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[Pierce - Daniel]

Do not read further if you don't want to read anymore, I don't want people complaining.



Mathis is till working for Quantum, Bond pays for his murder. He throws his body in the dumpster and steals his wallet, before Mathis could sell his story. Bond tells Camille he payed everything he had to have Mathis killed.

This came from a page in the script in the new Bond on set book. Straight after the death Bond and Camille drive to the desert and go on a plane, there is no explanation why, but Bond is convinced they will 'all' come after him

[Righty007]

Why would Bond pay to have someone murdered when he has a licence to kill?

[Agent 76]

Why would Bond pay to have someone murdered when he has a licence to kill?

exactly..

[baerrtt]

Why would Bond pay to have someone murdered when he has a licence to kill?

exactly..

It does sound unusual (indeed Bond getting somebody else to kill someone for him, unless I'm mistaken, hasn't been done before) and, incidentally as I've got a copy of the book today I'll need to look that up.

[CaptainPower]

Isn't there a rumour Bond has his licence revoked? That would obviously fit in with this. Although with the emotional state Bond is in, would that fact really matter? Oh well. Roll on Oct 31st!

[Vauxhall]

Very interesting indeed. Would someone be allowed to post a scan of the relevant portion of the book for us? I assume that EON can't have a problem with this if it's out in the public domain.

[Royal Dalton]

Probably just Bond throwing up a smokescreen.

[David Schofield]

Why would Bond pay to have someone murdered when he has a licence to kill?

exactly..

It does sound unusual (indeed Bond getting somebody else to kill someone for him, unless I'm mistaken, hasn't been done before) and, incidentally as I've got a copy of the book today I'll need to look that up.

Hey, maybe he employs Eric Sykes to do it for him, like Rod Taylor did as Boysie Oakes in the film of JOHN GARDNER'S "The Liquidator".

And if he uses all his money, once he's resigned what's he gonna use to buy those nice Tom Ford suits, numerous watches and first class travel, for heaven's sake?

[DamnCoffee]

WOW! So Mathis was the traitor all along! What a shame... I seemed to have warmed to him greatly.

[Marketto007]

Why would Bond pay to have someone murdered when he has a licence to kill?

xxx

[bondrules]

The dumpster part is great....

[DamnCoffee]

I wonder what's in Mathis' wallet.

[bondrules]

If you pay for a hit, and Mi6 finds out, is Bond still accountable if his LTK is currently revoked? I would think that is the same as shooting the guy himself

[Righty007]

Isn't there a rumour Bond has his licence revoked? That would obviously fit in with this. Although with the emotional state Bond is in, would that fact really matter? Oh well. Roll on Oct 31st!

Bond's licence being revoked wouldn't stop him from killing somebody. See: Licence to Kill

[Harmsway]

Do not read further if you don't want to read anymore, I don't want people complaining.



Mathis is till working for Quantum, Bond pays for his murder. He throws his body in the dumpster and steals his wallet, before Mathis could sell his story. Bond tells Camille he payed everything he had to have Mathis killed.

This came from a page in the script in the new Bond on set book. Straight after the death Bond and Camille drive to the desert and go on a plane, there is no explanation why, but Bond is convinced they will 'all' come after him

Nice. Great work, Pierce-Daniel. This puts a final nail in the coffin of that IMDb review.

[Mr. Blofeld]

This sounds really unlikely; Bond paying to have Mathis killed when he visits him at home? Seriously, I'm doubting this, but you can bet your life that, if this is right come the 31st, I'll gladly eat some humble pie...

[Quantumofsolace007]

What does Bond on set say about the ending?

[Harmsway]

This sounds really unlikely; Bond paying to have Mathis killed when he visits him at home?

Umm, Bond pays to have Mathis killed later in the film. Bond clearly believes he can trust Mathis initially, gets him to come on board with him, only to find out later on that Mathis really was a traitor all along. Convoluted, but not nonsensical.

Seriously, I'm doubting this, but you can bet your life that, if this is right come the 31st, I'll gladly eat some humble pie...

It's in BOND ON SET, though. We have no reason to doubt it's authenticity. In fact, it's more viable than a lot of the sources for information we've been handed about the film.

[SolidWaffle]

I know it's said to be from the Bond on Set book, but... it reeks of BS... no scans or pics. Not to mention the fact that it's very un-Bondian.

[Harmsway]

I know it's said to be from the Bond on Set book, but... it reeks of BS... no scans or pics. Not to mention the fact that it's very un-Bondian.

It's not that un-Bondian, and does seem like something very in keeping with Craig's Bond as established in CASINO ROYALE.

If it was some unknown guy, I'd be a bit more skeptical. Pierce-Daniel's a good fellow. He wouldn't make it up.

[DamnCoffee]

I know it's said to be from the Bond on Set book, but... it reeks of BS... no scans or pics. Not to mention the fact that it's very un-Bondian.

What on earth do you mean, 'no pics'... If you head over to the Quantum Photo Bin, there is a picture of Bond dumping Mathis in a dumpster. AND I agree with the post above, Pierce-Daniel is a good chap.

[Bueno]

Not to be rude but, yes, this is in Bond on Set but Pierce-Daniel has TOTALLY miscontrued the page of script we glimpse.

Honestly, Pierce-Daniel's mistakes are understandable as the page is absolutely tiny, blurred and scribbled on and I had real trouble reading it myself. But nothing in that page indicates that Bond had Mathis killed and the exchange regarding money is from later on and is in reference to Bond bribing the owners of the DC3 plane. He gives the plane owners all the money he and Camille have with them to take the plane.

I'll do my best to transcribe what I could read on the page. The script page in Bond on Set covers two different scenes:

Top half of the page / First Scene:
This part is obviously just after Mathis is shot. Camille tells Bond they should hide the body in a dumpster. Bond deposits him in the dumpster but also leans over to take his wallet and the money inside. What's even more interesting is that Bond touches Mathis gently after he does this (according to the script directions) which Camille cannot see as she is standing a distance behind him. Bond also says something at this point which I can't read but I think it says something like he (Mathis) wouldn't have wanted them to get caught. Bond wipes the blood off his shirt and hands and goes back to the car.

The script directions have Camille staring after Bond and at the blood after he takes the money from Mathis' dead body. She is obviously pretty shocked; the direct quote from the script directions is that this is: "cold even by her standards". I thought this was interesting as Camille obviously thinks after this that Bond is a stone-cold bastard having not seen the tenderness with which he handled Mathis

Second half of the page/ Second Scene:
Stage directions have Bond driving the car in a barren area / outskirts of the city with Camille asleep in the passenger seat. Bond stops the car and gets out. The car door wakes Camille who gets out and sees Bond arguing / haggling with the plane owner. She walks over as Bond obviously now has ownership of the plane. He helps her in and Camille asks "How much did you give them?" to which Bond replies "everything we had"and goes on to say which he will no doubt double when he... (I can't read this part due to the page quality) but I assume Bond says something like when he turns us in, betrays us or something similar.

ETA because I made some big mistakes (see post on pg 2):
- Camille doesn't suggest the dumpster (on this particular page, anyway). She actually says"We should take him to a hospital or morgue" before Bond takes him to the dumpster.
(I think this will particularly please Harmsway as it does throw doubt on the IMDB review )

- I think I overstated the "gentleness" with which Bond handles Mathis's body after seeing some of the other posters comments. The script direction just says that he gently puts the body in the dumpster, I'm guessing as opposed to dumping it like rubbish. But nothing about closing Mathis' eyes or anything.

- Bond wipes the blood off his hands, but ignores the blood on his shirt.

- It's a caretaker not the plane owner who Bond bribes for the DC-3.

- I think that last line is "Everyhing we had. Which he will double when he sells us out"

Edited by Bueno, 09 October 2008 - 08:16 PM.

[Harmsway]

Ah, Bueno. Thanks for clearing that up.

[Mr. Blofeld]

So, an Ian Fleming original gets dumped into the trash; very interesting...

[DamnCoffee]

Sounds very interesting. It would be brilliant if Bond closed Mathis' eyes.

[bondrules]

Sounds very interesting. It would be brilliant if Bond closed Mathis' eyes.

and gave him a goodbye kiss on the forehead

Edited by bondrules, 08 October 2008 - 08:57 PM.

[ForMathis]

Not to be rude but, yes, this is in Bond on Set but Pierce-Daniel has TOTALLY miscontrued the page of script we glimpse.

Honestly, Pierce-Daniel's mistakes are understandable as the page is absolutely tiny, blurred and scribbled on and I had real trouble reading it myself. But nothing in that page indicates that Bond had Mathis killed and the exchange regarding money is from later on and is in reference to Bond bribing the owners of the DC3 plane. He gives the plane owners all the money he and Camille have with them to take the plane.

I'll do my best to transcribe what I could read on the page. The script page in Bond on Set covers two different scenes:

Top half of the page / First Scene:
This part is obviously just after Mathis is shot. Camille tells Bond they should hide the body in a dumpster. Bond deposits him in the dumpster but also leans over to take his wallet and the money inside. What's even more interesting is that Bond touches Mathis gently after he does this (according to the script directions) which Camille cannot see as she is standing a distance behind him. Bond also says something at this point which I can't read but I think it says something like he (Mathis) wouldn't have wanted them to get caught. Bond wipes the blood off his shirt and hands and goes back to the car.

The script directions have Camille staring after Bond and at the blood after he takes the money from Mathis' dead body. She is obviously pretty shocked; the direct quote from the script directions is that this is: "cold even by her standards". I thought this was interesting as Camille obviously thinks after this that Bond is a stone-cold bastard having not seen the tenderness with which he handled Mathis

Second half of the page/ Second Scene:
Stage directions have Bond driving the car in a barren area / outskirts of the city with Camille asleep in the passenger seat. Bond stops the car and gets out. The car door wakes Camille who gets out and sees Bond arguing / haggling with the plane owner. She walks over as Bond obviously now has ownership of the plane. He helps her in and Camille asks "How much did you give them?" to which Bond replies "everything we had"and goes on to say which he will no doubt double when he... (I can't read this part due to the page quality) but I assume Bond says something like when he turns us in, betrays us or something similar.

This new info goes hand-in-hand with the imdb review.

[Quantumofsolace007]

good god everytime i see someone prove IMDB false somebody else proves it correct I guess i won't get a quantum of Solace till i see Quantum of solace

[DamnCoffee]

LMAO! I can see what you mean. God, I love CBn.

[Blonde Bond]

Yes, it all sounded a bit dubious. I've come to accept that an original Fleming character gets killed in the 2nd ever movie that he's been used in. But to have Bond buying a contract kill on Mathis?!

Thanks for clearing this for us, Bueno.

Muchas gracias!