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[Flash1087]

...TLTOFC...

Ashamed to say it, but I'm not entirely sure what that's an acronym for! The Last Temptation of Christ?

[YOLT]

Sum all the super-hero movies and they wont be equal to only a second of a Bond movie. You cant compare Tata to a Mercedes can you

[Vauxhall]

...TLTOFC...

Ashamed to say it, but I'm not entirely sure what that's an acronym for! The Last Temptation of Christ?

I was wondering the same thing, and also came up with THE LAST TEMPTATION OF CHRIST.

[TheREAL008]

...TLTOFC...

Ashamed to say it, but I'm not entirely sure what that's an acronym for! The Last Temptation of Christ?

I was wondering the same thing, and also came up with THE LAST TEMPTATION OF CHRIST.

You both are correct.

[Harmsway]

They call themselves pointing out the dark side of humanity and then they pervert their message by allowing these observations come out of the mouths from villains like the Joker, before the latter is eventually proven wrong.

Well, you can go cuddle up with SEVEN, then.

But the Joker isn't really proven wrong. His point stands, especially when he brings up that the boat incident may have floundered, but once Two-Face is revealed to everybody, he's won. And Batman believes him. The only reason the Joker loses in THE DARK KNIGHT is because of a cover-up.

Nevermind that I don't think Nolan ever claimed to make a film that was about the "dark side of the humanity." He's always seen Batman as a study in hope, goodness, justice, and moral virtue. So no, he's not going to turn Batman into a nihilistic affair. And rightly so.

Sure, human beings are capable of doing some good. But in that particular situation? I rather doubt it. If there is one trait that humanity posses is talent for self-preservation.

There have been real-life accounts of groups of people in panic situations acting similarly, so I don't think it's that much of a reach.

[__7]

It would be interesting to see how many people who thought the QoS teaser was crap also thought TDK was crap. Hmm.

[blueman]

Loved the QOS teaser trailer. Hated TDK. That help?

[Colossus]

I liked Batman 89 more than either of the new Batmans.

Bale is a great actor unquestionably, but his Batman is kind of bland and his Bruce Wayne too cold and detached, it's like he's just playing a subdued Patrick Bateman or something. I like how the previous actors had a sense of warmth to them along with the other factors. Even the 90's animated series had Bruce having a more lighthearted nature which contrasts nicely with his different Batman persona.

I always appreciated that Keaton's darkness wasn't so superficial, the way that Bale's was (that was also the whole approach to the movie, to not tell you everything and make you think about things and leave some mystery to the character, more mythic and a force of the night, as opposed to Nolan's approach to put everything right on the surface). Keaton's Batman IS dark and brooding, while Bale's just tells the audience that he is, "Bats frightened me, now it's time my enemies shared my dread." Also Burton's vehicles and Gotham remains unsurpassed.

[honeyjes]

QoS shouldn't be compared with TDK at all.

All in all TDK is just a movie, it's not Casablanca or Citizen Kane or even TLTOFC, it's just a Batman sequel and a Bond film shouldn't live up to any standards except of it's own.

It would seem a Bond film can no longer be a Bond film anymore, last time the beating stick was Ultimatum, now TDK what next I wonder.

[triviachamp]

last time the beating stick was Ultimatum, now TDK what next I wonder.

The Dark Knight, Avatar, Bourne 4, Shrek Goes Fourth

[blueman]

last time the beating stick was Ultimatum, now TDK what next I wonder.

Shrek Goes Fourth

[__7]

New numbers in on TDK:

$300 million in 10 days

that doesn't suck very much

[Flash1087]

last time the beating stick was Ultimatum, now TDK what next I wonder.

Shrek Goes Fourth

...is that ACTUALLY what they're calling it?

[bond 16.05.72]

I liked Batman 89 more than either of the new Batmans.

Bale is a great actor unquestionably, but his Batman is kind of bland and his Bruce Wayne too cold and detached, it's like he's just playing a subdued Patrick Bateman or something. I like how the previous actors had a sense of warmth to them along with the other factors. Even the 90's animated series had Bruce having a more lighthearted nature which contrasts nicely with his different Batman persona.

I always appreciated that Keaton's darkness wasn't so superficial, the way that Bale's was (that was also the whole approach to the movie, to not tell you everything and make you think about things and leave some mystery to the character, more mythic and a force of the night, as opposed to Nolan's approach to put everything right on the surface). Keaton's Batman IS dark and brooding, while Bale's just tells the audience that he is, "Bats frightened me, now it's time my enemies shared my dread." Also Burton's vehicles and Gotham remains unsurpassed.

You're a Roger Moore Fan aren't you?

Says it all for me I'm afraid.

[Safari Suit]

Why are you such a condescending ?

[Vauxhall]

last time the beating stick was Ultimatum, now TDK what next I wonder.

Shrek Goes Fourth

...is that ACTUALLY what they're calling it?

It is indeed!

[bond 16.05.72]

Why are you such a condescending ?

From that review I saw someone not looking for depth originality and was more of a fan of superficial gadget fests, hence a Moore film.

It' ok if you want Batman to resemble Moonraker but I've had enough of films with no plot or structure. It's like people wanting Bond to be more wisecracking and have more gadgets in CR.

[Safari Suit]

Okay, I was a bit harsh, sorry, but I don't think comments like that add little to discussions and only serve to offend frankly.

[ImTheMoneypenny]

I think it's unfair to compare a movie that hasn't come out yet (and we're judging on a trailer.) to a movie that is out now. As well Bond is Bond and Batman is Batman, they aren't the same at all. It's like trying to compare apples and potatoes. Yes, people like them, but differently and some like one and not the other and vice versa.

I for one lost my interest in Batman films years ago. They were fun when I was younger. When the first one came out I was the test audience for the trailer. I had t-shirts and all that, but I got older and my tastes in comic books ran farther and farther from the mainstream towards Love and Rockets, Baker Street, and the vintage Warren Vampirellas. I did enjoy Frank Miller's The Dark Knight Returns, however.

Plus and I have never mentioned this, I had an ex-friend who was madly in love with Heath Ledger, thought that if he met her he'd leave Michelle and take up with her, and she began stalking the set. Even after Ledger blew her off she continued to go to Chicago, and came back once declaring Gary Oldman was in love with her and she was going back to be with him. Well she went back but he wouldn't see her. Anyway so she became an extra in the movie and became so impossible to live with that she poisoned whatever interest I may have had in the movie.

But just because I am loyal to Bond, I would not say QoS is better. I haven't seen it nor have I seen TDK. My own prejudices colour my opinion.

[Colossus]

Okay, I was a bit harsh, sorry, but I don't think comments like that add little to discussions and only serve to offend frankly.

It's just immature.

[kneelbeforezod]

The Dark Knight really is a pretty stunning piece of work. I personally cannot see QOS touching it in terms of quality. Part of the reason for that is that good though he is, I just don't think Forster is in Nolan's league.

But that said, I have to concede that I never envisaged CR being as good as it was with Martin Campbell at the helm, and that film blew me away. So with Haggis, Craig and Forster... perhaps I should have a little more faith, QOS could come pretty close in terms of quality.

In a just world, Nolan would be given a shot at directing Craig in a Bond film. I don't think I would be able to handle the excitement if that was announced, I'd just keel over.

[Flash1087]

As much as I would LOVE to see Nolan do a Bond movie, any Bond movie (especially if they started remaking the older ones...could you imagine Christopher Nolan's From Russia With Love?), that would just make the problem of comparing New Batman to New Bond even worse.

It is indeed!

Cripes.

[bond 16.05.72]

Okay, I was a bit harsh, sorry, but I don't think comments like that add little to discussions and only serve to offend frankly.

It's just immature.

Maybe it is and I apologise but it goes on all the time in some form or other on all forums. I realise whatever I say is never gonna change your mind or what anyone says will sway you and so it should be.

Anyone who changes ther mind due to a comment from another member is weak willed and a sheep and it's highly unlikely I hope!

No I don't like the previous version of Batman anymore and are far more excited by Nolan's vision and the parallel with the Bond series for me is evident. I have grown tired of Moore type Bond and the darker angle to me is far more interesting.

The same thing has happened to Batman that is happening to Bond and I like it. I went on the defensive but I'm going to do the best to keep out of such petty arguments but please don't pretend to think your above it, almost everyone here has took part in some kind of form of it in their time.

Everyone here has their fav's and please don't tell me you haven't attacked some others views because you disagree passionately because I won't believe you.

[Safari Suit]

Of course. But I think it's always wise to avoid petty ad hominems.

[Mercator]

I liked Batman 89 more than either of the new Batmans.

Bale is a great actor unquestionably, but his Batman is kind of bland and his Bruce Wayne too cold and detached, it's like he's just playing a subdued Patrick Bateman or something. I like how the previous actors had a sense of warmth to them along with the other factors. Even the 90's animated series had Bruce having a more lighthearted nature which contrasts nicely with his different Batman persona.

I always appreciated that Keaton's darkness wasn't so superficial, the way that Bale's was (that was also the whole approach to the movie, to not tell you everything and make you think about things and leave some mystery to the character, more mythic and a force of the night, as opposed to Nolan's approach to put everything right on the surface). Keaton's Batman IS dark and brooding, while Bale's just tells the audience that he is, "Bats frightened me, now it's time my enemies shared my dread." Also Burton's vehicles and Gotham remains unsurpassed.

You're a Roger Moore Fan aren't you?

Says it all for me I'm afraid.

For what is wrong with Roger Moore? My favourite film is The Spy Who Loved Me.
Why is this bad?
Why so serious?

[Mister E]

I liked Batman 89 more than either of the new Batmans.

Bale is a great actor unquestionably, but his Batman is kind of bland and his Bruce Wayne too cold and detached, it's like he's just playing a subdued Patrick Bateman or something. I like how the previous actors had a sense of warmth to them along with the other factors. Even the 90's animated series had Bruce having a more lighthearted nature which contrasts nicely with his different Batman persona.

I always appreciated that Keaton's darkness wasn't so superficial, the way that Bale's was (that was also the whole approach to the movie, to not tell you everything and make you think about things and leave some mystery to the character, more mythic and a force of the night, as opposed to Nolan's approach to put everything right on the surface). Keaton's Batman IS dark and brooding, while Bale's just tells the audience that he is, "Bats frightened me, now it's time my enemies shared my dread." Also Burton's vehicles and Gotham remains unsurpassed.

Keaton as Batman and Bruce Wayne was never dark. He felt too much like a next door neighbor who just happened to be Batman. He also didn't see to have the obession and fusteration Batman has when he fight's crime. Everything about how he did the character was simply tacked on and too Hollywood friendly. Kevin Conroy as Batman in the first series had humor but he also had an edge.

Edited by Mister E, 28 July 2008 - 11:48 PM.

[BoogieBond]

I liked Batman 89 more than either of the new Batmans.

Bale is a great actor unquestionably, but his Batman is kind of bland and his Bruce Wayne too cold and detached, it's like he's just playing a subdued Patrick Bateman or something. I like how the previous actors had a sense of warmth to them along with the other factors. Even the 90's animated series had Bruce having a more lighthearted nature which contrasts nicely with his different Batman persona.

I always appreciated that Keaton's darkness wasn't so superficial, the way that Bale's was (that was also the whole approach to the movie, to not tell you everything and make you think about things and leave some mystery to the character, more mythic and a force of the night, as opposed to Nolan's approach to put everything right on the surface). Keaton's Batman IS dark and brooding, while Bale's just tells the audience that he is, "Bats frightened me, now it's time my enemies shared my dread." Also Burton's vehicles and Gotham remains unsurpassed.

You're a Roger Moore Fan aren't you?

Says it all for me I'm afraid.

For what is wrong with Roger Moore? My favourite film is The Spy Who Loved Me.
Why is this bad?
Why so serious?

That raised a chuckle Mercator

I really enjoy the direction Batman and Bond are going in.
But ultimately, at the moment, demand is there to tell these type of darker grittier stories. Batman's and CR's success are evidence that a more sophisticated action movie with a balance of drama and characterisation are being successful. I am quite happy to see Bond take this current trend, because, at some point, people will shift to more spectacular, "Spy" type of adventures. I want to see this Bond era for more films yet. And then I guess we could get more light hearted, straightforward adventures that are primarily entertainment and fun.
And "Spy" is my favourite as well There is nowt wrong with it, or Rog.

Edited by BoogieBond, 29 July 2008 - 12:06 AM.