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[Vauxhall]

Fantastic news. Doesn't necessarily kick out the idea of a three-year gap of course, but it's certainly a positive step.

[Ellis Quarterman]

I Hope Olga does come back as Cammile, would be a first and hopefully a first. It would be good to see Bond meet up with a BondGirl again

[Vauxhall]

I Hope Olga does come back as Cammile, would be a first and hopefully a first. It would be good to see Bond meet up with a BondGirl again

They should only do it if it's not too contrived. I see a real danger of it ending up corny if they're not careful.

[TheHildebrandRarity]

It depends on the part and how it could be executed in Bond 23. I haven't anything against Camille making a return, although I was hoping that the Gala Brand character would be used, but I guess that can wait.

If the next installment is 'THE PROPERTY OF A LADY', maybe that could tie in with Camille?

It's fair to say that Pervis&Wade are history, Casino Royale's success was due to Paul Haggis, even Quantum Of Solace had its script rewritten dozens of times, making Pervis&Wade redundent.

There are plenty of great writers out there. I just hope they can come up with something original and try and make a masterpiece.

[Quantumofsolace007]

the news on camilie is interesting especially if The Property of a lady is indeed bond 23's title.

though wether Camilie return or doesn't Gala Brand could certanitly be in bond 23.

Edited by Quantumofsolace007, 30 October 2008 - 08:40 PM.

[doubler83]

Looking forward to tomorrow, and now looking forward to the beginning of next year for when the rumours start up.

[Royal Dalton]

It's fair to say that Pervis&Wade are history.

I wouldn't bet on it.

[Quantumofsolace007]

Interesting.


The only reason I'd want provis and wade is they have tried to get some of fleming's character from short stories and novel to film for the first time for example Solange from 007 in new york wound up in Casino Royale Fidel Barbery nearly made it in as well.

however if a new set of writers cam aboard and actually created great scripts as well as took from fleming what hasn't been done beofre i'd be happy.

[Ellis Quarterman]

What they really need to do is Make 23 like a Modern Dalton story. Dalton is almost a mix between Craig and Connery, Theres the Grittiness to him and at the same time the BOND style, This "Bond Style", has been absent from CR and probably QOS too, So I think they need to make something that happens After DAD and not after QOS and make it Craig style mixed With Bond style which is ( in my mind ) Dalton's Bond.

[Captain Tightpants]

No, the should make it a Craig story. They shouldn't start trying to imitate the other Bond actors, they should go for something original.

[col_007]

I image that once Craig leaves they will hire a tall, dark and handsome actor and say they are "going back the the image of 007 that Ian Fleming originally described in the books."

says who that thing about him having to be certain things seem dead in the water now days

[Quantumofsolace007]

Bond 23 will rock as does quantum of solace i think

[sthgilyadgnivileht]

It's fair to say that Pervis&Wade are history.

I wouldn't bet on it.

No I wouldn't either

[Marquis]

Considering how good QOS is, I'll be more than happy if Purvis, Wade & Haggis are responsible for writing Bond 23.

[tdalton]

It's fair to say that Pervis&Wade are history.

I wouldn't bet on it.

No I wouldn't either

I wouldn't either, but I do hope that EON brings in a brand new staff of writers to finally bring some new ideas to the franchise. I'm not sold at all on what Haggis has done with his scriptwork in the franchise, and I would much rather EON go out and find a good, up and coming screenwriter that they truly believe in (and if it takes several years to find this person, I'd rather wait a while for a quality Bond film than get a mediocre one every two years) and lock him up for a long term contract. I'd also like to see EON do this with the director's chair as well. Go out and find a great, up and coming director, sign him up to a long term contract and let him and the screenwriter set about charting the future of the franchise.

I'm also very much in support of an idea that I've heard somewhere in these forums within the past week, which was bringing Martin Campbell on as a producer. He's responsible for the two strongest Bond films we've had in about 20 years, and I think that he is someone that EON needs to be talking to on a fairly regular basis as to where to take the franchise in the future.

[Peckinpah1976]

How long does pre-production normally take on the Bonds though? If work started on QOS back in 2006, surely we could still be looking at a three year gap between films this time? What with all the talk of returning to summer releases I think a July 2011 release is a real possibility - which could put it in competition with the next Batman movie (not a good idea IMO).

I'm also very much in support of an idea that I've heard somewhere in these forums within the past week, which was bringing Martin Campbell on as a producer. He's responsible for the two strongest Bond films we've had in about 20 years, and I think that he is someone that EON needs to be talking to on a fairly regular basis as to where to take the franchise in the future.

Personally I think Campbell is a perfectly competent yet massively over-rated director (among Bond fans anyway - he's not rated at all elsewhere), who has no real distinct visual style to speak of and is only as good as the script he's working from and the technicians/craft-persons he's got around him. Goldeneye is a truly wretched film IMO and without the nice photography, editing and design work would stand out as the cheapo cash-in TVM Bond it actually is (the writing and the majority of the performances are abysmal). Not that I'm saying Casino Royale was in any way a fluke; it's just that in this instance he'd have been hard pressed to have got it wrong with the cards so heavily stacked in his favour - it's the likes of Paul Haggis, Daniel Craig, Stuart Baird, Phil Meheux and David Arnold who made it work, Campbell's contributions are arbitrary really.

[Quantumofsolace007]

Well considering how good casino Royale is and how good Quantum looks I'd also be fine with the same writers.

[sthgilyadgnivileht]

Whoever said it originally I have no idea, but I for one believe a good film starts with a good script.
I think this is true really of any good film, and certainly all the best Bond films have had, notwithstanding who directed them very strong scripts.
Over the series 40+ years many directors have been involved, but each director's best work has been from a strong script. This is especially true for Hamilton and Glen and perhaps to a lesser extent Young and Gilbert.
Peter Hunt was also helped enormously with the OHMSS script IMO.
I don't mean to subvert the achievements of the Director's at all - in some cases excellent work was done for the series from a sub standard script IMO.
I guess my point is, as mentioned by others in this post, is for EON to get the writing sorted. This means a good adventure story, well constructed and with smart witty dialogue. Don't start shooting until then!

Edited by sthgilyadgnivileht, 31 October 2008 - 04:45 PM.

[TheHildebrandRarity]

Well everything is with the script. I don't know why people want P&W back, there are soooo many good film writers out that, 10 that I could even think of, yet we are stuck with P&W. Thats why most of what p&W wrote for CR and QOS was rewritten because it wasn't good enough when they both handed it in.

If you get a real strong story/script/screenplay then the rest will follow. Without those important cogs, the machine won't run properly.

[Donovan Mayne-Nicholls]

I think Haggis is totally overrated. Also, after two films, there should be a fresh writer going in.

I loved his polish work on Casino Royale. But nobody's irreplaceable I suppose.
Also, it is funny that it is not such a slam dunk that Connery is the best Bond, even around the general public now. I still think he is(but he's not my favourite) and I still think he is going to be, but with a couple more films from Craig, perhaps Sean won't be such an overwhelming God of Bondom. Even when Sean was interviewed recently he himself basically said how good Craig was.

First of all - Connery was the first one. He set the tone. He will always be THE Bond and rightly so.

Concerning Haggis - do you know what he really did? Did you read the Purvis/Wade draft and then the Haggis draft?

I noticed that in early QOS credits, it reads written by NP & RW and PH, whereas in the final poster is PH and NP & RW. It would mean that Haggis' rewrite was substantial to the point of being a new plot (his interviews would seem to confirm this). If so, that would account for the paper thin plot some of the reviewers are complaining about. Whenever they've let a polisher do plot (LALD, MR, TND) we've ended up with a weak script.

[PrinceKamalKhan]

TY for the update

Producer Barbara Broccoli told Heart, “I think she’s a spectacular actress and she’s done an amazing job in this movie. She blew us away. We would certainly love to have her back. If it’s not in the next movie, then certainly in the future.”

I don't like the idea of seeing Camille back...I thought they said they completed the Vesper angle here. What's going on?

Quantum to come back yes; Camille no
IMHO

Seriously, you really think Camille will be back? They say that with every film that comes out! Back in the days Jeroen Krabbe kept saying in interview that the producers wanted to bring back his character. When Michelle Yeoh turned out to be one of the best Bond-girls the series had seen so far, the rumor was that she was going to guest star in the next one. And then Halle Berry's Jinx was going to have her own spin-off.

So Camille back? I wouldn't count on it.

I hope you're right. I've not seen Quantum of Solace yet but even if Camille turned out to be the greatest Bond girl ever, I like the tradition of new girls for each different film. It gives each film its own individual identity.

the news on camilie is interesting especially if The Property of a lady is indeed bond 23's title.

though wether Camilie return or doesn't Gala Brand could certanitly be in bond 23.

While I'd be happy for a faithful to Fleming rendering of the Gala Brand character, I don't know if I'd want it as soon as Bond 23. I'd hate for Craig's Bond to lose all his women either through their deaths or being dumped by them.

Personally I think Campbell is a perfectly competent yet massively over-rated director (among Bond fans anyway - he's not rated at all elsewhere), who has no real distinct visual style to speak of and is only as good as the script he's working from and the technicians/craft-persons he's got around him.

I agree. Campbell's alright but probably the most over-rated of all Bond directors. I love Casino Royale and it's in my top 5 but I found GoldenEye only average.

[SecretAgentFan]

It's fair to say that Pervis&Wade are history, Casino Royale's success was due to Paul Haggis, even Quantum Of Solace had its script rewritten dozens of times, making Pervis&Wade redundent.

It´s neither fair nor accurate. CR´s success is due to various factors, also to Purvis & Wade. They are not redundant. Yet, a fresh writer would be welcome. Haggis has probably done enough with Bond as well.

[DLibrasnow]

I Hope Olga does come back as Cammile, would be a first and hopefully a first. It would be good to see Bond meet up with a BondGirl again

What about Sylvia Trench?

If Barbara Bach had signed on for A View to a Kill it would have happened in the 1985 movie also. Anya Amasova was to have appeared in the movie but when Bach refused, her part was renamed Pola Ivanova and Fiona Fullerton cast in the role.

No disrespect to Fullerton, but Bach is my favorite Bond girl and I would have loved to haave seen her in A View to a Kill.

[Quantumofsolace007]

i wouldn't mind Camilie returning in a small role.

though i do feel Bond will return in 2010. I assume this rules out a summer 2010 release?

Edited by Quantumofsolace007, 01 November 2008 - 07:10 PM.

[MrMoneypenny]

If Barbara Bach had signed on for A View to a Kill it would have happened in the 1985 movie also. Anya Amasova was to have appeared in the movie but when Bach refused, her part was renamed Pola Ivanova and Fiona Fullerton cast in the role.

No disrespect to Fullerton, but Bach is my favorite Bond girl and I would have loved to haave seen her in A View to a Kill.
[/quote]

Wow, really? I had no idea! That would have been sooooo cool! I agree, Barbara Bach is my favorite Bond-girl as well, although, I think it has more to do with the fact that her character, Anya Amasova, was just such a strong one.

[quantumofsolace]

I hope we get a new film in 2 years. QOS was so good i don't want to wait any longer. plus there is that anniversary coming in 4 years which would guarantee publicity. So, a film in 2010 and a film in2012 and then a 3 year break as they search for a new actor

[Quantumofsolace007]

i hope Craig does 5-7 bond films

[Kristian]

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So Camille back? I wouldn't count on it.
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Actually, Michelle Yeoh was thisclose to being in DAD. She was supposed to take the role of the Concierge in the Hotel (although not necessarily a concierge). I've even heard of early drafts with her in it. They even storyboarded the action scene that she and Bond were supposed to do. But Michelle declined. Also, Barbara Bach was to have had a cameo in in AVTAK as mentioned before....

It all depends on Olga. In both previous cases, the invited declined. What if Olga were to accept? She already said in interviews that she would love to come back and work with DC and crew....

So Camille possibly coming back? Thanks, but I'll count on it.

[Quantumofsolace007]

Kristain i was wondering when u'd show up I figured u were jump up and down considering Camille might come back.


Camillie Reeturning would be cool i think Let me see Quantum of solace and i'll let you all know

[terminus]

Actually, Michelle Yeoh was thisclose to being in DAD. She was supposed to take the role of the Concierge in the Hotel (although not necessarily a concierge). I've even heard of early drafts with her in it. They even storyboarded the action scene that she and Bond were supposed to do. But Michelle declined. Also, Barbara Bach was to have had a cameo in in AVTAK as mentioned before....

If you watch the DAD extras carefully, you can read the pages of the version of the script with her in it.