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[Captain Tightpants]

Most disturbing scene was in QOS, but it was when M removed her make-up. That was so unnecessary Marc Forster.

Huh? I thought that was a marvelous touch! It showed the juxtaposition of M doing what she would normally do every evening, against the extraordinary demands MI6 placed on her and Bond. It astonishes me that people don't appreciate that, but to each his/her own.

I think the reason people say they dislike the scene is simply because it has Judi Dench in it. I'll never understand the dislke for her ...

[eddychaput]

Most disturbing scene ever...Hmm. Let me think.


I'd say it was Mathieu Amalric (one of my favorite actors working today) thinking that a bulgy eye look was more than enough to make a great Bond villain.

[byline]

Most disturbing scene was in QOS, but it was when M removed her make-up. That was so unnecessary Marc Forster.

Huh? I thought that was a marvelous touch! It showed the juxtaposition of M doing what she would normally do every evening, against the extraordinary demands MI6 placed on her and Bond. It astonishes me that people don't appreciate that, but to each his/her own.

I think the reason people say they dislike the scene is simply because it has Judi Dench in it. I'll never understand the dislke for her ...

Same here. And yes, I get that it's not everyone's cuppa tea to see an older woman removing her makeup with cold cream, but that's what I thought was so endearing about it. This is the sort of thing M would do every night. Probably not while ordering that one of her agent's movements be restricted and that he be stripped of his financial means. But that's the wonderful contrast: ordinary behavior juxtaposed with extraordinary action. Not every Bond moment has to be sexed up.

[Judo chop]

I'd say it was Mathieu Amalric (one of my favorite actors working today) thinking that a bulgy eye look was more than enough to make a great Bond villain.

Well, that's hardly sticking to the rules, eddy. Favorite scene?

Anyway. Are you a fan of Largo, or Klebb, or LeChiffre? If so, where did they succeed that Greene does not?

What more would you have him do to reach great Bond villain status?

[HildebrandRarity]

Are you a fan of Largo, or Klebb, or LeChiffre? If so, where did they succeed that Greene does not?

What more would you have him do to reach great Bond villain status?

Speaking of Klebb, I saw a 35 mm print of From Russia With Love on the Big Screen last night, and Amalric as Greene makes Klebb look like a frightened old lady at a grandmothers' tea party.

[Judo chop]

Speaking of Klebb, I saw a 35 mm print of From Russia With Love on the Big Screen last night, and Amalric as Greene makes Klebb look like a frightened old lady at a grandmothers' tea party.

Call it coincidence, homage or somewhere in between, but I totally see similarities in the approach to Klebb’s final scene and Greene’s.

Both fights put me on a precarious edge. Both villains attack in a wild rage, without any sense of strategy, and it’s all very unsettling to me.

Of course QOS is updated, so that fight has the better choreography. But the Klebb fight keeps its own edge even today if only for the fact that it involves a knife on a shoe; a kicking shoe will strike a man in one particular location more often than not. It's still a very "YIKES!!!" scene.

[HildebrandRarity]

Why was Tanya wavering back and forthin her aim at the end? It's as if she was deciding who she was going to shoot.

I wonder what that was all about. If it was Terrence Young or what.

[Mr. Blofeld]

Why was Tanya wavering back and forthin her aim at the end? It's as if she was deciding who she was going to shoot.

I wonder what that was all about. If it was Terrence Young or what.

Um... Hildy, she was deciding who to shoot. It was either a superior officer or the spy who loved her; more often than not, a directorial choice...

[HH007]

Why was Tanya wavering back and forthin her aim at the end? It's as if she was deciding who she was going to shoot.

I wonder what that was all about. If it was Terrence Young or what.

Um... Hildy, she was deciding who to shoot. It was either a superior officer or the spy who loved her; more often than not, a directorial choice...

It was probably in the script as well.

[Professor Pi]

New thoughts on the dumpster scene:

I've told my friend about the raging CBn debate on this scene, and he suggested an idea I hadn't read here. At the beginning of QoS, Mr. White when being interrogated says, "If Vesper hadn't died, we'd have had you too." So the idea is that Bond dumps Mathis in the dumptser to send a message to Quantum: That they can't get to Bond by taking out someone close to him. By throwing his closest friend, Mathis, into the dumpster, Bond's showing Quantum how little that will affect the pursuit of his job.

Thoughts?

[Zorin Industries]

The most disturbing scene in a Bond film ever....?

The glimpse of Connery's basement thatch as he hangs up his suit and is about to bed TIFFANY CASE in DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER! That's like catching your Dad naked in the corridor when you've gone back home for a visit...

[Mr Teddy Bear]

The most disturbing scene in a Bond film ever....?

The glimpse of Connery's basement thatch as he hangs up his suit and is about to bed TIFFANY CASE in DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER! That's like catching your Dad naked in the corridor when you've gone back home for a visit...

As for the 'dumping of Mathis', I see no strategic reason why Bond would do this, only emotional ones.

• Bond was starting to lose his composure, something he desperately wanted to avoid, so he deposed of Mathis' body to restore it.
  
• He though placing Mathis' body in the trash was the most respectful send off he could give his friend, given the situation.

Edited by Mr Teddy Bear, 25 March 2009 - 12:00 PM.

[byline]

New thoughts on the dumpster scene:

I've told my friend about the raging CBn debate on this scene, and he suggested an idea I hadn't read here. At the beginning of QoS, Mr. White when being interrogated says, "If Vesper hadn't died, we'd have had you too." So the idea is that Bond dumps Mathis in the dumptser to send a message to Quantum: That they can't get to Bond by taking out someone close to him. By throwing his closest friend, Mathis, into the dumpster, Bond's showing Quantum how little that will affect the pursuit of his job.

Thoughts?

Very interesting. I'd not thought of this. I think I agree with your friend. Having watched it again on DVD, I'm also reminded that the brutality of death is reflected in the way Mathis is lying there in the bags of garbage. At that point, it really doesn't matter to the deceased where his/her body is; as Bond tells Camille, the dead are beyond caring.

[SecretAgentFan]

New thoughts on the dumpster scene:

I've told my friend about the raging CBn debate on this scene, and he suggested an idea I hadn't read here. At the beginning of QoS, Mr. White when being interrogated says, "If Vesper hadn't died, we'd have had you too." So the idea is that Bond dumps Mathis in the dumptser to send a message to Quantum: That they can't get to Bond by taking out someone close to him. By throwing his closest friend, Mathis, into the dumpster, Bond's showing Quantum how little that will affect the pursuit of his job.

Thoughts?

Wonderful interpretation! Makes total sense to me. Haven´t thought of it before.

[Double-Oh Agent]

New thoughts on the dumpster scene:

I've told my friend about the raging CBn debate on this scene, and he suggested an idea I hadn't read here. At the beginning of QoS, Mr. White when being interrogated says, "If Vesper hadn't died, we'd have had you too." So the idea is that Bond dumps Mathis in the dumptser to send a message to Quantum: That they can't get to Bond by taking out someone close to him. By throwing his closest friend, Mathis, into the dumpster, Bond's showing Quantum how little that will affect the pursuit of his job.

Thoughts?

I don't buy it. Regardless, it's a totally un-Bondian thing for 007 to do to Mathis. Doing it to an enemy? Sure. But a good friend? No way.

[00Twelve]

New thoughts on the dumpster scene:

I've told my friend about the raging CBn debate on this scene, and he suggested an idea I hadn't read here. At the beginning of QoS, Mr. White when being interrogated says, "If Vesper hadn't died, we'd have had you too." So the idea is that Bond dumps Mathis in the dumptser to send a message to Quantum: That they can't get to Bond by taking out someone close to him. By throwing his closest friend, Mathis, into the dumpster, Bond's showing Quantum how little that will affect the pursuit of his job.

Thoughts?

I don't buy it. Regardless, it's a totally un-Bondian thing for 007 to do to Mathis. Doing it to an enemy? Sure. But a good friend? No way.

I disagree. I like it.

I've never understood the argument that it's un-Bondian. I personally don't find Moore's epithets like "No more problems..." very Bondian. Not by Fleming standards, anyway (cue eyeroll). IMO, verily.

[tdalton]

New thoughts on the dumpster scene:

I've told my friend about the raging CBn debate on this scene, and he suggested an idea I hadn't read here. At the beginning of QoS, Mr. White when being interrogated says, "If Vesper hadn't died, we'd have had you too." So the idea is that Bond dumps Mathis in the dumptser to send a message to Quantum: That they can't get to Bond by taking out someone close to him. By throwing his closest friend, Mathis, into the dumpster, Bond's showing Quantum how little that will affect the pursuit of his job.

Thoughts?

I don't buy it. Regardless, it's a totally un-Bondian thing for 007 to do to Mathis. Doing it to an enemy? Sure. But a good friend? No way.

I disagree. I like it.

I've never understood the argument that it's un-Bondian. I personally don't find Moore's epithets like "No more problems..." very Bondian. Not by Fleming standards, anyway (cue eyeroll). IMO, verily.

Completely agreed. I thought that the scene was very well done, with great acting by Craig and Giannini. Certainly one of the most memorable moments in the film, which has quite a few memorable moments.

[Mr. Blofeld]

New thoughts on the dumpster scene:

I've told my friend about the raging CBn debate on this scene, and he suggested an idea I hadn't read here. At the beginning of QoS, Mr. White when being interrogated says, "If Vesper hadn't died, we'd have had you too." So the idea is that Bond dumps Mathis in the dumptser to send a message to Quantum: That they can't get to Bond by taking out someone close to him. By throwing his closest friend, Mathis, into the dumpster, Bond's showing Quantum how little that will affect the pursuit of his job.

Thoughts?

I don't buy it. Regardless, it's a totally un-Bondian thing for 007 to do to Mathis. Doing it to an enemy? Sure. But a good friend? No way.

I disagree. I like it.

I've never understood the argument that it's un-Bondian. I personally don't find Moore's epithets like "No more problems..." very Bondian. Not by Fleming standards, anyway (cue eyeroll). IMO, verily.

Completely agreed. I thought that the scene was very well done, with great acting by Craig and Giannini. Certainly one of the most memorable moments in the film, which has quite a few memorable moments.

I, too, found it quite memorable: It was a hell of a lot more emotional than most of the "sacrificial lamb" scenes in the other Bond films, and it also signaled to the audience that no one, not even a Fleming original, is safe from death.