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[dogtherock]

Do you think Bond should meet a young Blofeld in Bond 23? Maybe he could be the leader of Quantum which changes its name to SPECTRE.

[Quantumofsolace007]

No for a varity of reasons

1.. Eon doesn't own the rights to spectre and blofield

2. the name change would be pointless and stupid if something is quantum is hshould stay that

3. Blofield has been parodied to DEATH no way can they bring him back

4. it would reake of remake

5. and it would be in bad taste.

[Mister E]

Hell no. Leave SPECTRE and Blofeld in the past.

[honour]

Hell no. Leave SPECTRE and Blofeld in the past.

What he said.

[DamnCoffee]

Nope. Horrible suggestion on the Quantum name change aswell.

[HildebrandRarity]

Worst idea ever!

[Zorin Industries]

I found this... it's the closing scene of BOND 23.

SC 231. INT - ATATURK AIRPORT - DAY

DEPARTURE LOUNGE. BOND smiles at a KLM TICKET GIRL (27) as she stamps his passport with equal measures of flirtation and professionalism. BOND relishes the strings-free banter and glances at the bustling CROWDS idly.

Wending through the CROWDS is a suited and fey CHINESE MAN. BOND's attention fixes on the passing CHINESE MAN's path and what is inside his only luggage - a small cage housing a Persian cat.

END OF BOND 23

[crheath]

No for a varity of reasons

1.. Eon doesn't own the rights to spectre and blofield

2. the name change would be pointless and stupid if something is quantum is hshould stay that

3. Blofield has been parodied to DEATH no way can they bring him back

4. it would reake of remake

5. and it would be in bad taste.

#1 is the reason he hasn't appeared and never will. Though, I think it would be a neat idea to reboot the character. Kind of like reprising the Joker in Dark Knight.

[Daddy Bond]

First, he can't come back due to legal issues.

Second, it would be a terrible idea. Far too silly for the direction of today's Bond.

Third, it is not in keeping with the development of Quantum thus far.

[Blonde Bond]

They'd have to make him Eeeeevil. Light Coke of Eeeevil just wouldn't do.

[Single-O-Seven]

They'd have to make him Eeeeevil. Light Coke of Eeeevil just wouldn't do.

Just one calorie - not evil enough.

[Quantumofsolace007]

Why do people have this new found love of the return of spectre? like it's some magical thing Quantum should stay Quantum and that is it.

[Eurospy]

I'm not one to burst another's balloon, but I share the same feelings as all of the above I'm afraid.

[Double-O-Nine]

It's a terrible idea. Blofeld for the 21st century dosen't works.

[AgentBentley]

No need for Blofeld.
Viewers would see him and think of Doctor Evil and all his funny tics in Austin Powers.

[codenamel]

I am going to completely disagree with most of you. Ernst Stavro Blofeld and SPECTRE are an essential part of the world of Bond and when you remove them from the Bond mythos you have lost something that made the films so special in the first place. Blofeld is the larger than life villain that the series needs to give Bond an enemy that maybe, just maybe, he can not defeat. A serious 21st Century interpretation of Blofeld and Spectre/Quantum would make audiences forget Dr. Evil in the same way that Jack Nicholson's and Heath Ledger's Jokers made people forget Caesar Romero's campy incarnation of the 60s. The Ian Fleming Blofeld did not have the shaved head, the Chairman Mao jacket, the effeminate mannerisms or even the Persian cat and that character could be brought to the screen and fit quite nicely into the Daniel Craig films. There is little reason for people to associate the Fleming Blofeld with the Michael Myer's Dr. Evil character and if they do, so what. It is only a movie and you are supposed to suspend disbelief for two hours and if can't, you should probably not go to the movies.

There is the problem of securing the rights to Blofeld and SPECTRE, but after the last court case, the ownership of the rights, as I understand, is a bit ambiguous. Surely the McClory estate has no plans to produce WARHEAD 2010 starring Pierce Brosnan or Hugh Jackman as James Bond in another underwater remake of THUNDERBALL. I am betting they would sell for a very reasonable price to the Broccolis rather than spend another decade in the courts as Kevin did. Litigation is a terrible way to spend your life and you don't produce many movies in the process. The only winners are the lawyers.

My feeling is when you take away a larger than life recurring villain from Bond's universe, you reduce him to the level of just another action hero. He might as well be Jason Bourne or Jack Bauer, although Bauer has had some truly memorable villains. What is the purpose of QUANTUM if there is no great mastermind pulling the strings and working behind the scenes to achieve world power. And the Craig films should culminate in the meeting between Craig's Bond and the new Blofeld as the Connery films did with YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE. OHMSS and YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE are crying out to be remade with Daniel Craig in faithful versions of the novels. The serious gritty style combined with the Ian Fleming stories would be the greatest Bond films of all times, putting the 60s classics to shame.

Now tell me where I am wrong on this.

[Quantumofsolace007]

Sure I will.


Blofeld and spectre are of the past. Were thery important YES. No question Are they important now NO. Quantum turning into spectre would be hokey and incredibly cheesy. and will cheepen Casino Royale and Quantum of solace.


Quantum presents a new mystery to fans who is at the head is there a head etc. It provides freedom for the producers they can use fleming characters as members of quantum.


Spectre doesn't give the producers anything new to work with and cause many to scream remake. another thing we don't really need.

[Righty007]

I am going to completely disagree with most of you. Ernst Stavro Blofeld and SPECTRE are an essential part of the world of Bond and when you remove them from the Bond mythos you have lost something that made the films so special in the first place. Blofeld is the larger than life villain that the series needs to give Bond an enemy that maybe, just maybe, he can not defeat. A serious 21st Century interpretation of Blofeld and Spectre/Quantum would make audiences forget Dr. Evil in the same way that Jack Nicholson's and Heath Ledger's Jokers made people forget Caesar Romero's campy incarnation of the 60s. The Ian Fleming Blofeld did not have the shaved head, the Chairman Mao jacket, the effeminate mannerisms or even the Persian cat and that character could be brought to the screen and fit quite nicely into the Daniel Craig films. There is little reason for people to associate the Fleming Blofeld with the Michael Myer's Dr. Evil character and if they do, so what. It is only a movie and you are supposed to suspend disbelief for two hours and if can't, you should probably not go to the movies.

There is the problem of securing the rights to Blofeld and SPECTRE, but after the last court case, the ownership of the rights, as I understand, is a bit ambiguous. Surely the McClory estate has no plans to produce WARHEAD 2010 starring Pierce Brosnan or Hugh Jackman as James Bond in another underwater remake of THUNDERBALL. I am betting they would sell for a very reasonable price to the Broccolis rather than spend another decade in the courts as Kevin did. Litigation is a terrible way to spend your life and you don't produce many movies in the process. The only winners are the lawyers.

My feeling is when you take away a larger than life recurring villain from Bond's universe, you reduce him to the level of just another action hero. He might as well be Jason Bourne or Jack Bauer, although Bauer has had some truly memorable villains. What is the purpose of QUANTUM if there is no great mastermind pulling the strings and working behind the scenes to achieve world power. And the Craig films should culminate in the meeting between Craig's Bond and the new Blofeld as the Connery films did with YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE. OHMSS and YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE are crying out to be remade with Daniel Craig in faithful versions of the novels. The serious gritty style combined with the Ian Fleming stories would be the greatest Bond films of all times, putting the 60s classics to shame.

Now tell me where I am wrong on this.

You're 110% right on this.

[Quantumofsolace007]

I am going to completely disagree with most of you. Ernst Stavro Blofeld and SPECTRE are an essential part of the world of Bond and when you remove them from the Bond mythos you have lost something that made the films so special in the first place. Blofeld is the larger than life villain that the series needs to give Bond an enemy that maybe, just maybe, he can not defeat. A serious 21st Century interpretation of Blofeld and Spectre/Quantum would make audiences forget Dr. Evil in the same way that Jack Nicholson's and Heath Ledger's Jokers made people forget Caesar Romero's campy incarnation of the 60s. The Ian Fleming Blofeld did not have the shaved head, the Chairman Mao jacket, the effeminate mannerisms or even the Persian cat and that character could be brought to the screen and fit quite nicely into the Daniel Craig films. There is little reason for people to associate the Fleming Blofeld with the Michael Myer's Dr. Evil character and if they do, so what. It is only a movie and you are supposed to suspend disbelief for two hours and if can't, you should probably not go to the movies.

There is the problem of securing the rights to Blofeld and SPECTRE, but after the last court case, the ownership of the rights, as I understand, is a bit ambiguous. Surely the McClory estate has no plans to produce WARHEAD 2010 starring Pierce Brosnan or Hugh Jackman as James Bond in another underwater remake of THUNDERBALL. I am betting they would sell for a very reasonable price to the Broccolis rather than spend another decade in the courts as Kevin did. Litigation is a terrible way to spend your life and you don't produce many movies in the process. The only winners are the lawyers.

My feeling is when you take away a larger than life recurring villain from Bond's universe, you reduce him to the level of just another action hero. He might as well be Jason Bourne or Jack Bauer, although Bauer has had some truly memorable villains. What is the purpose of QUANTUM if there is no great mastermind pulling the strings and working behind the scenes to achieve world power. And the Craig films should culminate in the meeting between Craig's Bond and the new Blofeld as the Connery films did with YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE. OHMSS and YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE are crying out to be remade with Daniel Craig in faithful versions of the novels. The serious gritty style combined with the Ian Fleming stories would be the greatest Bond films of all times, putting the 60s classics to shame.

Now tell me where I am wrong on this.

You're 110% right on this.

Nope Quantum chaning to spctre midstream would be undeniably cheesy.

[Righty007]

I am going to completely disagree with most of you. Ernst Stavro Blofeld and SPECTRE are an essential part of the world of Bond and when you remove them from the Bond mythos you have lost something that made the films so special in the first place. Blofeld is the larger than life villain that the series needs to give Bond an enemy that maybe, just maybe, he can not defeat. A serious 21st Century interpretation of Blofeld and Spectre/Quantum would make audiences forget Dr. Evil in the same way that Jack Nicholson's and Heath Ledger's Jokers made people forget Caesar Romero's campy incarnation of the 60s. The Ian Fleming Blofeld did not have the shaved head, the Chairman Mao jacket, the effeminate mannerisms or even the Persian cat and that character could be brought to the screen and fit quite nicely into the Daniel Craig films. There is little reason for people to associate the Fleming Blofeld with the Michael Myer's Dr. Evil character and if they do, so what. It is only a movie and you are supposed to suspend disbelief for two hours and if can't, you should probably not go to the movies.

There is the problem of securing the rights to Blofeld and SPECTRE, but after the last court case, the ownership of the rights, as I understand, is a bit ambiguous. Surely the McClory estate has no plans to produce WARHEAD 2010 starring Pierce Brosnan or Hugh Jackman as James Bond in another underwater remake of THUNDERBALL. I am betting they would sell for a very reasonable price to the Broccolis rather than spend another decade in the courts as Kevin did. Litigation is a terrible way to spend your life and you don't produce many movies in the process. The only winners are the lawyers.

My feeling is when you take away a larger than life recurring villain from Bond's universe, you reduce him to the level of just another action hero. He might as well be Jason Bourne or Jack Bauer, although Bauer has had some truly memorable villains. What is the purpose of QUANTUM if there is no great mastermind pulling the strings and working behind the scenes to achieve world power. And the Craig films should culminate in the meeting between Craig's Bond and the new Blofeld as the Connery films did with YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE. OHMSS and YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE are crying out to be remade with Daniel Craig in faithful versions of the novels. The serious gritty style combined with the Ian Fleming stories would be the greatest Bond films of all times, putting the 60s classics to shame.

Now tell me where I am wrong on this.

You're 110% right on this.

Nope Quantum chaning to spctre midstream would be undeniably cheesy.

Nobody proposed that stupid idea. All codenamel did was provide a brilliant reason why Eon should have used SPECTRE instead of QUANTUM.

Blofeld is James Bond's arch enemy and leaving him in the past is criminal, IMO.

[tdalton]

I'll have to disagree with the idea of using SPECTRE and/or Blofeld in the Craig Era. Craig's films are too realistic to use a larger-than-life character like Blofeld and the SPECTRE organization. I really like what they're doing with the Quantum organization, and I want them to stay with this realistic approach rather than going back to Blofeld and SPECTRE.

[Mr_Wint]

Craig's films are too realistic to use a larger-than-life character like Blofeld and the SPECTRE organization.

Maybe they should change Craig's films then. I wouldn't mind. FRWL was more serious than anything in QOS, yet we had a bunch of villains which were all a little bit larger-than-life.

[tdalton]

Craig's films are too realistic to use a larger-than-life character like Blofeld and the SPECTRE organization.

Maybe they should change Craig's films then. I wouldn't mind. FRWL was more serious than anything in QOS, yet we had a bunch of villains which were all a little bit larger-than-life.

I hope that they don't change Craig's films. I think that it's been great having villains that could actually exist in the real world rather than the larger-than-life villains like Blofeld, Drax, Stromberg, etc., and I'd much rather save the larger-than-life villains for Bond #7 and allow Craig's Era to stay grounded in the gritty realism that we've had so far in Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace.

[Blonde Bond]

They should have a flashback in Bond 23 , where we'd see Bond and Blofeld attending to Eton. They could make them competing against one another. Or making then friends ; The Double B's.

But then something would happen , that would set them apart , making them enemies later in their lives.

They should also introduce a young Q , a boy few years older than Bond ... AND Alec Travelyan ... and the remote mines... young Drax , a snob french boy , with fixation in perfection ... and Largo! I want to see how he loses his eye!

[Captain Tightpants]

There is no need for a return of Blofeld. He was a product of the time he was created in, and should stay there. To adapt the character for the 21st century means fundamentally changing him to the point here he would be Blofeld in name only; furthermore, the world does not need him. MGW has already satted that Quantum exists at a higher level than SPECTRE and it is obvious that the only thing the two have in common is that they are organisations that operate in secrecy.

[Thunderball302]

i wouldn't mind seeing Blofeld return - but legally that ain't gonna happen.

but Quantum turning into Spectre is just plain silly!

[Von Hammerstein]

No Quantum should stay Quantum but over a period of a few films we find out they're deeper into society that we think, they cause, wars, droughts, shortages and overages with equal aplomb. Perhaps Ernst Stavro Blofeld cannot return but there's nothing saying Quantum can't be run by Etienne Serge Comte de Bleuville.

Edited by Von Hammerstein, 23 December 2008 - 11:10 PM.

[JackUnion]

I used to totally agree with the return of Spectre. But with the introduction of Quantum...which by the way is kind of a dumb name for the group. I think there are elements of Spectre that are present in Quantum and that could be further fleshed out in the future films. I'm thinking mostly of how they meet in Thunderball (the book) and how the various members interact. I think some of you are thinking that a Blofeld return would narrow the producers field of creativity. Well I hate to warn you but they've already done so by creating Quantum. And another of you mentioned that we want to be left wonder if there is a head of Quantum...we there's only so many films that can be done dangling on that string before its just like 'come on already!' So when we are introduced to this 'Top Man' who do you want it to be? Bond's greatest enemy has to maintain some of the stiff, terrifying characteristics of Blofeld. I don't think the character would have to be named Blofeld, nor do I wish he look like the Blofeld of the 60's. I'd rather see Fleming's Version, crew cut and all. I also want to avoid remakes of films like YOLT, OHMSS, and TB. But some of those films carry canon that is essential to Bonds character, the aspects of Marriage, revenge, Arch-nemesis. If those themes don't return then this new Bond is just nothing more then a franchise action hero.

In closing, I've always sort of envisioned a scene in one of the later new Bond films, where the head of Quantum is in a study and his lover has a white Persian Cat that is walking slowly across the floor. This guy has just heard news that Bond has fouled up a scheme and in a burst of raw anger, he just boots the cat across the room into the wall.

[MajorB]

I was a huge fan of SPECTRE and Blofeld back in their day, and deeply lament that the films, IMO, never produced a definitive Blofeld or provided a really rousing, climactic, undeniable death for the character. And whenever these boards discuss a return of SPECTRE and/or ESB, there's a geeky fanboy voice deep inside that shrieks "YES! YES!!"

But with the advent of Quantum, I really think that ship has sailed and sunk. If SPECTRE had been reintroduced, I suspect it would have been a lot like Quantum: subtler, more insidious,operating the way really effective power brokers do--behind the scenes. And I like that about Quantum. I like its plausibility and its ability to stir paranoia. Plus there's the name SPECTRE--in the down-to-earth Craig era, it would be hard to swallow a group clling itself the Special Executive for Counterintelligence, etc. You might just have to call it Spectre. (I refuse to believe that Quantum will turn out to be an acronym.)

So while I miss SPECTRE, I think its day is done.

I do agree that whoever turns out to be in charge of Quantum--assuming it's one person and not some kind of committee--needs to be really interesting, smart, funny, and wicked. I think Mr. White could be really good as that figure, but I don't buy the idea that he's "masquerading" as an underling, so sadly I doubt it's he.

[Quantumofsolace007]

A few points


1. I loved spectre in the 60's don't get me wrong dr. no - Diamonds are forever did a great job at showcasing Spectre. They were great for bond starting out and they were want the bond franchise in the begining needed.


2. I like that the new orgnization is named Quantum. It's better than my idea (nameing them risico) it's has an air of sphistication and lcass. and it almost guarentees no Acronyms.


But here is the magor point I don't want to know about Quantum's top brass til bond 24. Quantum should be like striptease i don't want it all laid out bare in one film dance a little put some effort into it.