not press releases, announcements, press kits or media conferences about BOND 23.

[tdalton]

I'm glad that EON is planning to begin filming sometime next year, but until MGM finds a distribution partner that can get it the funding that it needs to actually get the film made, it's only a plan that isn't a concrete shooting schedule. Until I hear an official press-release from EON and/or Lionsgate, Sony, Warner, or whatever other studio actually does gain ownership of the Bond franchise, I'm not setting my expectations for when the film will be released because it's simply not set in stone yet.

[Quantumofsolace007]

I am goin g to have faith it will work out. why cause As zxorin has said about me several times I have an exuberance and passion about the things I love Right or wrong that is how i view the world. I have an endless supply of faith and Me believeing bond 23 will be out in 2011 hurts no one but myself.


So Roll on bond 23 in 2011.

[Rufus Ffolkes]

In somewhat related news, it now seems like MGM and Warner's co-production of The Hobbit is being pushed back.

http://www.denofgeek..._light_yet.html

[Zorin Industries]

what is said is not always what is the reality.

Kind of like when EON stated that Timothy Dalton was "the Bond of record", but we all knew that MGM wasn't going to green light another Bond film with Timothy Dalton in the lead role?

The financial problems with MGM are different this time around, and I don't believe it will slow the production down at all.

Everyone hopes you are right, but THE HOBBIT is now in official limbo (as Rufus mentioned).

[Trident]

In somewhat related news, it now seems like MGM and Warner's co-production of The Hobbit is being pushed back.

http://www.denofgeek..._light_yet.html

The news I'm interested in right now would be what kind of progress the MGM debacle makes. Every journey begins with the first step, not with the second or third.