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[AMC Hornet]

For what it's worth, my least favorite films are AVTAK, MR, LTK & FRWL, but all for very different reasons.

AVTAK I think had a lot wrong with it, mainly to do with the casting and writing, but I still watch it occasionally, as it does have its moments.

Moonraker I liked when it first came out, but thiry years on it still remains science fiction - and silly sf at that. I still enjoy watching it, I just don't rate it very highly.

LTK is just too damn nasty, although very well written and acted. My attitude is that if Bond isn't enjoying what he's doing, how can we enjoy watching him?

FRWL is a wonderful film. I have nothing against it. In fact, whenever I've had enough of slam-bang mindless spectacle, that's the one I play in order to decompress and enjoy a really tautly written old-fashioned thriller. But it's just not my kind of Bond movie. I grew up in the Guy Hamilton era, so movies reminiscent of DAF, LALD & TMWTGG are the kind I enjoy. I'm aware that I am in the minority, but it doesn't make me not a true Bond fan, just a happily misguided one.

I don't find it necessary to hate any Bond movie. Just because Casino Royale was a step back from its predecessor and Daniel Craig brought us a new, exciting interpretation of Bond doesn't mean that Pierce Brosnan and Die Another Day have to SUCK. Like Tom Jones says in It's Not Unusual, 'I've got love enough for two...'

[AMC Hornet]

Oops, I made a factual error in my last posting, which I feel compelled to correct.

(I once read a book on gambling where the author wrote, 'most people remember Baccarat from the James Bond film Goldfinger.' That took me by surprise, I can tell you.) I hate it when people mis-attribute sources, so in the same vein:

'I've got love enough for two' is a line from Help Yourself, not It's Not Unusual.

Just being anal here, in case anyone else as picky as I am happened to notice.

[Colossus]

Waitaminute, no one said that any movie is gods gift to cinema or anything comparable to that. There we go with extremes again.

No here we aren't going to extremes again.

Telling someone that they aren't a real Bond fan because they don't like Goldfinger?
That's going to the extreme.

Give me a damn break!

Insinuating that someone called a Bond movie "gods gift to cinema" is a bit extreme when they just said it was a great Bond, or excellent Bond adventure like i did. Sorry!

[Cruiserweight]

Waitaminute, no one said that any movie is gods gift to cinema or anything comparable to that. There we go with extremes again.

No here we aren't going to extremes again.

Telling someone that they aren't a real Bond fan because they don't like Goldfinger?
That's going to the extreme.

Give me a damn break!

Insinuating that someone called a Bond movie "gods gift to cinema" is a bit extreme when they just said it was a great Bond, or excellent Bond adventure like i did. Sorry!

Calling someone idiotic or not a real Bond fan just because they don't like Goldfinger sure sounds like they're putting Goldfinger on a pedestal to me.Close enough.

[PrinceKamalKhan]

I would not have wanted Dalton's Bond in OP(Sir Rog was born to play Bond in that one) or in AVTAK(at least, not without a major script overhaul prior to shooting).

I think Dalton could have done OP if it was retooled slightly. The intense, exciting final act feels like something he could star in already.

Dalton's Bond would have been a perfect fit for the East Berlin train sequences, Cold War atmosphere is a gift for Dalton's Bond. Look how wonderfully he handled that in TLD.

Fair points. OP's Germany scenes do foreshadow TLD. I do love TLD and Dalton's performance in it(see my sig). But I wouldn't have wanted Dalton's Bond in the India sequences. I also don't think Dalton would've generated as much chemistry opposite Maud Adams as Moore did.

[darthbond]

Right After Octopussy. Straight Answer. I can't watch AVTAK without cringing at Roger. It is a tolerable movie if you can do the impossible and forget it's a 57 year-old Roger.

darthbond

[Gabriel]

For me (and everyone I knew) as a child, Roge simply was James Bond and we didn't take any notice of his age. Maybe he was too old by AVTAK, but we all liked him anyway!

[daltonnery]

After Moonraker. But only because the next film was obviously intended for a new, younger, actor as Bond.

The only problem with having Dalton take over at that point was Octopussy was still in the future. Could you see him in Octopussy? I can't see Dalton in Octopussy and AVTAK and frankly wouldn't want to. Tim Dalton would have made Maude Adams look like a "cougar" lol. Therefore, I think the best solution would have been change the chronological order of the films so that Octopussy and AVTAK came before FYEO. This would have also solved the problem of Moore looking too old in AVTAK.

So here is my revised order:

Roger Moore in:

DAF (1971) (IMO Moore fits better than Connery did or Lazenby would have with characters like Wint, Kidd, Bambi, and Thumper)

LALD (1973)

TMWTGG (1974)

TSWLM (1977)

Moonraker (1979)

Octopussy (switched from 1983 to 1981)

AVTAK (switched from 1985 to 1983)


Timothy Dalton:

FYEO (switched from 1981 to 1985)

TLD (1987)

LTK (1989)

GE (switched from 1995 to 1993)

Then introduce Brosnan in TND in 1996 instead of 1997


What do you think?

Edited by daltonnery, 30 July 2009 - 11:57 PM.

[Safari Suit]

I like it

[Cruiserweight]

After Moonraker. But only because the next film was obviously intended for a new, younger, actor as Bond.

The only problem with having Dalton take over at that point was Octopussy was still in the future. Could you see him in Octopussy? I can't see Dalton in Octopussy and AVTAK and frankly wouldn't want to. Tim Dalton would have made Maude Adams look like a "cougar" lol. Therefore, I think the best solution would have been change the chronological order of the films so that Octopussy and AVTAK came before FYEO. This would have also solved the problem of Moore looking too old in AVTAK.

So here is my revised order:

Roger Moore in:

DAF (1971) (IMO Moore fits better than Connery did or Lazenby would have with characters like Wint, Kidd, Bambi, and Thumper)

LALD (1973)

TMWTGG (1974)

TSWLM (1977)

Moonraker (1979)

Octopussy (switched from 1983 to 1981)

AVTAK (switched from 1985 to 1983)


Timothy Dalton:

FYEO (switched from 1981 to 1985)

TLD (1987)

LTK (1989)

GE (switched from 1995 to 1993)

Then introduce Brosnan in TND in 1996 instead of 1997


What do you think?

Didn't you do this in a topic over in general?

[PrinceKamalKhan]

After Moonraker. But only because the next film was obviously intended for a new, younger, actor as Bond.

The only problem with having Dalton take over at that point was Octopussy was still in the future. Could you see him in Octopussy? I can't see Dalton in Octopussy and AVTAK and frankly wouldn't want to. Tim Dalton would have made Maude Adams look like a "cougar" lol.

Actually, I think Maud Adams is about a year younger than Dalton but I don't think she would've generated as much chemistry with him as she did with Moore. In fairness, I don't think Dalton would've generated as much chemistry with Maryam d'Abo as Dalton did.

Therefore, I think the best solution would have been change the chronological order of the films so that Octopussy and AVTAK came before FYEO. This would have also solved the problem of Moore looking too old in AVTAK.

Good solution. I've often thought Dalton should've been Bond in FYEO but never thought he was right for OP(Moore definitely belonged in that film) or in AVTAK(at least, not without a massive script rewrite overhaul prior to shooting).