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#31 Harmsway

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Posted 16 November 2008 - 06:54 AM

I assumed the opening scene was the fight scene between 007 & M's bodyguard then the gun barrel-to my surprise it was not.

I'm sure it was intended that way, but scrapped by Foster in the editing suite due to his stupid idea of putting the gunbarrel at the end.

It doesn't make sense for it to have been intended that way. The context doesn't really allow for it. Furthermore, interviews and reports demonstrate that Forster did intend to put the gunbarrel at the end from an earlier stage, and that the deleted final scene with Bond killing Mr. White was supposed to lead into it.

#32 DR76

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Posted 16 November 2008 - 07:09 AM

I didn't mind the gun barrel being near the end of the film. It just seemed very rushed . . . like the movie.

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Posted 16 November 2008 - 04:23 PM

20 people? What the heck? I saw at at around noon time yesterday and it was practically full. There was a big lineup behind us when we bought our tickets even though it was playing on 4 screens (I think)! At 12pm!

Was it a small room?


Not really, it was showing in 3 theaters, each one holds about 400-450 people. I peeked in on the other showings that were still playing and they were just as empty. Most people were still at work. I would have went to a later showing to see it with a crowd, but I was up at 5am and didn't think I would make it at a 9pm showing.

I think the most people I've seen at a Bond film in the same theater was for Goldeneye. I saw it 3 times opening weekend and each time the theater was full and I had to wait in a line. Same goes for TND and CR. But, they were later showings.

Edited by SecretAgent007, 16 November 2008 - 04:25 PM.


#34 sharpshooter

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Posted 17 November 2008 - 01:59 PM

My packed audience thankfully remained seated. Once the dots began to move across the screen, a round of applause began. It was a great way to finish a Bond film.

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Posted 17 November 2008 - 02:04 PM

They started to turn up the lights during the Gun Barrel and people start getting up but it was still sharp enough for me to see it well.

You know I'd been on the fence about ther return of the traditional Gun Barrel but I ended up really liking it. Got me all giddy for the next movie!

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Posted 17 November 2008 - 04:08 PM

Got me all giddy for the next movie!

Me too. I actually like it the decision to put it at the end. The emotional charge of the gun barrel after that whole film was great.

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Posted 17 November 2008 - 05:05 PM

Some people down in the lower rows started getting up right as the gunbarrel started up; thankfully, they didn't turn on the lights, though, so I was able to see it very clearly. :(

I was a little disappointed, however, that they didn't reprise Another Way to Die during the end credits, but instead played this bizarre piece by David Arnold entitled Crawl, End Crawl... :)

#38 Double-Oh Agent

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Posted 17 November 2008 - 05:06 PM

Not me. I very much disliked it there. At best it's anticlimactic. The gunbarrel works at the beginning of the films and should always remain there. It sets the mood and gets you excited for the upcoming action.

By the way, I thought the gunbarrel was moved in Casino Royale because Bond wasn't "Bond" yet. He didn't become "Bond" until the end of the film. So why, if Bond is really Bond at the start of Quantum Of Solace, is the gunbarrel at the end? It's stupid to put it there. Forster is just trying to be "different" and screw with tradition.

Hey, while we're at it, let's completely junk the James Bond Theme too and move Christmas to December 5--after all, they've been in place for too many years. It's time to shake things up. :) :(

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Posted 17 November 2008 - 10:15 PM

The gunbarrel was very well executed in my opinioin. Craigs "bond" stance was very good. I hope they keep it for the next film.

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Posted 24 November 2008 - 07:15 PM

I can't find the pictures from Bond On Set regarding what looked like the gunbarrel. Remember when everyone thought he was going to turn around and shoot? I think it was MK12 shooting the very beginning of the main titles with Bond in front of the sun. Camera zooms past bond as he takes his gun out and shoots. It's irrelevant now, but I just thought i'd bring it up.

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Posted 24 November 2008 - 07:20 PM

I was a little disappointed, however, that they didn't reprise Another Way to Die during the end credits, but instead played this bizarre piece by David Arnold entitled Crawl, End Crawl... :(


I, for one, was glad not to hear that song again. To each his own, though.

#42 Judo chop

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Posted 24 November 2008 - 07:28 PM

The gunbarrel at the end was an experiment that had average results. I understand the intent, and I’m glad they tried it once, but I think it’s now proven that once is enough. The placement there has a minimizing effect rather than an enhancing one.

It's hardly an albatross about the film’s neck though. Anyone who tries to make it out to be an ‘end-all’ of the film clearly has an agenda.

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Posted 24 November 2008 - 07:33 PM

Not me. I very much disliked it there. At best it's anticlimactic. The gunbarrel works at the beginning of the films and should always remain there. It sets the mood and gets you excited for the upcoming action.

By the way, I thought the gunbarrel was moved in Casino Royale because Bond wasn't "Bond" yet. He didn't become "Bond" until the end of the film. So why, if Bond is really Bond at the start of Quantum Of Solace, is the gunbarrel at the end? It's stupid to put it there. Forster is just trying to be "different" and screw with tradition.

Hey, while we're at it, let's completely junk the James Bond Theme too and move Christmas to December 5--after all, they've been in place for too many years. It's time to shake things up. :) :(



Roll your eyes. And get used to it.

James Bond has moved on from what was and embrace what he now is. A fifteen second gunbarrel moment does not define a Bond movie for me.

Do not confuse tradition with deadwood. And "tradition" is actually what so many have filtered SOLACE through to detrimental effect. I for one do not embrace a Bond film for what it was but what it can be. And when creatives and skilled film makers up the ante I am not disingenuous enough to dictate it is poor when what is happening is that I actually don't get it.

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Posted 24 November 2008 - 07:48 PM

Placing the gunbarrel at the beginning would have ruined the opening shot. The way the music starts softly under the opening logos, intercut with the aerial shot and the close-ups is just brilliant. One of the best opening shots in the Bond movie.

I'm glad the gunbarrel is at the end.

#45 plankattack

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Posted 24 November 2008 - 07:58 PM

It's at the end because it bookends the CR-QoS storyline. Bond became a double-0 in CR-reboot, and has now (on the face of it) become the 007 that we are used to. The gunbarrel signifies that by being at the end of the film. I have no doubt from here on that it will be at the start and world box-office success will be all but guaranteed......

#46 Judo chop

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Posted 24 November 2008 - 08:06 PM

It's at the end because it bookends the CR-QoS storyline. Bond became a double-0 in CR-reboot, and has now (on the face of it) become the 007 that we are used to. The gunbarrel signifies that by being at the end of the film. I have no doubt from here on that it will be at the start and world box-office success will be all but guaranteed......

Thanks for that Plank. No doubt you are correct. I have studied QoS well, and though I like to believe I have a full handle on it, I think the reality is that none of us are capable of completely evaluating the film until it can be seen in its proper place as Bond's transition period between Casino Royale and Bond 23.

#47 Double-Oh Agent

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Posted 24 November 2008 - 09:46 PM

James Bond has moved on from what was and embrace what he now is. A fifteen second gunbarrel moment does not define a Bond movie for me.

Do not confuse tradition with deadwood. And "tradition" is actually what so many have filtered SOLACE through to detrimental effect. I for one do not embrace a Bond film for what it was but what it can be. And when creatives and skilled film makers up the ante I am not disingenuous enough to dictate it is poor when what is happening is that I actually don't get it.

A 15-second gunbarrel moment does not define a Bond movie for me either, but it is one of the things that I did not like, or thought worked, about Quantum Of Solace.

I have no problem admitting that I am a traditionalist nor that the new direction has shaken things up--and judging by Casino Royale that was a good thing. However, some things are traditional for a reason, and just because they are traditional does not mean that they are bad or wrong or in need of changing. Change for change sake is not a good motto to live by. After all, Bond hasn't lasted for 46 years because their traditional elements are unsuccessful (granted, sometimes they could have been done better). Rather, they are successful and need not be removed to the extent that they are in QOS. Some things should remain in every Bond film such as the gunbarrel opening the new Bond film, 007 saying his line "Bond, James Bond" ONCE somewhere in the film, and his suave, ultra-cool womanizing attitude to name three.

By the way, I got what happened in Quantum Of Solace plot-wise. What I didn't get, along with many others, was the extreme close-ups, shaky-cam, super-quick edits of the action sequences that made it extremely difficult, if not impossible, to fully take in what exactly was happening on screen, and, as such, I don't see how that can be considered good/successful film-making or editing (and yes I was paying attention). Another thing I didn't get was the supposed comedy of the Elvis character, who I don't find funny at all.

Anyway as I said before, I liked QOS overall but find that it has a number of flaws and is far from my favorite Bond film (number 16, actually). :(

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Posted 24 November 2008 - 09:48 PM

After the screen turned black, me and some people shouted :"The film isn't over yet!" and no one left. After the gunbarrel, audience applauded for approximately 2 minutes and almost all stayed after the credits. Everyone loved the film.



Yeah sure they did and I don´t believe you.

#49 Quincy

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Posted 24 November 2008 - 09:50 PM

Having the gun-barrel at the end signifies the Bond has come into his own and is now the secret agent we know and love, ready to start other missions and let go of Vesper.

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Posted 24 November 2008 - 09:51 PM

After the screen turned black, me and some people shouted :"The film isn't over yet!" and no one left. After the gunbarrel, audience applauded for approximately 2 minutes and almost all stayed after the credits. Everyone loved the film.

Yeah sure they did and I don´t believe you.

Which makes you one of the better conversationalists on these boards.

#51 Royal Dalton

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Posted 24 November 2008 - 11:06 PM

Gunbarrel? Bazookabarrel more like it. It's huge!

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Posted 24 November 2008 - 11:20 PM

After the screen turned black, me and some people shouted :"The film isn't over yet!" and no one left. After the gunbarrel, audience applauded for approximately 2 minutes and almost all stayed after the credits. Everyone loved the film.



Yeah sure they did and I don´t believe you.


Very mature.

#53 DamnCoffee

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Posted 24 November 2008 - 11:28 PM

After the screen turned black, me and some people shouted :"The film isn't over yet!" and no one left. After the gunbarrel, audience applauded for approximately 2 minutes and almost all stayed after the credits. Everyone loved the film.



Yeah sure they did and I don´t believe you.



Different audience. Different reactions. Understand that? :(

#54 Mister E

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Posted 24 November 2008 - 11:32 PM

Yeah sure they did and I don´t believe you.



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Posted 25 November 2008 - 12:03 AM

I have no problem admitting that I am a traditionalist nor that the new direction has shaken things up--and judging by Casino Royale that was a good thing. However, some things are traditional for a reason, and just because they are traditional does not mean that they are bad or wrong or in need of changing. Change for change sake is not a good motto to live by. After all, Bond hasn't lasted for 46 years because their traditional elements are unsuccessful (granted, sometimes they could have been done better). Rather, they are successful and need not be removed to the extent that they are in QOS. Some things should remain in every Bond film such as the gunbarrel opening the new Bond film, 007 saying his line "Bond, James Bond" ONCE somewhere in the film, and his suave, ultra-cool womanizing attitude to name three.

Well said. The gunbarrel is one of those things that should be in every movie & be at the beginning of it. I can live with the Casino Royale gunbarrel given it was a reboot. Actually, that gunbarrel worked well for that movie.

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Posted 25 November 2008 - 01:21 AM

Gunbarrel? Bazookabarrel more like it. It's huge!

So true. You almost don't even see the rifling.

#57 Judo chop

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Posted 25 November 2008 - 01:31 AM

Yeah sure they did and I don´t believe you.

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rather enjoyed that...

#58 Mister E

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Posted 25 November 2008 - 02:25 AM

Yeah sure they did and I don´t believe you.

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rather enjoyed that...


Thanks. :(

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Posted 25 November 2008 - 05:02 AM

After the screen turned black, me and some people shouted :"The film isn't over yet!" and no one left. After the gunbarrel, audience applauded for approximately 2 minutes and almost all stayed after the credits. Everyone loved the film.



Yeah sure they did and I don´t believe you.


Don't you ever wonder why no one likes you?

#60 Zorin Industries

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Posted 25 November 2008 - 10:11 AM

James Bond has moved on from what was and embrace what he now is. A fifteen second gunbarrel moment does not define a Bond movie for me.

Do not confuse tradition with deadwood. And "tradition" is actually what so many have filtered SOLACE through to detrimental effect. I for one do not embrace a Bond film for what it was but what it can be. And when creatives and skilled film makers up the ante I am not disingenuous enough to dictate it is poor when what is happening is that I actually don't get it.

A 15-second gunbarrel moment does not define a Bond movie for me either, but it is one of the things that I did not like, or thought worked, about Quantum Of Solace.

I have no problem admitting that I am a traditionalist nor that the new direction has shaken things up--and judging by Casino Royale that was a good thing. However, some things are traditional for a reason, and just because they are traditional does not mean that they are bad or wrong or in need of changing. Change for change sake is not a good motto to live by. After all, Bond hasn't lasted for 46 years because their traditional elements are unsuccessful (granted, sometimes they could have been done better). Rather, they are successful and need not be removed to the extent that they are in QOS. Some things should remain in every Bond film such as the gunbarrel opening the new Bond film, 007 saying his line "Bond, James Bond" ONCE somewhere in the film, and his suave, ultra-cool womanizing attitude to name three.


Why ? We know who the character is. And most of the people Bond meets know who he is. There are greater "traditions" in a Bond film that should and have been kept (the plot, the character allocation, the oppulence, the confidence, the money on the screen and the packaging of a title tune and lush score).


By the way, I got what happened in Quantum Of Solace plot-wise. What I didn't get, along with many others, was the extreme close-ups, shaky-cam, super-quick edits of the action sequences that made it extremely difficult, if not impossible, to fully take in what exactly was happening on screen, and, as such, I don't see how that can be considered good/successful film-making or editing (and yes I was paying attention).

Sorry - but it was superior film making and a braver creative housestyle than Bond has ever experienced. DR NO and GOLDFINGER wrote the book on revolutionising mainstream action cinema. If you want "traditions", all that QUANTUM OF SOLACE has done is take that particular tradition - which has until ROYALE left the series a tad creatively dormant - and crafted a fine, panther like film.

Another thing I didn't get was the supposed comedy of the Elvis character, who I don't find funny at all.

Who said you had to? People online before you saw the film?

Anyway as I said before, I liked QOS overall but find that it has a number of flaws and is far from my favorite Bond film (number 16, actually). :(