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[robster006]

Hi there,

Another report from Madonnarama.com:

Here are the definitive details on the forthcoming release for the Bond soundtrack, including release dates and catalogue numbers:-

The 'Die Another Day' soundtrack will be released on WB (not Maverick) on 11 November (12 November for the US).
The UK catalogue no. is 9362 48389-2

The music contained will be:-

[mrmoon]

Originally posted by robster006
The main title sequence for the film, which will include Madonna's song, will last for approximately 10 minutes.

WTF!!! Methinks not somehow.

[robster006]

Yeah,

But I think they mean the pre-title sequence and the theme song together or something? Or part of it is linked through the pre-title sequence, starting the song, going into the movie for a bit and ending with the finale of the movie. They could use the dramatic pauses to jump into the movie again and get back into the song a fer moments later. Could it be that the pre-title sequence is between 5 and 6 minutes? Then it could be that they are just talking about the pre- title sequence and the title sequence together! Right?

Have a great day!!!

ROB

[mrmoon]

Yes it is surely the pre-titles that is 10 minutes long. I don't think the title sequence will be any longer than normal although what we do know is

Spoiler

Pierce will feature in the titles, possibly being tortured.

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[walther]

10 mins?

If that's the teaser and title sequence it sounds short to me for some reason but that is probably right around average time. I'm glad it's not as long as TWINE's opening. God, I'm not even going to start...

[Mourning Becomes Electra]

I read on another Bond group that the Arnold score will only be represented by a measely 40 minutes. Is that true? Does anyone have the detailed running time yet? I know that room on the CD for Madonna's Video & Making of Video takes up significant space, but then why not just issue it as a double disc? What the point of an album of the score with very little actual score?

[WhiteKnight]

Maybe they're planning a TND with a 2 separate album release...
But 10 mins for the titles?!?!? I think someone's got their numbers wrong....

[solitaire]

The title sequence could last 10 minutes,but not continuously. They could be intertwined into a sequence of events,with titles poping up in different shots. It's been done before.

[Xenobia]

I think it could last for ten minutes...and here is why:

Think back to Dr. No....it has not one, not two, but three different songs in the titles sequence. So we could wind up with some of David Arnold's work, then Madonna's song, and then back to Arnold to bridge us into the movie.

Let's also not forget that

Spoiler

Bond will be tortured during the title sequence

so this extended period of time can account for both the showing of the titles and the plot being forwarded.

-- Xenobia

[WhiteKnight]

But i hope it doesn't interwine it with some of the movie then go back into the titles....that's a bit too off formula

[Kingdom Come]

I think the 10 minutes are; 7 minutes pre-title action sequence then 3 minutes for title/song. The 3 minutes running time for titles have on the whole been the usual length.

[mrmoon]

Possibly Kingdom come, I personally don't think the title sequence length and style will be altered atall, just because they said brozzy will be in it doesn't mean pure footage, it will montaged into the titles, and the style of the song is certainly not going to alter the title sequence.

[level007]

I would prefer a cd without any video and more score from arnold !! I don't care about the video really. Ok maybe i ll watch it one or two time but that s all. The score i ll listen to it thousands of times !
Why don't they put the video in the single ?? Do i have to repeat to music company that the soundtrack is a cd where there should be only score music ? lol

[mkkbb]

I think we should start a petition to send to MGM or the record company to make sure Arnold's score is released separately as well. They should do something special for the music as it is the 40th anniversary.

[Mourning Becomes Electra]

We all know Bond is a busy guy pre titles in DAD, there's no time for 10 minutes of basically music video, even music intercut with action, especially in a tight 120 min film. And credits in Bond films are always superimposed over the 3 minute title sequences, they don't linger for 10 minutes going in and out over the film. (thankfully) As for what happens to Bond in the DAD title sequence it's there to move along the story and show the passage of time thereby saving non-title sequence time in showing the story, it's not there to make the title sequence 10 minutes long which would defeat the point of putting it in the title sequence. Not to mention everyone in the audience would be squirming in their seats from a 10 minute title sequence.

I think the 10 minutes refers to the pre-title sequence Arnold orchestration into the Madonna title song all on the album as one piece leading into the other. Much different than just having the title theme at the beggining of the album score like in TWINE or TND but not really incorporated into the flow of the score on the album.

More importantly the rumored only 40 minutes of score, well that just stinks. Yes Madonna fans will be over the moon at the inclusion of the video and it will increase sales, which is great for the album, but most (correct me if I'm wrong) would probably prefer to have the video and all the remixes on one maxi-cd they can buy separately w/o being bothered by the Bond score, and most Bond fans would like to have more of the score and give up the video. They could have pleased both fans (and those fans of both) by making it a double album, although maybe not everyone's wallet.

[HUNTER C.]

I know Madonna's big but I'm not into her music. I may like the DAD theme but I'm not going to go out to buy the stupid video and **** to it. I think she's a disgusting looking woman and I wouldn't want to watch her all the time. I want to hear as much of Arnold's score as possible for Die Another Day! They need to be released separately. I'm sure the Madonna **** will be on the Die Another Day DVD anyway when it comes out (if not, I won't miss it).

As for the titles... 10 minutes? This is a 2 hour movie, that's quite a chunk of time for titles. 10 minutes is a bit lengthy. You don't need 10 minutes to show

Spoiler

Bond being tortured

. This person has got their info backwards. Besides, in the other thread talking about the length of DAD they said the movie was 2 hours and with the titles added it would be confirmed to be about 2 hours and 2 minutes. So... there we go! Problem solved!

[Tanger]

James Bond Theme mixed by OAKENFOLD!!
I cannot wait for the release of this!!!

[Rich Douglas]

I'm with you tanger! Okenfold does some killer remixes of film themes. His bond theme is going to blow Moby's reversion out of the water (in my opinion). I have seen the info numerous places about the score only getting 40 mins of time on the cd, i'm beginning to think that there is truth to it. It just really pisses me off that MGM is becomming more and more like Lucasfilm everyday, trying to milk the public for every penny they are worth. All that madonna stuff on the score is just a marketing ploy (i'll give them props for that though, it will sell like mad for all the madonna fans). Personally, I'm not a madonna fan, i think the song should of course be on the score release, but all that other **** needs to be on her single. The video and making of will definately be on the DVD, you can count on it, so all it is is a ploy to make more money, and that just makes me sooooo mad. Arnold deserves to have more of hs music released for DAD being the 40th anniversary and all. Who knows, maybe we'll get an isolated score track on the DVD. Although, somehow i doubt it. Instead we'll probably be plagued with a feature length commentary by Madonna on her one cameo appearance and her damn song and it's 15 million remixes.

Rich

[daman3755]

I'm not even going to touch the subject of the pre-title sequence. Ten minutes, as it has been said, is about right for a sequence. Look at the earlier films, such as GOLDFINGER and THUNDERBALL. You didn't need a twelve to eighteen minute teaser to get the film rolling. Five to ten minutes was perfect to segue the viewer into the film.

This CD disturbs me VERY much. The Madonna song, gotta have that. A theme remix by Oakenfold? Hell yes I'm bloody happy for that! But Arnold's score only presents a measly 40 or so minutes? Bollocks. If his score is that length on the soundtrack, then I refuse to buy. I want a long score from Arnold. All his scores usually last from 60 to 77 minutes. (INDEPENDENCE DAY, not the original release but a full-score release, clocked in around 75 minutes or so.) This will not do. This is Bond's 40th. We need more music!! *sigh* Let MGM ruin it, just let them. If EON gets smart, they'll pack up and head off to calmer waters.

[Mourning Becomes Electra]

Is MGM producing the album? I thought Madonna got the rights to issue it under her Maverick Label? So who gets the last word? Really if all we get is 40 minutes of actual score there best be an isolated score on the DVD as there was for TND.

Daman, I don't think the question was the lenth of the pre-title teaser sequence, but confusion over the lenth of the title sequence itself from the original notice that said "The main title sequence for the film, which will include Madonna's song, will last for approximately 10 minutes. " I suspect it's just a mistatement and that 10 minutes refers to the teaser and title sequence length combined.

[Hardyboy]

I'm not sure 40 minutes of musical score is really below average for a 120-minute film. Consider: music is often heard for just a few seconds under a particular scene, and portions of the score are usually reprised at different parts of the film. If the movie had a wall-to-wall musical soundtrack, it would probably get bloody annoying!

[PaulZ108]

Only 40 minutes of score?! Dear god...all because we've got to have all the Madonna **** on there because she's Madonna.

I'm by no means a Madonna fan but I think she could do a good Bond theme, but this isn't about Madonna...It's about Bond and when I buy a Bond score I want a Bond score and half of one with a bunch of Madonna **** tossed in.

[Mourning Becomes Electra]

Hardyboy, 40 minutes is well below what we got from TND and TWINE, even excluding the theme ballads.

[Rich Douglas]

40 minutes is very much subpar for any release. Im most cases a films score only gets a 30 or 40 minute release because the company doesnt want to pay reuse fees for the orchestra. Companies like the Varese Sarabande label usually buy the music in 10 to 15 minute chunks at a set amount so the orchesta players and mixers get paid. Maverick isn't only putting 40 mins on the disc because of reuse fees (we all know they could afford them). All that said, madonna's maverick label is making a mockery of the bond franchise by making this JAMES BOND SCORE ALBUM (what it really should be) madonnas next big record with all sorts of extras (not really relating to bond, just to her). It's a real shame that ...Varese doesnt release bond scores (we would get a full 75 minute release), there are currently court cases trying to outlaw Isolated Score tracks on DVD's, and Rykodisc went under. Most of that score may never see light of day simply because madonna needs her time in the spotlight and is hogging the entire disc of what is supposed to be a soundtrack for a bond film, not madonnas video.

Rich

[robster006]

Uhm,

I'm sorry but aren't you getting a little over exited about your 40 minutes of Bond score. The official report does not in any way state how many minutes of score will be featured on the album. all this talk about score and the portion that will be featured on the album got sparked by a single remark about someone who had read that RUMOR on another Bond forum. Don't you think it's smart to calm down and wait for an official tracklisting with track durations before you all head out to bring down Madonna? It's not even as if she herself will determine what exactly will be featured on that CD, it will be done by people in her company, not her personally. so please calm down and stop blaming her for something that might not even be true! Thank you!!!

Have a great day!!!

ROB

[Tanger]

As a point of interest Rich, which film themes has OAKENFOLD mixed in the past?

I love some of his new work, especially STARRY EYED SURPRISE, although I must say, his debut album BUNKKA isn't his best work. I thik he's slipping to be honest. Although SES is ace!!

[mrmoon]

Originally posted by Tanger
As a point of interest Rich, which film themes has OAKENFOLD mixed in the past?

His last was Planet Of The Apes last year.

[Tanger]

Thanks Mr. Moon

I was also thiking on this. Presumably for OAKENFOLD to be able to mix the theme, first somebody is going to have to perform it. Do you think Arnold has done a new version? I should think so. But is it a complete version and not that such as just being pepperred throughout the score. Also, I should imagine that Oakey will mix in some of the title theme aswell. It'd be great if he did coz then it could be used in the closing credits!!

[Rich Douglas]

Okenfolds most recent was a remix of some of James Newton Howard's score from M Night Shamalyan's "Signs", it's really well done. He also worked closely on the score for "Swordfish" with composer Christopher Young last year. He will probably remix sections of the bond theme that can be heard throughout the DAD score complete with quotes from the film. OR, he could be remixing the title theme, it's just too early to tell. By the way robster, the 40 minutes of music information has come from a very reliable source that I'm willing to believe. The two videos contained on the disc will either be in quicktime format or MPEG format, and will take up alot of space, so i think we have every right to criticise her and her company at least a little. Those of us that are into film scores and not madonna (like me) will be a little pissed if we only get 40 minutes of score. No offense robster.

Rich

[mrmoon]

Originally posted by Rich Douglas
Okenfolds most recent was a remix of some of James Newton Howard's score from M Night Shamalyan's "Signs", it's really well done.  

They are not single releases though are they Rich?? Im presuming Oakenfold will remix the James Bond theme for single release as Moby did in 97.