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[zencat]

I don't know, it all sounds screwed up enough to be true.

[danslittlefinger]

I would also not be too concerned right now with an unfounded report that cannot even spell Danjaq correctly and that has not even been repeated or reflected in other fiscally-led media outlets. And when is the film community on the internet

Ummm...and that would pertain to me too in my headline. Sorry about making such a fundamental mistake.

Thanks for the correction Mods.

[Skudor]

Sounds like a steaming pile of bull...

[Satorious]

I don't deal in rumours, just facts. Not worried at this stage and I'd be surprised if we saw Bond 23 any earlier than late 2011 anyway.

[Gernot]

what exactly do they mean with:
"The next stage of a new James Bond controversy took place today. And part of what has been reported could be troublesome for any and all websites with images related to 007."

http://www.rottentom...awiseconsulting

[sharpshooter]

Sounds like a steaming pile of bull...

I hope it is.

[0012]

Well, let's look at the facts. Yes, this is from Rotten Tomatoes and does not seem professional or accurate. At the same time, if someone had told you years ago that after revitalizing and reinvigorating the Bond franchise and creating great momentum (which due to mixed reviews of the second film has the possibility of dying out) right before the 50th anniversary, Bond producers (of which there are two headliners, easing the workload), will decide to "take a break" from 007 due to "exhaustion" but instead remake CHITTY CHITTY BANG BANG and another random movie for a studio with whom their contract has supposedly expired???!?!?!?! We have no idea what's really going on, but either way it doesn't make sense. Not to me, at least.

[Tarl_Cabot]

Now where is that thread that discusses the similarities of QoS with LTK??

Oh god, not again!!! another great era in trouble.

Ya Know, speaking of that...I watched QOS the other day...and I thought it had a similiar vibe as Miami Vice(2006), much like LTK is supposedly being derrivitive of the Miami vice tv show...hhhmmmm...man, everything old is new again!

I don't know, it all sounds screwed up enough to be true.

and since I love the Dalton/Craig two packs it must be true.

[Quantumofsolace007]

what exactly do they mean with:
"The next stage of a new James Bond controversy took place today. And part of what has been reported could be troublesome for any and all websites with images related to 007."

http://www.rottentom...awiseconsulting

well if they don;'t like al the cool bond 23 posters people are making then MAKE BOND 23! lol

[tdalton]

Well, if the film actually does arrive around Christmas of 2011, it would actually be released earlier than I thought it would have been. I was thinking that we wouldn't see BOND 23 until at least 2012, so the news of Bond not returning until late 2011 doesn't really surprise me all that much.

It would be sad to see another great era of Bond films come to a premature close, but since that's been the case with all of the other great eras (DN-FRWL, OHMSS, TLD-LTK), it seems fitting and keeping with Bond tradition that it would happen with CR-QOS as well (unfortunately).

[Peckinpah1976]

Saddly the fact that Danjaq only had a two Bond-picture deal with Sony doesn't make this story automatically BS (nor does the poor quality "journalism" involved) - if they are owed that large a sum of money presumably they can't proceed with Bond 23 until they get it back, which is why they're simply having to accept the terms on offer in place of full payment (either that or get involved in a lengthy and costly legal battle).

I actually think this has a ring of truth to it.

[sharpshooter]

It would be sad to see another great era of Bond films come to a premature close, but since that's been the case with all of the other great eras (DN-FRWL, OHMSS, TLD-LTK), it seems fitting and keeping with Bond tradition that it would happen with CR-QOS as well (unfortunately).

Indeed. It would be incredibly frustrating if true. The huge hunt for the next Bond actor and all the excitement generated about the reboot, and it’s done and dusted in two years.

It was bad enough for Dalton’s era to be cut short, but the same thing happening to Craig? That would be even worse. We'd have the perfect James Bond just sitting there doing nothing but ageing. Nothing short of a tragedy.

[tdalton]

It was bad enough for Dalton’s era to be cut short, but the same thing happening to Craig? That would be even worse.

I think that it would be the beginning of the end for the franchise, in all honesty. If QUANTUM OF SOLACE ends up as Craig's final film, then I would have to imagine that, if/when BOND 23 came around, that there would have to be a radical shift in the style of the franchise to account for that, just as there was from LTK to GE (going from a more hard-edged Bond film to the beginning of the action-hero era of the franchise).

I can't say with any certainty that I would stick with the franchise if QOS were Craig's last film, as that would then be the premature end of yet another era of Bond film that appealed to me.

[danslittlefinger]

I hope my prediction of just two Craig films does not come to fruition.

[00Jaws]

If more time euqals more quality then i'm happy regarding Casino Royale and a 4 year break and then only two years from CR to Quantum Of Solace.

[Germanlady]

Why not relax a bit? Babs going out with DC (which seems to have been on a private - non business matter) - certainly doesn't look to me like she would let go of him any time soon. Just remember this - when Michael Wilson first was talking about taking a break, none of the problems discussed here were on the plate yet or at least not in this form - so this might be about having a break after all.

[sharpshooter]

I hope my prediction of just two Craig films does not come to fruition.

So do I. Craig still has lots of life in him to do the role.

[Mr. Somerset]

Why not relax a bit? Babs going out with DC (which seems to have been on a private - non business matter) - certainly doesn't look to me like she would let go of him any time soon. Just remember this - when Michael Wilson first was talking about taking a break, none of the problems discussed here were on the plate yet or at least not in this form - so this might be about having a break after all.

Well said. Until we see something official no need to worry just embrace patience for 2011.

[Gobi-1]

Let me see if I got this straight? SONY used 300 million dollars it owes EON/Danjaq to pay other bills and now EON/Danjaq wants their money.

Sounds like the plot of a very recent spy film that shall remain nameless.

Too me it sounds like it's SONY that has the real financial problems. If SONY can't pay up then EON/Danjaq can't invest the 300 million in the next several Bond films which would be co-produced through MGM which very much needs the cash flow.

So because SONY screwed up MGM may go belly up?

I was just thinking if EON/Danjaq got their 300 million could they start independently financing the Bond series with MGM acting only as a distributor?

I've always assumed that MGM put up most of the money for the series. Although I may be completely wrong.

[Zorin Industries]

Let me see if I got this straight? SONY used 300 million dollars it owes EON/Danjaq to pay other bills and now EON/Danjaq wants their money.

Sounds like the plot of a very recent spy film that shall remain nameless.

Too me it sounds like it's SONY that has the real financial problems. If SONY can't pay up then EON/Danjaq can't invest the 300 million in the next several Bond films which would be co-produced through MGM which very much needs the cash flow.

So because SONY screwed up MGM may go belly up?

I was just thinking if EON/Danjaq got their 300 million could they start independently financing the Bond series with MGM acting only as a distributor?

I've always assumed that MGM put up most of the money for the series. Although I may be completely wrong.

This story is internet manure. The contractual, creative and fiscal ties between Sony, Danjaq and MGM are not even structured the way people have made out both on this thread and in the original er "story".

[Manticore]

I don't buy it.

Not for a minute. We'll see Bond 23 in 2010.

I prefer facts to speculation.

Of course you do...And YOUR facts are...?

[Zorin Industries]

I don't buy it.

Not for a minute. We'll see Bond 23 in 2010.

I prefer facts to speculation.

Of course you do...And YOUR facts are...?

Well one of mine is that this story has "surfaced" (like a chocolate bar in a swimming pool) exactly nowhere other than its original source. And as the equations and statements don't add up - i.e. the "ownership" of Bond and the obligations cited in the story bear no relation to the real structures in place - this weird piece of internetual attempts to break a Bond story are lazy, misspelt and factually all over the place.

If this was a story about Lindsay Lohan being the next Bond Girl, then the fans would realise the manure nature of that. But because it is a different rumour many people have fallen for it.

[JimmyBond]

I can't say with any certainty that I would stick with the franchise if QOS were Craig's last film, as that would then be the premature end of yet another era of Bond film that appealed to me.

I can't say I'd abandon the films if that were to happen. But I would be incredibly disappointed, as I still am with Dalton's premature exit from the series. With all new Bond actors I would of course welcome the new guy in, but I wouldnt be as optimistic with it as I was back in 95 with Brosnan.

[tdalton]

I can't say with any certainty that I would stick with the franchise if QOS were Craig's last film, as that would then be the premature end of yet another era of Bond film that appealed to me.

I can't say I'd abandon the films if that were to happen. But I would be incredibly disappointed, as I still am with Dalton's premature exit from the series. With all new Bond actors I would of course welcome the new guy in, but I wouldnt be as optimistic with it as I was back in 95 with Brosnan.

For me, I don't think that there would be any reason to continue on watching the films, knowing that whenever they went back to the type of Bond film that I enjoy would only last for, at most, a two-film run. Each Bond "era" that has appealed to me has lasted no more than two films (DN-FRWL, OHMSS, FYEO, TLD-LTK, CR-QOS). I don't see much point in getting excited about another new era of Bond films, if QOS is indeed Craig's last, in the future only to have the rug pulled out from under that direction yet again.

If QUANTUM OF SOLACE turned out to be Craig's last film, I can't say I'd ever be optimistic about any new actor coming in, simply because if they couldn't keep someone as brilliant and committed to the role (and popular) as Craig around for an extended period of time, what chance does any other actor have of remaining in the role for an extended period of time.

Edited by tdalton, 20 May 2009 - 02:50 AM.

[JimmyBond]

If QUANTUM OF SOLACE turned out to be Craig's last film, I can't say I'd ever be optimistic about any new actor coming in, simply because if they couldn't keep someone as brilliant and committed to the role (and popular) as Craig around for an extended period of time, what chance does any other actor have of remaining in the role for an extended period of time.

Anythings possible I suppose. But I expected Brosnan to do at least six. While I am a huge supporter of Craig I was a bit surprised when Brosnan was asked to step down, so I wouldnt be surprised if Craig did a short number of films. Not saying he'll only do two but after Brosnan I don't really have any expectations for how long an actor stays in the role.

[triviachamp]

I don't want to be a total pessimist or unreal optimist but this is coming from...a rottentomatoes blog?!? Is there any reason to believe this is legit?

And isn't this the blog with the info about the guy trying to make a new Blofeld movie?

[SecretAgentFan]

This is all very hysterical.

If EON decides not to release another Bond two years after QOS this does not mean that all the involved parties are at war with each other, bored or financially strapped.

It means one thing: a strong business sense. Let´s face it: the times have changed. When Bond films appeared regularly in a two year-interval Bond did not have as much competition. These days it´s not only a downpour of event films, a rival secret agent franchise with "Bourne" and mostly internet and computer games that make it important for EON to wisely choose when to release a new Bond film into the marketplace.

Now, after CR they just had to maintain the momentum. They went full steam ahead to establish Craig as the new Bond and EON´s new way of doing Bond.

This they have achieved brilliantly.

To do another Craig Bond as fast would actually be only a case of diminished returns. They need the audience to be hungry for another Bond. They do not need the audience to say: oh, well, here comes another, yawn.

So, they will take a break because it is the sensible thing to do.

Whatever financial problems there might be or not - this has nothing to do with EON´s attitude towards their main reason of being: producing Bond films.

MGW is not getting younger and producing the films hands-on might become too strenous for him. If he were to step down it would be just a sensible decision. Personally, I don´t think he will step down completely. Maybe he will get another producer to assist him and Barbara Broccoli.

And the fact that EON wants to branch out is totally sensible business-wise, as well. Doing other stuff than Bond would build the EON brand into an even more powerful producing entity. Also, it´s not as if EON suddenly wanted to produce art house fare. They try to mount another Fleming title (Chitty Chitty Bang Bang) and another spy/action-thriller. That´s totally EON´s cup of tea, isn´t it?

So, in the end, we as fans of course wanted to see a new Bond film as soon as possible. But if that´s not gonna happen then so be it. Let´s take the time to reassess QOS (and find out how wonderful it is).

I don´t see Craig turning away from Bond because it takes a bit longer to do the next one. This would be totally stupid for him, considering that his box office clout does not extend beyond Bond yet. With Dalton it was a whole different picture: he did not really set the box office on fire as Craig did. So with more time passing it was sensible for Dalton to be asked to leave. Craig is the new and well established Bond. He will do more.

And if something happened that would prevent him from doing more - why should we actually fear another actor taking on the role? That fear has proven to be ridiculous when Craig took over from Brosnan. There´s no way to doubt that a successor to Craig would be inspired casting as well. They have set the bar high now. They won´t settle for a lesser choice qualitywise.

Okay, then. All´s well. Relax. Enjoy the 22 Bond films we have right now.

[triviachamp]

Just to let you know the source of this rumour is the same site with Tom O'Casey's Blofeld movie.

http://debrief.comma...p...c=53048&hl=

Also I have found no evidence of the existence of a Rick Shaw News Service except these posts. Also an Asian news service called Rick Shaw?

[double o ego]

If QUANTUM OF SOLACE turned out to be Craig's last film, I can't say I'd ever be optimistic about any new actor coming in, simply because if they couldn't keep someone as brilliant and committed to the role (and popular) as Craig around for an extended period of time, what chance does any other actor have of remaining in the role for an extended period of time.

Anythings possible I suppose. But I expected Brosnan to do at least six. While I am a huge supporter of Craig I was a bit surprised when Brosnan was asked to step down, so I wouldnt be surprised if Craig did a short number of films. Not saying he'll only do two but after Brosnan I don't really have any expectations for how long an actor stays in the role.

Why were you surprised? CR was and is an origin film. It would be madness to keep an aging Brosnan and have him make a movie that is supposed to predate all the movies that came before it. Brosnan's removal was and is logical.

[JimmyBond]

Why were you surprised? CR was and is an origin film. It would be madness to keep an aging Brosnan and have him make a movie that is supposed to predate all the movies that came before it. Brosnan's removal was and is logical.

There was a long period (well I can't recall how long it was) between the time Brosnan was confirmed to be out and EON announced the next film was to be Casino Royale. In between that time was when I was surprised.