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[Ace217]

There were too many revenge plots in the past I think they should leave it for now.

[tdalton]

I could see room for one more revenge story in an upcoming film. How about QUANTUM looking for revenge against Bond, which would make sense since he's undoubtedly cost them quite a large sum of money as well as the fact that he's led them to eliminate two of their associates, which they certainly can't be too happy about.

[Colonel Moon]

i don want Quantum i dont want revenge

lets back to classic, briefing with M then Bond goes on a mission

[Mr_Wint]

I could see room for one more revenge story in an upcoming film. How about QUANTUM looking for revenge against Bond, which would make sense since he's undoubtedly cost them quite a large sum of money as well as the fact that he's led them to eliminate two of their associates, which they certainly can't be too happy about.

You mean villains that are trying to kill Bond? How original!

No seriously, I think it could be a good idea. Let QUANTUM lure Bond into some sort of trap leading to some kind of painful and humuiliating death. At least it is better than renegade-Bond again. This also gives them a chance to show what this organisation is supposed to be (it's obvious that the filmmaker didn't have a clue about that in the last film).

It seems like they can't make a Bondfilm without a personal motivation for Bond. Sad, but it's not really a problem. The main problem is that the constant banter between Bond and Dench-M has been completely exhausted.

[sharpshooter]

Let QUANTUM lure Bond into some sort of trap leading to some kind of painful and humuiliating death.

Sounds very similar to From Russia With Love.

[Mr_Wint]

Let QUANTUM lure Bond into some sort of trap leading to some kind of painful and humuiliating death.

Sounds very similar to From Russia With Love.

It must be safer to re-use ideas that are 48 years old.

[JimmyBond]

i don want Quantum i dont want revenge

lets back to classic, briefing with M then Bond goes on a mission

That's all well and good, but why can't Quantum be involved in a classic Bond film?

[Martini]

I would say that revenge is essential for the character of Bond. The final lines of Casino Royale are an oath of vengeance which define Bonds motivation for all following novels, especially his encounters with Smersh. That´s why I don´t like Craigs opinion of QOS being a closure, from which they could go anywhere. Flemings Bond didn´t find that closure, and that was pushing him on, and made his adventures fascinating.

I don't see any "oath of vengeance" in the last chapter of Casino Royale. Attacking "the arm that held the whip and the gun. The business of espionage could be left to the white-collar boys. They could spy, and catch the spies. He would go after the threat behind the spies, the threat that made them spy"; was just Bond finding a better approach for his job, just that.

Revenge or vengeance may be too dramatic words for his feelings, though I think they´re not completely wrong. Especially since he wants to chase Smersh to death. But the point was that Fleming didn´t put all these feelings into one subsequent novel with Bond finding solace in the end. I wouldn´t like if they quit Quantum now and create an all new villain and menace. When you build a violin you should play it.

[Colonel Moon]

i don want Quantum i dont want revenge

lets back to classic, briefing with M then Bond goes on a mission

That's all well and good, but why can't Quantum be involved in a classic Bond film?

I dont like what they do with M and Bond relations.
Why they had to put part when M blocks all Bond's passports. its getting tired, why she just cant say "i trust you, do your job" like later in the movie. She knew it wont stop Bond. It was the same in CR

[jaguar007]

I agree that it is time to move on from the "reveng/it's personal" angle and Craig has hinted in the press that that arc is done. On the flip side I don't want them to go back to just doing generic by the number Bond films either. There needs to be some character depth in Bond for the next film, Craig is far too good of an actor to hand him an AVTAK or DAD type script. Perhaps they could explore a bit more about Bond's killing being objective and professional, but how he personally really dislikes it.

[JimmyBond]

i don want Quantum i dont want revenge

lets back to classic, briefing with M then Bond goes on a mission

That's all well and good, but why can't Quantum be involved in a classic Bond film?

I dont like what they do with M and Bond relations.
Why they had to put part when M blocks all Bond's passports. its getting tired, why she just cant say "i trust you, do your job" like later in the movie. She knew it wont stop Bond. It was the same in CR

You dodged my question and answered something I didnt even ask. So I'll ask again, why can't Quantum be involved in a classic Bond film?

[DamnCoffee]

Personally, I think QUANTUM is a new classic. It's lovely for Bond to be up against something that we know of. I could totally see QUANTUM seeking revenge, and I wouldn't think that they would be open about either. Imagine what they could do to Bond's mind, psycologically, if he knew he was been stalked or something.

[tdalton]

Personally, I think QUANTUM is a new classic. It's lovely for Bond to be up against something that we know of. I could totally see QUANTUM seeking revenge, and I wouldn't think that they would be open about either. Imagine what they could do to Bond's mind, psycologically, if he knew he was been stalked or something.

I think that going in that direction would be a great reversal from what we've seen in the past two films. In both Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace, we've seen a relatively unknown commodity in James Bond run into what appears to be a very vast and very powerful organization that, until Bond arrived, had been very content to lay low and not let themselves be noticed. Now, Bond has changed that. QUANTUM is on MI6's radar, and one would have to assume by virtue of that, they're also on the CIA's as well, and most likely on many other intelligence agency radars as well. Now QUANTUM is more out in the open, and it would be time for them to flex their muscles and strike back. Bond is the one that drew them out into the open, so its only natural that they would go after him.

In the last two films, we've seen Bond, literally, chasing after QUANTUM interests (Mollaka, Dimetrios, Mitchell, Greene, Medrano). How about this time, we have a chase sequence, but it's Bond on the run, desperately trying to escape the clutches of the QUANTUM agents who are pursuing him. Where this could be a very interesting concept is in that QUANTUM has people everywhere. They could announce at the very beginning of the film, in the style of EON's TMWTGG, that they have put a price on 007's head, and that eventually someone will catch up to him. Given that, in reality, anyone could be a QUANTUM agent would lend the traditional "villains hunt for Bond" idea into something much more interesting and terrifying. They could really, as you said in your post, play with Bond's emotional state with this type of set up, especially considering that Bond never would really know just how close he was to being taken down by QUANTUM.

[Double-Oh Agent]

In other words, John Gardner's Nobody Lives Forever.

I loved the book. It's probably my favorite Bond novel actually, so I like that idea.

[00Twelve]

This also gives them a chance to show what this organisation is supposed to be (it's obvious that the filmmaker didn't have a clue about that in the last film).

Perhaps he should have asked you?

[JimmyBond]

This also gives them a chance to show what this organisation is supposed to be (it's obvious that the filmmaker didn't have a clue about that in the last film).

And why do you say that? I thought they had a pretty good clue about what the organisation was.

[tdalton]

This also gives them a chance to show what this organisation is supposed to be (it's obvious that the filmmaker didn't have a clue about that in the last film).

And why do you say that? I thought they had a pretty good clue about what the organisation was.

I thought that we've got a pretty good idea as to what the organization is as well, and it's a far more terrifying organization than SPECTRE could have ever hoped to be. The SPECTRE organization always was, at its very core, a fairly ridiculous organization, in that it was an outlandishly unrealistic organization, which limited its effectiveness to a degree. QUANTUM, on the other hand, is an organization that, while still unlikely, could feasibly exist, and their plots, thus far, are far more possible and, frankly, more troubling. The fact that they're willing to, at the very least, work with terrorist bankers and have the capacity to seize an entire nation's water supply is much more frightening than anything SPECTRE tried to do, perhaps aside from their plot in THUNDERBALL.

[Quantumofsolace007]

Personally, I think QUANTUM is a new classic. It's lovely for Bond to be up against something that we know of. I could totally see QUANTUM seeking revenge, and I wouldn't think that they would be open about either. Imagine what they could do to Bond's mind, psycologically, if he knew he was been stalked or something.

I think that going in that direction would be a great reversal from what we've seen in the past two films. In both Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace, we've seen a relatively unknown commodity in James Bond run into what appears to be a very vast and very powerful organization that, until Bond arrived, had been very content to lay low and not let themselves be noticed. Now, Bond has changed that. QUANTUM is on MI6's radar, and one would have to assume by virtue of that, they're also on the CIA's as well, and most likely on many other intelligence agency radars as well. Now QUANTUM is more out in the open, and it would be time for them to flex their muscles and strike back. Bond is the one that drew them out into the open, so its only natural that they would go after him.

In the last two films, we've seen Bond, literally, chasing after QUANTUM interests (Mollaka, Dimetrios, Mitchell, Greene, Medrano). How about this time, we have a chase sequence, but it's Bond on the run, desperately trying to escape the clutches of the QUANTUM agents who are pursuing him. Where this could be a very interesting concept is in that QUANTUM has people everywhere. They could announce at the very beginning of the film, in the style of EON's TMWTGG, that they have put a price on 007's head, and that eventually someone will catch up to him. Given that, in reality, anyone could be a QUANTUM agent would lend the traditional "villains hunt for Bond" idea into something much more interesting and terrifying. They could really, as you said in your post, play with Bond's emotional state with this type of set up, especially considering that Bond never would really know just how close he was to being taken down by QUANTUM.

I love your plot and for some reason to me It sounds like the plot for a film titled The Hildebrand Rarity.

I suppose Risico could work in the context as well.

[Eddie Burns]

This also gives them a chance to show what this organisation is supposed to be (it's obvious that the filmmaker didn't have a clue about that in the last film).

And why do you say that? I thought they had a pretty good clue about what the organisation was.

I thought that we've got a pretty good idea as to what the organization is as well, and it's a far more terrifying organization than SPECTRE could have ever hoped to be. The SPECTRE organization always was, at its very core, a fairly ridiculous organization, in that it was an outlandishly unrealistic organization, which limited its effectiveness to a degree. QUANTUM, on the other hand, is an organization that, while still unlikely, could feasibly exist, and their plots, thus far, are far more possible and, frankly, more troubling. The fact that they're willing to, at the very least, work with terrorist bankers and have the capacity to seize an entire nation's water supply is much more frightening than anything SPECTRE tried to do, perhaps aside from their plot in THUNDERBALL.

Erm....stop bumming QoS.

Spectre was a wonderful creation and is the mother of all evil organisations that you've seen in films since they came to light. Quantum is a modern day spin on Spectre, that will eventually go on and resemble the Spectre of old (Eon aren't really any more creative than that). And owning the water supply in some 3rd world country is more threatening than starting WWIII or being in possession of atomic bombs? C'mon. Yes they have people everywhere and that is eerie, but very unrealistic. Both Quantum and Spectre are just as ridiculous as one another.

Spectre were awesome in TB, FRWL and were given an amazing introduction by Dr. No. What we effectively know about Quantum isn't any more than what the producers know at this point. They just set up the organisation to be flexible...they really didn't want to commit on an idea about them on-screen. Plus i'm sure the organisation was underwritten, so they really couldn't do much with them anyway.

Or we could wait and see how Greengrass creates a mysterious organisation in his next Bourne instalment and take it from there......