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[thecasinoroyale]

Heresy! It would NOT have been awesome! We would have never of had Dalton if Brozza took over in '87!

 

For shame!

[Tiin007]

Yeah, I know. I love Dalton, and I agree with you. I was just reflecting on the sheer longevity of a 16-year Brosnan era. 

 

In DAD, M tells Bond: "While you were away, the world changed."

But under my what-if, she'd be telling him: "Since you've been here, the world changed repeatedly." 

[glidrose]

One thing I am well and truly fed up with is what I choose to call the "media driven wish fulfiment" behind the "Craig has quit" reports. On social media there are links times many to websites well known and obscure stating definitively that DC has gone and pushing one replacement or another as his successor.

We have no confirmation - absolutely none - that this is the case, but I can't help feeling that this is turning into a self fulfilling prophesy - Craig has quit because it says so on such and such site and the reason it says so is because Craig has quit because it says so on such and such site. I was on Facebook recently and one poster, bold as brass declared "IT' S OFFICIAL - Craig has quit!" and when challenged how he knew referred others to one, just one website which in fairness was using the word "reportedly" in its report. And on that basis people believe he's done, when we don't know that he has.

Kudos to Guy Haines. The "media" inventing the news for the sake of it - they gotta have those headlines - and internet nobodies playing it up because perhaps it makes them feel important.

OTOH, all this fuss does keep Bond in the news.

I agree with MajorB that Craig is likely to wait until he's read the B25 script before deciding one way or another. Craig taking on other projects doesn't mean he's quit. It does however indicate he knows the end is near.

[Dustin]

One thing I am well and truly fed up with is what I choose to call the "media driven wish fulfiment" behind the "Craig has quit" reports. On social media there are links times many to websites well known and obscure stating definitively that DC has gone and pushing one replacement or another as his successor.

We have no confirmation - absolutely none - that this is the case, but I can't help feeling that this is turning into a self fulfilling prophesy - Craig has quit because it says so on such and such site and the reason it says so is because Craig has quit because it says so on such and such site. I was on Facebook recently and one poster, bold as brass declared "IT' S OFFICIAL - Craig has quit!" and when challenged how he knew referred others to one, just one website which in fairness was using the word "reportedly" in its report. And on that basis people believe he's done, when we don't know that he has.

Kudos to Guy Haines. The "media" inventing the news for the sake of it - they gotta have those headlines - and internet nobodies playing it up because perhaps it makes them feel important.

OTOH, all this fuss does keep Bond in the news.

I agree with MajorB that Craig is likely to wait until he's read the B25 script before deciding one way or another. Craig taking on other projects doesn't mean he's quit. It does however indicate he knows the end is near.

Somehow I don't think it will be the script Craig bases his decision on...

How often is that the case - really the case - a script is so stellar an actor grabs it and won't let go again? Not all too often. And it's not as if Eon had a drawer of 'Oscar bait scripts' in the cellar they just don't open too frequently because it would scare away the fans.

[glidrose]

Somehow I don't think it will be the script Craig bases his decision on...

How often is that the case - really the case - a script is so stellar an actor grabs it and won't let go again? Not all too often. And it's not as if Eon had a drawer of 'Oscar bait scripts' in the cellar they just don't open too frequently because it would scare away the fans.

Fair enough. The script, director, the money, if he feels up to it, what other opportunities are available, if the projects he's about to embark on as we now speak go over well.... All I'm saying is that I don't think he's entirely made up his mind. He may be leaning one way or another - and probably is. Perhaps he's also waiting to see how the distributor shuffle goes.

[Dustin]

Quite possible, yes.

[SecretAgentFan]

 

 

One thing I am well and truly fed up with is what I choose to call the "media driven wish fulfiment" behind the "Craig has quit" reports. On social media there are links times many to websites well known and obscure stating definitively that DC has gone and pushing one replacement or another as his successor.

We have no confirmation - absolutely none - that this is the case, but I can't help feeling that this is turning into a self fulfilling prophesy - Craig has quit because it says so on such and such site and the reason it says so is because Craig has quit because it says so on such and such site. I was on Facebook recently and one poster, bold as brass declared "IT' S OFFICIAL - Craig has quit!" and when challenged how he knew referred others to one, just one website which in fairness was using the word "reportedly" in its report. And on that basis people believe he's done, when we don't know that he has.

Kudos to Guy Haines. The "media" inventing the news for the sake of it - they gotta have those headlines - and internet nobodies playing it up because perhaps it makes them feel important.

OTOH, all this fuss does keep Bond in the news.

I agree with MajorB that Craig is likely to wait until he's read the B25 script before deciding one way or another. Craig taking on other projects doesn't mean he's quit. It does however indicate he knows the end is near.

Somehow I don't think it will be the script Craig bases his decision on...

How often is that the case - really the case - a script is so stellar an actor grabs it and won't let go again? Not all too often. And it's not as if Eon had a drawer of 'Oscar bait scripts' in the cellar they just don't open too frequently because it would scare away the fans.

 

Exactly.

 

And really, can a script to a Bond film be so great that an actor needs to do it?

 

Of course, not.  It´s pulp fiction, just like any franchise film.  Actors who absolutely want to do these kinds of entertainment are in it for the money and the fame, and they are most keen on them to either build a career or because they know that nobody will want to see them in other films.  Look at Robert Downey jr.´s career.  Does anybody really believe that he loves to play Iron Man again and again?  But his other films tanked.  So, to take the step into a post franchise career can only happen if there already is enough money and the fed-up factor is high enough.

 

For Craig both seems to be the case.

[MajorB]

Actually, IIRC, Casino Royale was an exception to this The Script Is Not Enough rule. Didn't Craig say he resisted getting involved with Bond until he read the script and saw how they were handling the character? But yes, I think at this point it will be a combination of factors that make his decision.

[hoagy]

It depends...with Brosnan portraying Bond the producers, unfortunately, went overboard and took DAD -- which starts out well -- to cartoonish territory.  I did not mind the invisible Aston.  Current science is close to producing such cloaking.  But the awful CGI and surfing the tsunami wave and the awful puns...how they were able to forget the lessons learned after MR just a few films later was discouraging.  So, with Brosnan in place for that much longer a period, would it have been better ?  Tough to say.  He certainly was young and handsome and appropriate for the role even when he first played it, so he'd have been younger still -- yet, old enough -- had he gotten the part earlier.

Of course, if they produced the dour and dull TLD and LR with Brosnan in the role, he likely would not have lasted as long as you think.  Of course, Dalton was not finished due to the awful dullness of LR, with its TV-show plot and villain and its childish jealous-sweetheart subplot, but that same presentation would not have done Brosnan's longevity any favors, either.

Bottom line:  It might not have gone as well as you imagine it could have gone...

[SecretAgentFan]

That´s all revisionism, of course.  But it´s safe to say that neither TLD nor LTK would have been realised the way they were if Brosnan had taken over instead of Dalton.

 

In the end, I think it´s good that things happened the way they did.

[Odd Jobbies]

...Didn't Craig say he resisted getting involved with Bond until he read the script and saw how they were handling the character?

I recall this too

[SecretAgentFan]

Yes, he did.

 

And at that point it was sensible.  He probably expected another DAD.

 

But right now, he knows that the scripts are tailored to him and will incorporate his ideas.  So the script cannot really be a factor for him.  It´s just mentioned for PR reasons.  The press eats this up.

[Toxteth_OGrady]

Another hint that DC won't be returning?

http://www.mirror.co...ing-007-8166810

[Shrublands]

Another hint that DC won't be returning?

http://www.mirror.co...ing-007-8166810

 

I find it very interesting that she said all this at an official Danjaq /Eon event, she must surely have know what she was permitted to talk about.

[SecretAgentFan]

There must be something to the rumours.

 

Then again, the only thing she said is this: “I can understand why Daniel would not want to return. Bringing back the same role again can be complicated."

 

She does not say "I can understand why Daniel does not want to return."

[Shrublands]

She does also say “But I’m a huge fan of Tom’s work. I believe Barbara will pick someone like that who has a theatre background.”

Other than what she says explicitly, it really seems as if she is permitted to talk about Dan going and someone else taking over.

 

My thoughts are, she was bound to have been briefed before an official Danjaq /Eon event as to what she can and can not say. Anything concerning a new James Bond would be high on the list and the PR people would know for certain it would come up.

"Dan is the current Bond util he says otherwise, he's wonderful, loved working with such a dedicated, talented, sexy, gifted... etc etc" would have been what I'd have expected.

[SecretAgentFan]

True.

 

I can only repeat myself like a parrot: I loved Daniel Craig´s portrayal of Bond.  I even got around and love SPECTRE now.

 

But I would prefer BOND 25 to start fresh with a new actor.  Hiddleston would be fantastic.

[S K Y F A L L]

I would like another Craig Bond featuring Blofeld's escape and some diabolical master plan to play out on the world.

 

I wonder if Craig is looking at the role now with more of a co-producer's role in mind...

 

If BOND 25 features BOND 7 I hope they come out guns blazing rather then the worst case being a film every 4 years.

[AMC Hornet]

If we are to get only one film every four years, I wouldn't worry about trying to keep one actor in the role. Cast someone new every time.

[univex]

True.

 

I can only repeat myself like a parrot: I loved Daniel Craig´s portrayal of Bond.  I even got around and love SPECTRE now.

 

But I would prefer BOND 25 to start fresh with a new actor.  Hiddleston would be fantastic.

A second parrot will repeat the first parrot, every time

So, yes, definitely. Craig is awesome. Craig is done. Hiddles for Bond. 

[AMC Hornet]

Then Aidan Turner in 2023?

[univex]

Then Aidan Turner in 2023?

 

Sure. Although I see Turner being Bond for many, many years to come, if he´s up for it. The guy doesn´t look 32, he looks older, so he´d fit the role now, and not as a rookie Bond again. None of that again, please. If Hiddles takes the role, he can have it for more than 7 years, provided he aces it, of course.

[sharpshooter]

I'd like to see the next Bond actor do five films. Preferably Hiddles. Not sure how likely that would be, given the gaps in between films. But hope springs eternal.

[SecretAgentFan]

I could imagine Hiddleston (or anyone really wanting to be Bond) eager to do Bond films more often.

[univex]

Yes, I can imagine that as well, on both accounts, SS and SAF, Hiddleston is, by now, accustomed to the Marvel rhythm of doing things. A film every two years would mean 5 films in a decade. That isn´t too hard to imagine, I suppose. 

[Dustin]

An every other year schedule would be perfectly possible - provided the producers and MGM are up for it. But it certainly would mean a different approach, there'd constantly have to be one project in pre-production, one in production and one playing in theatres.

[Odd Jobbies]

If Disney got the deal they'd want a movie every other year... Just saying

[Orion]

Yes, I can imagine that as well, on both accounts, SS and SAF, Hiddleston is, by now, accustomed to the Marvel rhythm of doing things. A film every two years would mean 5 films in a decade. That isn´t too hard to imagine, I suppose. 

You say that, but Hiddleston pointed out it was 2012 since he last actually filmed anything as Loki so I don't think he's been quite as big a part of the constant production approach as say RDJ or Chris Evans. Having said that he comes from a BBC tv background so is probably very used to that hectic a schedule from his time on Wallander alone.

[univex]

 

Yes, I can imagine that as well, on both accounts, SS and SAF, Hiddleston is, by now, accustomed to the Marvel rhythm of doing things. A film every two years would mean 5 films in a decade. That isn´t too hard to imagine, I suppose. 

You say that, but Hiddleston pointed out it was 2012 since he last actually filmed anything as Loki so I don't think he's been quite as big a part of the constant production approach as say RDJ or Chris Evans. Having said that he comes from a BBC tv background so is probably very used to that hectic a schedule from his time on Wallander alone.

 

Quite right, Orion. I stand corrected. Although he´s been living with the character every single day and interview. And doing a good job at that. 

But yes, the BBC production is always quite demanding. A good school, I think.

[SecretAgentFan]

Let´s not forget: Brosnan was eager to be Bond, and we got a movie every other year with him, too.

 

And no, three years or more are not necessary to make a better film.  In fact, the plot holes and contrivances in SKYFALL and SPECTRE are proof enough for that.

 

I absolutely believe that it was Craig´s reluctance to step back into the role which urged EON to put on the brakes, waiting for Mendes to appease Craig etc.

 

Craig was great as Bond - definitely - but he also never really got around to enjoying the role.

 

And what the series needs now is people who love it and present that to the world.  I´m fed up with actors and directors who have to be dragged in, always bitching about how they rather do something else before the money makes them return.  I imagine that this is what drove the "Bond might not be relevant anymore"-stories, too.