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[dinovelvet]

http://www.ew.com/ew...0207063,00.html

Entertainment weekly have put together a list of 100 new/modern classic films (i.e. made after 1983), and CR gets a look in at no.19, which puts it ahead of weighty fare such as Schinder's List, yet curiously below the likes of Jerry Maguire and Edward Scissorhands. Still, its Bond, and its there. I wonder if 007 would have been represented at all on this list if it weren't for CR.

[Judo chop]

I wonder if 007 would have been represented at all on this list if it weren't for CR.

If he had, frightening to think which film it would have been...

[zencat]

Two years on and CR just gets better and better in my book. It's a miraculous thing to have the 21st movie be one of the very best.

[Matt_13]

CR topped Schindler's List? Wow, that is impressive.

[Single-O-Seven]

CR topped Schindler's List? Wow, that is impressive.

I wonder how Spielberg feels? Maybe now he'll get around to directing that Bond film he's always wanted to do.

[tdalton]

I definitely don't agree with Casino Royale beating out films like Schindler's List, which is one of the greatest films of all-time, not just out of the "new classics".

Granted, it's a great Bond movie, but the only aspects of the film that can really compete with many of the other classics on this list are the two terrific lead performances by Daniel Craig and Eva Green. The film itself, though, probably should reside in the bottom 50 of this list rather than at #19.

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Two years on and CR just gets better and better in my book. It's a miraculous thing to have the 21st movie be one of the very best.

Absolutely.

Who would have thought a reinvention of a 44-year-old, 20-film movie character could be done so effectively?

[Matt_13]

CR topped Schindler's List? Wow, that is impressive.

I wonder how Spielberg feels? Maybe now he'll get around to directing that Bond film he's always wanted to do.

Probably stung a wee bit but I'm sure he'll make it . It definitely would be interesting but I think we know the direction he'd go in thanks to Indiana Jones.

This list does have some questionable movies in questionable places. I would rank THE TRUMAN SHOW much higher as I would THE BOURNE SUPREMACY. Better than DIE HARD at least. CHILDREN OF MEN should be higher up as well. To each his own though.

[tdalton]

This list does have some questionable movies in questionable places. I would rank THE TRUMAN SHOW much higher as I would THE BOURNE SUPREMACY. Better than DIE HARD at least. CHILDREN OF MEN should be higher up as well. To each his own though.

Agreed. The Truman Show should be higher, and I would actually replace The Bourne Supremacy with The Bourne Identity. The Bourne Identity should be on the list, and very high up on the list. It's one of the best spy films in the last decade or so, IMO, and it deserved a place on the list rather than any of its awful sequels.

[Righty007]

GoldenEye 007 for N64 also made #8 in their video game section.

[HH007]

This list does have some questionable movies in questionable places. I would rank THE TRUMAN SHOW much higher as I would THE BOURNE SUPREMACY. Better than DIE HARD at least. CHILDREN OF MEN should be higher up as well. To each his own though.

Agreed. The Truman Show should be higher, and I would actually replace The Bourne Supremacy with The Bourne Identity. The Bourne Identity should be on the list, and very high up on the list. It's one of the best spy films in the last decade or so, IMO, and it deserved a place on the list rather than any of its awful sequels.

When I first saw THE BOURNE SUPREMACY in theaters I actually liked it quite a bit, but when I revisited it on DVD I found it to be an incredibly boring and (along with ULTIMATUM) completely unnecessary film. IDENTITY is the only one that holds up for me.

As for CASINO ROYALE being on this list, awesome! For me it's one of three Bond films that transcends being a great Bond film and is just a great film, period (the other two being FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE and ON HER MAJESTY'S SECRET SERVICE). I remember reading that CASINO ROYALE was the EW Critic's favorite movie of 2006, so this doesn't surprise me.

As far as the rest of the list goes, I would've put BLUE VELVET at No. 1 as it is my favorite film, I would have ranked ED WOOD much higher, and I probably would not have included AUSTIN POWERS at all.

[tdalton]

This list does have some questionable movies in questionable places. I would rank THE TRUMAN SHOW much higher as I would THE BOURNE SUPREMACY. Better than DIE HARD at least. CHILDREN OF MEN should be higher up as well. To each his own though.

Agreed. The Truman Show should be higher, and I would actually replace The Bourne Supremacy with The Bourne Identity. The Bourne Identity should be on the list, and very high up on the list. It's one of the best spy films in the last decade or so, IMO, and it deserved a place on the list rather than any of its awful sequels.

When I first saw THE BOURNE SUPREMACY in theaters I actually liked it quite a bit, but when I revisited it on DVD I found it to be an incredibly boring and (along with ULTIMATUM) completely unnecessary film. IDENTITY is the only one that holds up for me.

Agreed. As with most of the current film series, everything that the filmmakers had to say with the Bourne series was said in The Bourne Identity. The Bourne Supremacy and The Bourne Ultimatum are both just awful and completely unnecessary films that serve no other purpose other than to make more money from the Bourne character rather than trying to come up with something original.

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What's interesting is the only movies newer than Casino Royale on that list were all nominated for the Best Picture Oscar.

[Qwerty]

Makes one wonder if we'll see Quantum of Solace eventually accompany Casino Royale on similar lists in the next couple years.

[Mr_Wint]

(...)
19. Casino Royale (2006)
20. The Lion King (1994)
(...)
70. Broadcast News (1987)
71. Unforgiven (1992)
72. Thelma & Louise (1991)
(...)

That list gave me a good laugh. They are crazy.

[DamnCoffee]

Makes one wonder if we'll see Quantum of Solace eventually accompany Casino Royale on similar lists in the next couple years.

I really hope so, but sequels usually do worse than their predecessor. Lets not hope this isn't the case for Quantum of Solace.

[tdalton]

(...)
19. Casino Royale (2006)
20. The Lion King (1994)
(...)
70. Broadcast News (1987)
71. Unforgiven (1992)
72. Thelma & Louise (1991)
(...)

That list gave me a good laugh. They are crazy.

I have to agree, I'm not really understanding how some of the films on this list even made it, or made the position that they appear on the list. Casino Royale is a good film, but is it really the 19th best movie of the past 25 years? And is it better than such classics as Unforgiven and Schindler's List ? IMO, it isn't. Casino Royale should have appeared on the list, but somewhere in the bottom 50, not in the top 20 of the list.

[DamnCoffee]

Yes I was quite suprised that Toy Story was in the top 10 and T2 was near the bottom. This list cannot be right.

[HH007]

(...)
19. Casino Royale (2006)
20. The Lion King (1994)
(...)
70. Broadcast News (1987)
71. Unforgiven (1992)
72. Thelma & Louise (1991)
(...)

That list gave me a good laugh. They are crazy.

I have to agree, I'm not really understanding how some of the films on this list even made it, or made the position that they appear on the list. Casino Royale is a good film, but is it really the 19th best movie of the past 25 years?

Here's how I might explain the ordering of this list; when I write down an extended list of my favorite films, aside from my top five favorites which are set in stone, it becomes pretty haphazard after that... meaning I just put down films in the order that I think of them, paying little attention to what order they're actually in. For example, I have on my Myspace page CASINO ROYALE listed before both CASABLANCA and THE GODFATHER 1 & 2... now do I really think that CR is better than those movies...? HELL NO. However, because CR sprung to my mind before those, it's higher on the list. So that may be what's happened here, but considering they were paid to make up their list, they could've put a little more thought into which movies belonged where on it... but who knows.

[tdalton]

(...)
19. Casino Royale (2006)
20. The Lion King (1994)
(...)
70. Broadcast News (1987)
71. Unforgiven (1992)
72. Thelma & Louise (1991)
(...)

That list gave me a good laugh. They are crazy.

I have to agree, I'm not really understanding how some of the films on this list even made it, or made the position that they appear on the list. Casino Royale is a good film, but is it really the 19th best movie of the past 25 years?

Here's how I might explain the ordering of this list; when I write down an extended list of my favorite films, aside from my top five favorites which are set in stone, it becomes pretty haphazard after that... meaning I just put down films in the order that I think of them, paying little attention to what order they're actually in. For example, I have on my Myspace page CASINO ROYALE listed before both CASABLANCA and THE GODFATHER 1 & 2... now do I really think that CR is better than those movies...? HELL NO. However, because CR sprung to my mind before those, it's higher on the list. So that may be what's happened here, but considering they were paid to make up their list, they could've put a little more thought into which movies belonged where on it... but who knows.

That happens to me as well, but neither one of us are, as you mention, being paid to devise these lists, which makes the order in which the films appear less important and subject to change. But, EW is being paid to put this list together, so actually ranking the films in terms of quality and not which popped into their minds first is not only expected, it should be required. I can come up with the title Batman and Robin fairly quickly off the top of my head, but that doesn't stop it from being one of the absolute worst films of all-time.

[HH007]

(...)
19. Casino Royale (2006)
20. The Lion King (1994)
(...)
70. Broadcast News (1987)
71. Unforgiven (1992)
72. Thelma & Louise (1991)
(...)

That list gave me a good laugh. They are crazy.

I have to agree, I'm not really understanding how some of the films on this list even made it, or made the position that they appear on the list. Casino Royale is a good film, but is it really the 19th best movie of the past 25 years?

Here's how I might explain the ordering of this list; when I write down an extended list of my favorite films, aside from my top five favorites which are set in stone, it becomes pretty haphazard after that... meaning I just put down films in the order that I think of them, paying little attention to what order they're actually in. For example, I have on my Myspace page CASINO ROYALE listed before both CASABLANCA and THE GODFATHER 1 & 2... now do I really think that CR is better than those movies...? HELL NO. However, because CR sprung to my mind before those, it's higher on the list. So that may be what's happened here, but considering they were paid to make up their list, they could've put a little more thought into which movies belonged where on it... but who knows.

That happens to me as well, but neither one of us are, as you mention, being paid to devise these lists, which makes the order in which the films appear less important and subject to change. But, EW is being paid to put this list together, so actually ranking the films in terms of quality and not which popped into their minds first is not only expected, it should be required. I can come up with the title Batman and Robin fairly quickly off the top of my head, but that doesn't stop it from being one of the absolute worst films of all-time.

The only list of mine that BATMAN & ROBIN ever appeared on was a list of what I considered the biggest cinematic bombs ever conceived and unleashed on an unsuspecting public (DIE ANOTHER DAY is also on that list).

[marktmurphy]

Agreed. As with most of the current film series, everything that the filmmakers had to say with the Bourne series was said in The Bourne Identity. The Bourne Supremacy and The Bourne Ultimatum are both just awful and completely unnecessary films that serve no other purpose other than to make more money from the Bourne character rather than trying to come up with something original.

Arf! Is that not a little bit ironic to write that on a Bond forum? Did Dr No's 20 sequels add all that much?

[HH007]

Agreed. As with most of the current film series, everything that the filmmakers had to say with the Bourne series was said in The Bourne Identity. The Bourne Supremacy and The Bourne Ultimatum are both just awful and completely unnecessary films that serve no other purpose other than to make more money from the Bourne character rather than trying to come up with something original.

Arf! Is that not a little bit ironic to write that on a Bond forum? Did Dr No's 20 sequels add all that much?

Well, at least Bond had a new story film for film (for the most part), whereas Bourne has used one single story and dragged it out needlessly for three movies. What did we learn at the end of ULTIMATUM that we didn't already know at the end of IDENTITY?

Arf.

[Professor Dent]

Aren't these lists just hammered out by a few people over lunch one day? Not much scientific here - just a few opinions. Cool to continue to see a Bond movie get high marks, though.

[dinovelvet]

Aren't these lists just hammered out by a few people over lunch one day? Not much scientific here - just a few opinions. Cool to continue to see a Bond movie get high marks, though.

Pretty much...and the whole point of this list is to spark debate and get people to say "Hey that movie shouldn't be there, that one should be higher than that one, where is this film or that film", etc etc. Personally I think Reservoir Dogs is Tarantino's masterpiece, and Pulp Fiction is an inferior followup, so I stopped taking the list seriously and continued reading only for comedy purposes. The only thing that pissed me off was Michael Mann not being represented on this list at all.

[HH007]

Aren't these lists just hammered out by a few people over lunch one day? Not much scientific here - just a few opinions. Cool to continue to see a Bond movie get high marks, though.

Pretty much...and the whole point of this list is to spark debate and get people to say "Hey that movie shouldn't be there, that one should be higher than that one, where is this film or that film", etc etc. Personally I think Reservoir Dogs is Tarantino's masterpiece, and Pulp Fiction is an inferior followup, so I stopped taking the list seriously and continued reading only for comedy purposes. The only thing that pissed me off was Michael Mann not being represented on this list at all.

Yes, I think HEAT or THE INSIDER should be on there somewhere. Again, why not boot AUSTIN POWERS...

[tdalton]

Aren't these lists just hammered out by a few people over lunch one day? Not much scientific here - just a few opinions. Cool to continue to see a Bond movie get high marks, though.

Pretty much...and the whole point of this list is to spark debate and get people to say "Hey that movie shouldn't be there, that one should be higher than that one, where is this film or that film", etc etc. Personally I think Reservoir Dogs is Tarantino's masterpiece, and Pulp Fiction is an inferior followup, so I stopped taking the list seriously and continued reading only for comedy purposes. The only thing that pissed me off was Michael Mann not being represented on this list at all.

Yes, I think HEAT or THE INSIDER should be on there somewhere. Again, why not boot AUSTIN POWERS...

Absolutely.

I also can't believe that I didn't mention HEAT earlier on in the thread, because I'd have that film right up there at the very top of the list, followed by another masterpiece, Sean Penn's INTO THE WILD, which I would have had in the second spot. The list is also missing Ben Affleck's debut masterpiece GONE BABY GONE (if I'm not mistaken, I don't remember seeing it there).

[Harmsway]

CASINO ROYALE's placement is amazing, but totally undeserved.

[tdalton]

CASINO ROYALE's placement is amazing, but totally undeserved.

Completely agreed. I had said earlier in the thread that it should have been in the bottom 50 of the list, but I'm not even sure that it should have even made the list at all. Aside from the fantastic (and, IMO, Oscar worthy) performances of Eva Green and Daniel Craig, the film does not have much going for it. I think that if Green and Craig were replaced with lesser actors, the film would have been amongst the lesser films in the franchise.

Also irritating about the list is that CASINO ROYALE makes it over several other masterpieces. HEAT and INTO THE WILD are absolutely deserving of spots on the list, but neither are as wildly popular as the likes of the Bond films, which means that CASINO ROYALE makes it over a true masterpiece. Also, the fact that it ranks higher than SCHINDLER'S LIST is absolutely laughable. Spielberg should be offended by being ranked behind CASINO ROYALE.

[AngryPolarBear]

Just don't blame Casino Royale for that This is a list, and like all other lists there's always something to complain about. I don't see great films like Batman Begins, The Prestige, Heat, Into The Wild, Magnolia and plenty of other pictures. I couldn't care less actually.