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[Quantumofsolace007]

It just seems to me there is a HUGE anti American conscious on this board and I'm curious is there anything American bond fans would accept in bond 23?


Now mind you I know I'm setting my self up for a lot of "you want an American bond like hero watch Indiana Jones of Batman or Macgyver"


But can an American location work? I know quantum would have people everywhere surely they wouldn't just ignore America?

the only American Villain the franchise ever had was Joe Don Baker's Brad Whittaker (Zorin was East German though played by an American and Mr Big/Dr Kananga was San Moniquian) Even in Fleming we had the American villain Jack Spang and Mr Big. So Fleming wasn't shy about using America (America was used as location for Live and let die Goldfinger The Spy who Loved me and the short story For your eyes only) So it's certainly not unfleming to have an American location.

As for Over saturation you can get away with the major cities but like Fleming did put bond in the American countryside and it's a whole other world (not that I'm suggesting bond run around Vermont) But most of the mid wet and Boston isn't really overly used.


As for girls or villains I'm not suggesting Megan Fox or vin disel but I do think there are American actors and actresses that could do just as good a job as any European actress out there.

I say America shouldn't be condemned due to past follies in the bond film world but rather celebrated as an area of untapped potential like Canada or Australia.


Now to sit back and watch everyone yell at me for wanting 007 to come to America .


And i still liek amanda bynes

[jrcjohnny99]

Well...
Bond has been in the US quite a bit over the series;
Goldfinger (Miami - Kentucky)
DAF (LAX- Las Vegas)
LALD (NYC- NOLA)
Moonraker (SoCal)
AVTAK (SF)
LTK (Key West)
QoS (Miami)

Tho I would have no problem with Bond doing something in the SouthWest or Hawaii..

[DaveBond21]

There have always been 3 issues with this:-

1) The Bond movies featuring an American location have often been the least exciting.

2) The US is not exotic enough for some American fans of the franchise

3) What reason would there be for the British Secret Service to be involved in the US, when the CIA can take care of things there?

[Tybre]

3) What reason would there be for the British Secret Service to be involved in the US, when the CIA can take care of things there?

Generally the CIA does not do internal jobs. They do, but very rarely. Also, there's a whole lot of murky politics to the intelligence world. Actually, I was watching AVTAK the other day, and technically, some of Bonds claims would be untrue and a few scenes likely would have gone down a fair bit differently. In fact it's entirely possible Bond would've been recalled. Once the truth of Zorin's scheme was uncovered, unless it were much more imminent than it is in the film, MI6 would have handed him over to American intelligence agencies, who would then have full authority over him until the job was done or he was pulled off the job; ergo Bond would have been recalled or he would have had CIA/FBI men with him for a good lot more of the film. Now I'm not using this as an example of why Bond has to handle American jobs, it's just an example of intelligence politics.

[tdalton]

1) The Bond movies featuring an American location have often been the least exciting.

Exactly. EON has proven time and time again that they don't have the ability to make a truly great film that takes place primarily in the US. The locations that they choose always come off as being quite dull and unexciting, and there are plenty of other great locations that they could take Bond to and actually make an exciting film as opposed to returning the series to the US when they've proven that they can't take advantage of the locations.

[Mr. Arlington Beech]

In direct answer to this thread's question.....NOOOO!!!

Please, not anymore!!

[DominicGreene]

1) The Bond movies featuring an American location have often been the least exciting.

Exactly. EON has proven time and time again that they don't have the ability to make a truly great film that takes place primarily in the US. The locations that they choose always come off as being quite dull and unexciting, and there are plenty of other great locations that they could take Bond to and actually make an exciting film as opposed to returning the series to the US when they've proven that they can't take advantage of the locations.

My sediments exactly!



The reason why I don't like American Bond girls is that, they are not as exotic as Europeans (And not as sexy) American Bond girl = Boring and unexciting

Edited by DominicGreene, 29 July 2009 - 10:36 AM.

[Aris007]

I have to say that I wouldn't mind an American actor! The problem is how is the director going to use him in the story! I fhe acts in America there's nothing that MI6 can do!

[Cruiserweight]

1) The Bond movies featuring an American location have often been the least exciting.

Exactly. EON has proven time and time again that they don't have the ability to make a truly great film that takes place primarily in the US. The locations that they choose always come off as being quite dull and unexciting, and there are plenty of other great locations that they could take Bond to and actually make an exciting film as opposed to returning the series to the US when they've proven that they can't take advantage of the locations.

My sediments exactly!



The reason why I don't like American Bond girls is that, they are not as exotic as Europeans (And not as sexy)

I disagree big time on that one.
I find Jill St. John,Barbara Bach,Lois Chiles,Tanya Roberts,& Carey Lowell very sexy. Much more then many(Not all) of the European Bond girls.


It's clear what the Bond series needs.Have Bond return to San Francisco to visit a now 54 year old Stacey Sutton...

[Safari Suit]

[HildebrandRarity]

It would be nice to have Bond over in North Amercia in daylight, i.e. something more than what we got with Miami in Casino Royale.

There are plenty of talented American actors not of the Tabloid variety Eon could use.

[Mr_Wint]

I would like to see a Bondfilm set in Alaska, and filmed there.

[HildebrandRarity]

Alaska would be cool. Rocky Mountains would also be interesting...Bond doing some climbing and having a line in there about 'My parents were lost in a climbing accident' sorta thing linking it to Fleming.

[Whalltt]

The problem is, when a Bond movie is too American-based, it feels like any other movie, and it loses its exotic touch. There are millions of movies set in the US.
Think of AVTAK: that fire truck chase, looks like it came out of Lethal Weapon.

[Cruiserweight]

I would like to see a Bondfilm set in Alaska, and filmed there.

Sarah Palin as a bond girl?

[Whalltt]

I would like to see a Bondfilm set in Alaska, and filmed there.

Sarah Palin as a bond girl?

Or as comic relief

[tdalton]

Alaska would be cool. Rocky Mountains would also be interesting...Bond doing some climbing and having a line in there about 'My parents were lost in a climbing accident' sorta thing linking it to Fleming.

Alaska would be a cool setting for a Bond film. I think that they could take great advantage of one of the locations in that state where the sun either doesn't go down or doesn't come up for long periods of time. I think that a Bond villain could make great psychological use out of such a setting in order to get the better of Bond.

As for an American villain or an American Bond woman, there's only a few actors that I would want to see in those roles. For an American villain, I think that James Woods would be absolutely brilliant. For an American Bond woman, Olivia Wilde is the only one that I can think of that I would want to see in an upcoming film.

[Head of S]

It just seems to me there is a HUGE anti American conscious on this board and I'm curious is there anything American bond fans would accept in bond 23?


But can an American location work? I know quantum would have people everywhere surely they wouldn't just ignore America?

America has featured in more James Bond films than any other country -

DR NO - Cape Canaveral is seen on Dr No's TV screens for the rocket launch.

GOLDFINGER - Miami, Kentucky

THUNDERBALL - Miami

YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE - Alaska (DEW line in pre-titles), Pentagon

DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER - Las Vegas, Baja

LIVE AND LET DIE - New York, New Orleans

MOONRAKER - California

OCTOPUSSY - Pre-titles "fill 'er up please."

A VIEW TO A KILL - SanFrancisco

LICENCE TO KILL - Key West

DIE ANOTHER DAY - Falco in his office at the NSA

CASINO ROYALE - Miami

[Tarl_Cabot]

America is too dull for a Bond location.It's just not exotic.

[The Shark]

Oh puhleeze. Love it or hate it, AVTAK actually made extensive and good use of its locations. Its one of the last great Bond films to actually travel to interesting and cultured places; far better than "Afghanistan" or Mozambique. It's not like San Francisco made or broke AVTAK. You could've set the film in Seattle or London or any other high-tech corridor and the film still would've been the same.

I'd disagree, the movie severely loses momentum from when Bond arrives at San Francisco to the City Hall fire - an exotic location would help give it more of a unique feel.

You're right, London would have been far more interesting.

[DominicGreene]

1) The Bond movies featuring an American location have often been the least exciting.

Exactly. EON has proven time and time again that they don't have the ability to make a truly great film that takes place primarily in the US. The locations that they choose always come off as being quite dull and unexciting, and there are plenty of other great locations that they could take Bond to and actually make an exciting film as opposed to returning the series to the US when they've proven that they can't take advantage of the locations.

My sediments exactly!



The reason why I don't like American Bond girls is that, they are not as exotic as Europeans (And not as sexy)

I disagree big time on that one.
I find Jill St. John,Barbara Bach,Lois Chiles,Tanya Roberts,& Carey Lowell very sexy. Much more then many(Not all) of the European Bond girls.


It's clear what the Bond series needs.Have Bond return to San Francisco to visit a now 54 year old Stacey Sutton...

I was just saying MORE sexier. I do think Americans are beautiful too, just not as much! But I respect your opinion!

Edited by DominicGreene, 29 July 2009 - 10:02 PM.

[Quantumofsolace007]

it's interesting while some people here are admantly anti bond coming to america most of those people are respectfull of the other side which is good.


Really i feel with Casino Royale and Quantum (and obviously bond 23) we're looking at a new franchise almost. Don't get me wrong bond is still Bond but the quality of these 2 films is almost lightyears ahead of nearly all the brosnan entries. I do think if there was ever a time for the producers to prove the naysayers wrong about america being a cool 007 location it would be now.

From New york to Los angles there are a lot of interesting thing one could do (and borrow from fleming) that would be exotic at least to most bond fans.

[DaveBond21]

America has featured in more James Bond films than any other country -

That's because The US is the most important country in the world.

MOONRAKER - California

Don't forget that the United States could be seen from Drax's space station.

DIE ANOTHER DAY - Falco in his office at the NSA

Yeah. Nothing more exotic than Falco's office. In fact, I can still remember people leaving the theater and saying to one another: "Let's go to Falco's office next year for vacation, honey."

Don't forget NEVER SAY NEVER AGAIN: the United States was shown on the holographic display that Largo and 007 used to battle each other other.

Your list of American links to the Bond series is thinner than Karen Carpenter's daily meal planner.

Hey, calm down, it's just a friendly discussion....

[RedKelly]

Well if you look at MI3 it had a good action scene that took place in "Virginia" It's just it couldn't feature as a prominent location. It was alright in GF and LTK. Unless it were to be in NYC or LA. Even that wouldn't have much appeal. I want to see locations unused in the Bond movies.

Edited by RedKelly, 30 July 2009 - 01:38 AM.

[darthbond]

There are several great American places used in the movies, so yes to Location, and yes to a Bond villian. I remember hearing Marc Forester talked about having the film villians as being more realistic. Not all Americans are good guys, and not all good guys are Americans. (That goes for the British.)

However, when we have American Bond girls, why do they have to have the nasely voice that 1 out of every 10 Americans have? Moonraker for example!

darthbond

Edited by darthbond, 30 July 2009 - 01:49 AM.

[Righty007]

1) The Bond movies featuring an American location have often been the least exciting.

Exactly. EON has proven time and time again that they don't have the ability to make a truly great film that takes place primarily in the US. The locations that they choose always come off as being quite dull and unexciting, and there are plenty of other great locations that they could take Bond to and actually make an exciting film as opposed to returning the series to the US when they've proven that they can't take advantage of the locations.

My sediments exactly!

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[jrcjohnny99]

Moonraker (SoCal)

Bond may have gone there in the script, but he sure wasn't anywhere near Southern California in the movie. It's hard to call that Los Angeles when it's clearly a country mansion in France.



Which bit isn't anywhere near SoCal?
The LAX shots were Bond boards the helicopter?
The shots of downtown Los Angeles that they fly over?
The shots of Lockheed's facility in Palmdale, 50 miles north of LA?

NEXT!

[jrcjohnny99]

I would like to see a Bondfilm set in Alaska, and filmed there.

Sarah Palin as a bond girl?

Or as comic relief

She'd make a great villain; there could be a hunting scene a la MR
"Mr Bond, take my gun, a stray Elk may wander into view..."

[volante]

I understood Bond 23 was rummoured to be located in New York.

Megan Fox must be high on the list for Bond girl, now she has said NO

[jrcjohnny99]

Which bit isn't anywhere near SoCal?
The LAX shots were Bond boards the helicopter?
The shots of downtown Los Angeles that they fly over?
The shots of Lockheed's facility in Palmdale, 50 miles north of LA?

From what I recall, the LAX shot was Second Unit. I don't think Roger Moore was even out there. But I was making a bigger point, anyway, which is that there's a difference between a film being set, or partially set, in an American location, and the actual EXTENSIVE use of an American location. "Falco's office" (I'm assuming it was Langley VA) is not an "American location". A U.S. rocket launch pad on a television monitor in Dr.No is not an American location. These don't qualify as "American locations".

Using that logic, the United States also figured into the pre-credits sequence of MOONRAKER, as it was in this country's airspace that Jake Lombard doubled Roger Moore for the parachute-less free fall scenes; by further extension, Florida figures into Moonraker because parts of the boat chase, the python sequence, and the space center scenes were all filmed in and around the central and coastal parts of the state

You've been SERVED!

ok; first off, I never mentioned Falco's office or Dr No.
perhaps you're "serving" the wrong guy.??

I believe we were talking about where the Bond movies were set rather than where they were actually filmed. I merely pointed out to the first poster that a number of Bond flicks were set in the US;

You then suggested that none of the MR scenes supposedly in SoCal were filmed in SoCal;
you were wrong and I detailed out why but I guess you dont like admitting it.

Maybe you should spend more time actually reading the threads than tryinig to score silly points.