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[Righty007]

Just listened to it (although I think the version I listened to isn't the full track) and what I heard is good. The people who hated "You Know My Name" are going to really hate this one, I think.

[Bryce (003)]

i found this on youtube. it isn't official but it lets u imagin what it might be like using the beat in the trailer.

It's okay. I still think this is going to be a rather mediocre song.

The video is very cool with the music though.

Getting excited!

[marktmurphy]

You are out of your depth! This is fabricated, fanboy nonsense taken to a monstrously deluded level.

Don't get abusive.

Like I said, DD were HUUUUGE in 85, they dominated the biggest live event of the year (decade even),

After they did Bond! You can't say that Jack White isn't big enough to do this before he's done it and then say that DD were because of something they did after Bond! Does that not strike you as a nonsensical comparison? Perhaps Alicia Keyes will be the most impressive Bond song singer ever when she gets voted Queen of Mars next year! Getting my point yet?

the year before they had a HUGE hit album (White's efforts pale in terms of record sales and popularity)

Yes; they were a pop band- that's how pop works; it gets bigger sales. Did they get as many awards? Did Icky Thump get massive sales too? Yeah, all of the above. Both were/are extremely successful; I'm taking issue with your ridiculous statement that Jack White isn't current. It's nonsense.

and if you are seriously going to call White's side projects like Raconteurs (or whatever they are called)

If you really haven't heard of the Raconteurs then I can't quite believe that you'd call anyone else 'out of their depth' in matters of popular music. I suspect that you're actually just being petulant and childish, however. I'm not sure which is worse.

"unconventional means" then you cannot ignore the POWER STATION and ARCADIA projects (which were just DD albums dressed up in new paint- they even had their same producers on both- why do you think Bernard Edwards oversaw AVTAK)?

Oh no; you actually don't know. I was talking about the way in which Consolers of the Lonely was released. That's what 'means' er, means. Look it up if you didn't follow the story.

"DD were very 1982"??!!

Yup; it's just as idiotic as saying that Jack White is '2003'. Sheer nonsense, isn't it?

I really do find it incredible how far internet fandom will go to rewrite history, in order to prove their point when they are blinded beyond belief by the latest bandwagon. Next you'll be telling me that Chris Cornell was the only Beatle to have had a Bond hit.

See your own posts above, fella. White is a big star; perhaps not quite in the same pop, new romantic vein that you're obviously still enjoying twenty five years after the event, but trust those of us who do have a passing knowledge of today's music: he's pretty good and very well established. He hasn't had to reform one of his bands yet as they haven't got stale and sick of each other enough to split up.

[tim partridge]

You are out of your depth! This is fabricated, fanboy nonsense taken to a monstrously deluded level.

Don't get abusive.

Like I said, DD were HUUUUGE in 85, they dominated the biggest live event of the year (decade even),

After they did Bond! You can't say that Jack White isn't big enough to do this before he's done it and then say that DD were because of something they did after Bond! Does that not strike you as a nonsensical comparison? Perhaps Alicia Keyes will be the most impressive Bond song singer ever when she gets voted Queen of Mars next year! Getting my point yet?

the year before they had a HUGE hit album (White's efforts pale in terms of record sales and popularity)

Yes; they were a pop band- that's how pop works; it gets bigger sales. Did they get as many awards? Did Icky Thump get massive sales too? Yeah, all of the above. Both were/are extremely successful; I'm taking issue with your ridiculous statement that Jack White isn't current. It's nonsense.

and if you are seriously going to call White's side projects like Raconteurs (or whatever they are called)

If you really haven't heard of the Raconteurs then I can't quite believe that you'd call anyone else 'out of their depth' in matters of popular music. I suspect that you're actually just being petulant and childish, however. I'm not sure which is worse.

"unconventional means" then you cannot ignore the POWER STATION and ARCADIA projects (which were just DD albums dressed up in new paint- they even had their same producers on both- why do you think Bernard Edwards oversaw AVTAK)?

Oh no; you actually don't know. I was talking about the way in which Consolers of the Lonely was released. That's what 'means' er, means. Look it up if you didn't follow the story.

"DD were very 1982"??!!

Yup; it's just as idiotic as saying that Jack White is '2003'. Sheer nonsense, isn't it?

I really do find it incredible how far internet fandom will go to rewrite history, in order to prove their point when they are blinded beyond belief by the latest bandwagon. Next you'll be telling me that Chris Cornell was the only Beatle to have had a Bond hit.

See your own posts above, fella. White is a big star; perhaps not quite in the same pop, new romantic vein that you're obviously still enjoying twenty five years after the event, but trust those of us who do have a passing knowledge of today's music: he's pretty good and very well established. He hasn't had to reform one of his bands yet as they haven't got stale and sick of each other enough to split up.

Nah, Jack White isn't to 2008 what DD were to 1985 (or even 1982, indeed). DD were enormous and decade defining long before even AVTAK (although that hit obviously got them the US number one spot), which is something White pre-QOS is not. That sound White did with White Stripes has come and gone through the highly fashion orientated world of pop. Don't get me wrong, I am sure Mr. White is wonderful at what he does and he's obviously very very accomplished, but I haven't heard that rock sound of his in the mainstream charts for years. That very distinct, stripped down rock sound is also very much at odds with what a Bond song does, which is fine in principle (if that sound was representative of pop today) , but I can't imagine it will do much for Alicia Keyes presence. More or less the same as when Cornell's YKMN came out and it sounded rather out of touch with the masses (which it was). Now Ms. Keyes stuff, that's another thing altogether...

As for this argument about pop and Bond, well, when were Bond songs not principally pop in yesteryear? Who are they trying to target? The broadest audience (who are going to watch the movies) or the few out there who buy every issue of NME? Bond songs of the past, good or bad, have always been about mainstream radio chart pop performers, and not so much niche genres like more heavier geared rock (again, not to be little the artistry of the likes of White). It's not like the same audience for Bond is going to be the SPIDERMAN crowd of 2002 or whoever that bought Chad Kroeger's HERO (which I really felt they were trying to replicate the success of with YKMN, when hearing the song for the first time in 2006).

Anyway, we can be civil on this. However, I do think this decidedly all "rock" approach for the Craig era, plus the choice of artists and even prodcution style is very much unlike anything we have ever seen in Bond history. In my opinion (and just my opinion) it all seems a little fake having this pretend American Indie music accompanying the Craig's new rough and tough approach to Bond. NOT to say a rock flavoured pop song for a Bond movie CANNOT be done brilliantly (see LALD). I also think that with the right writers/producers behind them then White or even Cornell could give us something refreshing out of the park. If they could make the heart throb synthpop of A-ha and DD work in a Bond context, then there's no reason why any POPULAR genre cannot.

[Royal Dalton]

Who are they trying to target?

People who like to hear songs featuring two badly-timed singers shouting at each other, probably.

[n8bond]

Dear oh dear it doesn't sound great to me thus far. The music is fine but the vocals(especially Alicia's) are dreadful. If you're going to make a track like this you need a male singer with a powerful voice who can really belt. Steven Tyler comes to mind. I'm open to reserving judgment until I hear a full version and hopefully a different theatrical version but it's not looking good for AWTD right now as far as I'm concerned

[stamper]

hahaha, excellent, a bunch of conservative bond fans slamming the new song... choosing Jack White, as I said elsewhere, is in the spirit of choosing Craig, or rebooting the series. For the first time since Thunderball, Bond is on the edge again. If anyone doesn't understand that being on the edge is what made the Bond movie series, then there's not much one can understand about it.

[tim partridge]

Why does "hard edge" equate out of date, fake, indie rock music? Are they that desperate that they have to use a signposted, literally rough and raw musical style for Craig's songs? Are we THAT far out of imagination? Connery was a rock solid, physical presence too, and some of his Bonds are gritty and raw, but the songs were often in the ballad vein and they took NOTHING away from the actual tone of his Bond. Same with the Dalton era songs.

It just seems hopelessly constipated marrying Craig's stern image to these wooden, dated and manufactured indie rock tunes, poorly dressed in the worst kind of "Bondisms" (unbalanced orchestral elements and literal, direct plot/character references in the lyrics). Arnold's score isn't full of dated grunge/indie guitars and such, so why is it only the song that suffers? They are trying too hard to make it all something it isn't and never should have been, and no doubt the record sales will continue to dip.

Edited by tim partridge, 16 September 2008 - 01:41 PM.

[SecretAgentFan]

hahaha, excellent, a bunch of conservative bond fans slamming the new song... choosing Jack White, as I said elsewhere, is in the spirit of choosing Craig, or rebooting the series. For the first time since Thunderball, Bond is on the edge again. If anyone doesn't understand that being on the edge is what made the Bond movie series, then there's not much one can understand about it.

Although I am a conservative bond fan with conservative music taste (i.e. rock with melody) and although I often find myself at odds with your opionions, I have to say... I agree with you on this one.

And I do like the sample of the song.

[QuantumOO7FSolace]

Something, i dont understand.. Is that the new official Quantum Of Solace Theme coming up after the pre credit sequence? The officila Another To Die music, the one i heard on youtube, track time 1:49? When can we get our hands on the official true version, long minute?

[jwhue]

Well, I heard the one on [a popular web video site], the 1:49 version, I like the slow burn feel of it.

I guess we're gonna have to wait for two more weeks for the entire song. Can't wait to hear how to climax sounds like.

[Harmsway]

If they could make the heart throb synthpop of A-ha and DD work in a Bond context, then there's no reason why any POPULAR genre cannot.

Well, I personally think "You Know My Name" and "Another Way to Die" run circles around A-ha's "The Living Daylights."

[bond 16.05.72]

Why does "hard edge" equate out of date, fake, indie rock music? Are they that desperate that they have to use a signposted, literally rough and raw musical style for Craig's songs? Are we THAT far out of imagination? Connery was a rock solid, physical presence too, and some of his Bonds are gritty and raw, but the songs were often in the ballad vein and they took NOTHING away from the actual tone of his Bond. Same with the Dalton era songs.

It just seems hopelessly constipated marrying Craig's stern image to these wooden, dated and manufactured indie rock tunes, poorly dressed in the worst kind of "Bondisms" (unbalanced orchestral elements and literal, direct plot/character references in the lyrics). Arnold's score isn't full of dated grunge/indie guitars and such, so why is it only the song that suffers? They are trying too hard to make it all something it isn't and never should have been, and no doubt the record sales will continue to dip.

Remember what decade your in, Duran Duran haven't been relevant for more than 20 years and White's contribution to the noughties will outstrip DD's, I love the way people can't move on and are stuck in the past with their music.

White blows every one of DD's individual talents out the window, also his talent is bigger than them all combined.

When White keeps putting his Band's back together and his only fans are people desperate to reliove his glory days then come and talk to me

DD's time was short lived White's relevance will far out strip them, he' barely 30 and has accomplished more artistically than DD ever could.

Bark sales or you like, Rick Astley had huge hit in the 80's as well but it don't mean that's a measure of his longevity.

DD produced some great singles but thats it and DD had Barry for their tune, White & Barry together would blow VTAK away and thats a fact.


The record sales will not take a dip, I predict this will be one of the biggest's smashes Bond themes have had in ages!

Edited by bond 16.05.72, 16 September 2008 - 06:37 PM.

[tim partridge]

Remember what decade your in, Duran Duran haven't been relevant for more than 20 years and White's contribution to the noughties will outstrip DD's, I love the way people can't move on and are stuck in the past with their music.

How am I stuck in the past? I am not comparing DD of now to White, I am comparing White's status as of doing the Bond to that of DD's at the same point in their career in 1985. White cannot hold a candle in terms of relative pop cultural relevance (i.e. today he's nowhere near as big as DD were in 1985).

White blows every one of DD's individual talents out the window, also his talent is bigger than them all combined.

Perhaps, but as a producer IMO he's no Bernard Edwards/Jason Corsaro (both of whom excelled at digital and analogue recordings). I doubt he is anywhere near the groundbreaking bassist that Edwards was either...

When White keeps putting his Band's back together and his only fans are people desperate to reliove his glory days then come and talk to me

Seriously, isn't that what's happening now? Why else would they tactically make this a duet for the first time, and bring Keyes on board (and please correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't she sell more records and appeal to a larger audience than the American indie niche market)?

DD's time was short lived White's relevance will far out strip them,

DD's time was "short lived"? What, 1981-2008? Even their peak first run from 81-85 was more full on popularity wise than White now. They also had big hits well into 1993.

he' barely 30 and has accomplished more artistically than DD ever could.

Bark sales or you like, Rick Astley had huge hit in the 80's as well but it don't mean that's a measure of his longevity.

A balance has to be there. Phillip Glass and Vangelis are also great musicians, not as popular but both probably more talented than Rick Astley, but I doubt they'd be right for a Bond movie song (in the same way that someone really popular like Justin Timberlake wouldn't).

DD produced some great singles but thats it and DD had Barry for their tune, White & Barry together would blow VTAK away and thats a fact.

Not forgetting Edwards/Corsaro.

However, DD's AVTAK was primarily a pop cultural event, not a feat of pure musical artistry. It was just really good mass market pop music used as an expert title song to a Bond movie. White just isn't a comparable contemporary pop icon. You'd have to go for Winehouse or someone similar for that (Keyes even).

The record sales will not take a dip, I predict this will be one of the biggest's smashes Bond themes have had in ages!

But the record sales HAVE taken a dip since the Brozza era started. Especially compared to the chart peak of AVTAK, and at this rate we might never see such an event again.

[HildebrandRarity]

Well, I personally think "You Know My Name" and "Another Way to Die" run circles around A-ha's "The Living Daylights."

LOL.

I have not heard the 1m 40sec snippet but a Bond song running circles around A-ha's TLD title is hardly a tall order. It's one of the weaker ones in the series. Probably bottom quartile, poll or no poll.

[HildebrandRarity]

I am not comparing DD of now to White, I am comparing White's status as of doing the Bond to that of DD's at the same point in their career in 1985. White cannot hold a candle in terms of relative pop cultural relevance (i.e. today he's nowhere near as big as DD were in 1985).

However, DD's AVTAK was primarily a pop cultural event, not a feat of pure musical artistry. It was just really good mass market pop music used as an expert title song to a Bond movie. White just isn't a comparable contemporary pop icon. You'd have to go for Winehouse or someone similar for that (Keyes even).

But the record sales HAVE taken a dip since the Brozza era started. Especially compared to the chart peak of AVTAK, and at this rate we might never see such an event again.

Why are you comparing White's current status and current relevance and current talent (all three of which, admittedly, seem to be on the higher end of the James Bond spectrum (at the time of signing)) to that of Duran Duran's in 1985?

From any point of view, White seems to be closer to his zenith than the vast majority [not all] of the previous 18 performers (excluding John Barry, who was at his height with OHMSS Main Title). Is that a "bad" thing?

And you're correct. Duran Duran were more 'popular' 23 years ago than White is now, but does that matter? And you have to ask, what are they (Eon) after? Popular act to maximize sales and marketing? Or a well-crafted, intelligent song by an acclaimed writer/performer for 'their' movie? Or a combo of the two?

I mean, you don't know how well the song will do, do you? And is your unit of measurement the chart point at which it tops out?

Would you be happy with a song that was more intelligent with it's lyrics than "Like a Lover's Rosy Stain" and only made it to, say, number 6? Or will you only judge the success of this James Bond song if it went Number 1...and to hell with semi-intelligent lyrics?

In good conscience, i'm trying to understand what point you're trying to make...

[rubixcub]

There is also a version up with the vocals. Personally I liked it better as an instrumental. With the vocals in, it sounds more like a regular pop song.

Dave

Edited by rubixcub, 16 September 2008 - 09:17 PM.

[Bondian]

"sounds like a load of bull"

[HildebrandRarity]

"sounds like a load of bull"

Are you saying it's a Toro too?

[Bondian]

"sounds like a load of bull"

Are you saying it's a Toro too?

LOL.

[HildebrandRarity]

"sounds like a load of bull"

Are you saying it's a Toro too?

LOL.

Insomnia, old friend?

Where's Chula?!

[Bondian]

"sounds like a load of bull"

Are you saying it's a Toro too?

LOL.

Insomnia, old friend?

Where's Chula?!

Well. When I eventually kicked him in the face and knocked him out, he thought of me as a "mexican screw-off".

But since he's been gone. It's been "heaven - definitely heaven".

[HildebrandRarity]

It's late. Good night old bean.

Over and out.

[Bondian]

It's late. Good night old bean.

Over and out.

Chin-chin.