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#811 sthgilyadgnivileht

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Posted 18 July 2009 - 10:23 PM

The future looks bleak for Blu-ray:

http://features.csmo...whats-to-blame/


Good article. On the positive side, news broke last week that Walmart is now affering a $99.00 Blu Ray player. Once more players get away fromt the $300.00 price range and into the $100.00 range, Blu Ray sales will increase.

I hope so. Hope the article is a reflection of the economic climate and things will upturn.
I don't want to have to wait until Bond '23 for the next wave, or worse still never. If we had something like this sales would go up:
TSWLM released with the open university making of BBC documentaries included
OHMSS with a Diana Rigg and Lazenby commentary
TLD with a Dalton commentary and much more of the news footage that was around in '87- the series 25th Anniversary, the new James Bond
I can dream.... B)

I saw a £99 Sony Blu Ray player in HMV yesterday. I was gobsmacked.

That's amazing, but the high price of the films themselves could still put some people off, but I suppose you can still rent.

Edited by sthgilyadgnivileht, 18 July 2009 - 10:20 PM.


#812 Loomis

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Posted 18 July 2009 - 10:27 PM

The future looks bleak for Blu-ray:

http://features.csmo...whats-to-blame/


Good article. On the positive side, news broke last week that Walmart is now affering a $99.00 Blu Ray player. Once more players get away fromt the $300.00 price range and into the $100.00 range, Blu Ray sales will increase.


But I don't think the price of the players is the real problem. I found a perfectly cheap Blu-ray player recently (while the "perfectly cheap" bit does trip off my keyboard quite airily, believe me, I'm not a rich man), and thankfully it's served me very well.*

Firmware problems and the need for an HDTV to get the most out of the format are bigger issues, I think.

To my mind, the biggest problem by far, though, is the (relative to standard DVD) dearth of titles. There quite simply aren't nearly enough films on the format for Joe Blow to seriously consider junking regular DVD and starting over.

And it seems to me that the industry has been striking airs and graces, e.g.: no STAR WARS on Blu-ray until His Exellency the Lord and Master George Lucas is good and ready to throw some crumbs to you little people. Only nine of the James Bond films and that's all you're getting so bloody well be grateful, and, no, we won't tell you when the rest are coming out. No TITANIC, no BACK TO THE FUTURE trilogy, no INDIANA JONES box set, no ALIEN box set, no ROCKY collection, no LORD OF THE RINGS (well, the theatrical cuts have been announced, but no word on the extended versions) - none of the things you really, really want until it suits us.

And then the industry wonders why people are slow to adopt Blu-ray.

*However, I do think the discs themselves are overpriced. I agree with the following comment made on the page I linked to: The Blu-Ray consortium would have helped their case by not presenting this as a premium product. This would have been a very different story if they’d simply treated it like every other technological advance, where consumers expect dramatically improved quality at steady price points. Pricing discs on par with DVD would have been smart - pricing them slightly below would have been *really* smart.

For this reason, I'm very, very cautious indeed about the Blu-ray discs I buy. I need to be 100% satisfied that they're films I'll want to watch over and over again (and also films that will truly benefit from the transfer to Blu-ray). Speaking purely for myself, the format would be worthwhile even if I only watched Bond on it, but you can't build an industry on selling the Bond films to hardcore 007 fans but hardly anything else to them.

Apart from a relatively small number of firm favourites, I have no need to buy anything on Blu-ray because it's easy and cheap to rent Blu-rays through the post.

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Posted 18 July 2009 - 10:30 PM

Honestly I don't think loads of extras will help sell the movies. I think the only people who really get into most of the extras are the Bond/movie fans that would buy the movie regardless.

Firmware problems and the need for an HDTV to get the most out of the format are bigger issues, I think.


I also agree with you here

#814 sthgilyadgnivileht

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Posted 18 July 2009 - 10:32 PM

And it seems to me that the industry has been striking airs and graces, e.g.: no STAR WARS on Blu-ray until His Exellency the Lord and Master George Lucas is good and ready to throw some crumbs to you little people. Only nine of the James Bond films and that's all you're getting so bloody well be grateful, and, no, we won't tell you when the rest are coming out. No TITANIC, no BACK TO THE FUTURE trilogy, no INDIANA JONES box set, no ALIEN box set, no ROCKY collection, no LORD OF THE RINGS (well, the theatrical cuts have been announced, but no word on the extended versions) - none of the things you really, really want until it suits us.

And then the industry wonders why people are slow to adopt Blu-ray.

Very true

#815 Loomis

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Posted 18 July 2009 - 10:40 PM

And it seems to me that the industry has been striking airs and graces, e.g.: no STAR WARS on Blu-ray until His Exellency the Lord and Master George Lucas is good and ready to throw some crumbs to you little people. Only nine of the James Bond films and that's all you're getting so bloody well be grateful, and, no, we won't tell you when the rest are coming out. No TITANIC, no BACK TO THE FUTURE trilogy, no INDIANA JONES box set, no ALIEN box set, no ROCKY collection, no LORD OF THE RINGS (well, the theatrical cuts have been announced, but no word on the extended versions) - none of the things you really, really want until it suits us.

And then the industry wonders why people are slow to adopt Blu-ray.

Very true


Unless the format really takes off in a big way and ends up replacing standard DVD (which seems a very big "if" at this point), I'm certain that most of the "arthouse" and non-English language films I'd love to own on Blu-ray will never, ever be released on the format.

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Posted 18 July 2009 - 10:44 PM

And it seems to me that the industry has been striking airs and graces, e.g.: no STAR WARS on Blu-ray until His Exellency the Lord and Master George Lucas is good and ready to throw some crumbs to you little people. Only nine of the James Bond films and that's all you're getting so bloody well be grateful, and, no, we won't tell you when the rest are coming out. No TITANIC, no BACK TO THE FUTURE trilogy, no INDIANA JONES box set, no ALIEN box set, no ROCKY collection, no LORD OF THE RINGS (well, the theatrical cuts have been announced, but no word on the extended versions) - none of the things you really, really want until it suits us.

And then the industry wonders why people are slow to adopt Blu-ray.

Very true


Amazing B)

#817 Mr_Wint

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Posted 18 July 2009 - 11:05 PM

I guess DVD is good enough for most people. It was easier to see the benefits when going from VHS to DVD and it became accepted faster. Blu-ray is still for film-nerds... or I believe videophiles is the correct term.

OHMSS and TSWLM are the Blu-Ray's I am looking forward to most. And let's not forget YOLT...

#818 jaguar007

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Posted 18 July 2009 - 11:08 PM

I guess DVD is good enough for most people. It was easier to see the benefits when going from VHS to DVD and it became accepted faster. Blu-ray is still for film-nerds... or I believe videophiles is the correct term.

OHMSS and TSWLM are the Blu-Ray's I am looking forward to most. And let's not forget YOLT...


Also the economy was in a far different state in the late 90s when DVD first came on the market. I was an early adapter of both, and I think I paid about $300.00 for both my first DVD player and my first Blu Ray player.

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Posted 18 July 2009 - 11:19 PM

Is it selfish of me to say I'm actually glad Blu-ray hasn't really caught on? I feel like with a majority of the BD base being movie lovers, the releases have been of higher quality. Film grain? We got it. Original aspect ratio? Don't expect anything different.

I realize that if the format doesn't catch on it'll die but I'm just saying, there is an upside to it right now. Plus Army of Darkness is coming out soon so that's all I need. B)

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Posted 18 July 2009 - 11:21 PM

Is it selfish of me to say I'm actually glad Blu-ray hasn't really caught on?



I see exactly what you mean. There's a part of me that hopes Blu Ray never catches on. But I feel it will.

I just don't want to replace the endless DVD's I have.

#821 Shaun Forever

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Posted 19 July 2009 - 01:16 PM

I think DVD and Blu Ray will co-exist together, until something comes along, and kills them both off.

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Posted 19 July 2009 - 04:05 PM

Honestly I don't think loads of extras will help sell the movies. I think the only people who really get into most of the extras are the Bond/movie fans that would buy the movie regardless.

Firmware problems and the need for an HDTV to get the most out of the format are bigger issues, I think.


I also agree with you here

I'm with you on the loads of extras not helping to sell more movies. I skip those BD-Live updates every time they pop-up when I insert a new disc. Unless I really liked the movie or are a big fan of it, I just skip the extras altogether.

Cost is the main issue here. You need an HDTV & Blu-ray is still just too expensive for the masses. I'm starting to see Blu-ray discs come down in price but they are still much more expensive than their DVD counterparts (especially on older catalog titles).

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Posted 20 July 2009 - 02:00 PM

Is it selfish of me to say I'm actually glad Blu-ray hasn't really caught on?



I see exactly what you mean. There's a part of me that hopes Blu Ray never catches on. But I feel it will.

I just don't want to replace the endless DVD's I have.


You don't have to replace your DVDs - they play fine on your BR player.

Also the BR players are coming down in price - I've seen a £100 model so there should be £75 models out by Xmas. The catalogue is expanding and prices are coming down - and online video rentals make renting BR discs easy and completely cost neutral vs DVD. I suspect the transition will accelerate from next year with BR overtaking DVD by mid 2011/2012.

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Posted 20 July 2009 - 03:09 PM

weres goldeneye on bluray B) when are they releasing that on wave 5.

Edited by 007Bond007, 20 July 2009 - 03:10 PM.


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Posted 20 July 2009 - 05:40 PM

weres goldeneye on bluray B) when are they releasing that on wave 5.



Nobody knows yet, things have been quiet for a while now.

#826 dee-bee-five

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Posted 20 July 2009 - 06:26 PM

The future looks bleak for Blu-ray:

http://features.csmo...whats-to-blame/



But another report out this weekend suggests that while spending on entertainment formats fell by 4% in the US in the first half of 2009, spending on Blu Ray discs went up by 91%.

You pays your money and believe whichever statistics you like, I guess...

#827 sthgilyadgnivileht

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Posted 20 July 2009 - 06:35 PM

The future looks bleak for Blu-ray:

http://features.csmo...whats-to-blame/



But another report out this weekend suggests that while spending on entertainment formats fell by 4% in the US in the first half of 2009, spending on Blu Ray discs went up by 91%.

You pays your money and believe whichever statistics you like, I guess...

Out of the two I prefer to believe the latter statistic, as I want more Bonds on Blu-ray.

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Posted 20 July 2009 - 08:54 PM

Agreed Quantum of Solace and Casino Royale blu rays have sold very well. Not sure how the DVD of those did in comparison to the blu ray though.

I think MGM was surprised about sales numbers for the Connery films. I'm sure they knew what to expect based on history of DVD releases with lesser selling titles like Licence To Kill and The Man With the Golden Gun.

Blu ray has a lot of challenges. DVD for one. However those who have seen and heard blu ray movies can see and hear quite a difference.

I'm sure many blu ray adopters are not buying older films too, as they don't think they will see much difference. That doesn't help.

Hopefully we will hear some good news about the next wave of Bond on blu ray.

Agreed blu ray and DVD will exist together for a time. Hopefully those on the fence will get blu ray soon. The lower pricing may help some. It seems a lot of people really don't understand what blu ray is though and why they should buy it.

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Posted 22 July 2009 - 05:08 PM

i agree with all of you bluray was ment for bond, as the back of the cases state.

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Posted 22 July 2009 - 05:30 PM

The future looks bleak for Blu-ray:

http://features.csmo...whats-to-blame/



But another report out this weekend suggests that while spending on entertainment formats fell by 4% in the US in the first half of 2009, spending on Blu Ray discs went up by 91%.

You pays your money and believe whichever statistics you like, I guess...


Well, at the moment I'm believing my own eyes about the pitiful representation and promotion of Blu-rays relative to standard DVDs in stores like HMV (and the stores, unlike Amazon, charge like wounded bulls for Blu-ray discs). I sometimes wonder whether "the industry" is actively trying to make it very, very difficult to win over Joe Blow with Blu-ray.

#831 sthgilyadgnivileht

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Posted 22 July 2009 - 05:36 PM

Well, at the moment I'm believing my own eyes about the pitiful representation and promotion of Blu-rays relative to standard DVDs in stores like HMV (and the stores, unlike Amazon, charge like wounded bulls for Blu-ray discs). I sometimes wonder whether "the industry" is actively trying to make it very, very difficult to win over Joe Blow with Blu-ray.

It does seem that way I agree. HMV are virtually giving away some standard definition DVD's, especially during their 'sales'. Look at blue ray and its tucked away and you have to part with the best part of £20 for a disc.

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Posted 22 July 2009 - 06:57 PM

Well, at the moment I'm believing my own eyes about the pitiful representation and promotion of Blu-rays relative to standard DVDs in stores like HMV (and the stores, unlike Amazon, charge like wounded bulls for Blu-ray discs). I sometimes wonder whether "the industry" is actively trying to make it very, very difficult to win over Joe Blow with Blu-ray.

It does seem that way I agree. HMV are virtually giving away some standard definition DVD's, especially during their 'sales'. Look at blue ray and its tucked away and you have to part with the best part of £20 for a disc.



They wanted £25 each for Bond Blu Rays a while ago, that's absolutely scandalous IMO, I bought most of mine online at Zavvi, for just under £9 each.

It's a shame really, because HMV's website is always quite good for deals.

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Posted 25 July 2009 - 02:58 AM

I picked up Casino Royale 2 disc and Quantum of Solace on blu ray today. Combined it was $27. Amazon has been running some great sales.

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Posted 25 July 2009 - 07:10 PM

It does seem that way I agree. HMV are virtually giving away some standard definition DVD's, especially during their 'sales'. Look at blu ray and its tucked away and you have to part with the best part of £20 for a disc.


It pains me that when HMV have their sales, it never includes the blu rays! For me, the ONLY thing holding back blu ray is the price of the disks. How do they expect the format to really take off when the blu ray can cost £25 a pop but the self same movie on DVD costs £8?

Edited by karligula, 25 July 2009 - 07:10 PM.


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Posted 28 July 2009 - 11:56 AM

Interestingly enough, I've just come across a report from the British Video Association (it's about a month old, so hardly hot off the press) to the effect that sales of Blu Ray discs in the UK were 231% higher in 2009 than 2008 - helped by Batman and Bond, so the report says. Sales of DVD discs in the UK fell by 9.5% in the same period.

This would seems to suggest that contrary to what some of may have feared, Blu Ray is gaining a foothold in the UK. But it makes the lack of new Bond Blu Rays here even more perplexing.

On a separate note, I've just seen that most marvellous documentary about the Moon landings - In The Shadow Of The Moon - on Blu Ray. Stunning, absolutely stunning. No narration - just the astronauts talking about their experiences over the most remarkable footage. The crap about the moon landings having been faked is also debunked amusingly...

It does seem that way I agree. HMV are virtually giving away some standard definition DVD's, especially during their 'sales'. Look at blu ray and its tucked away and you have to part with the best part of £20 for a disc.


It pains me that when HMV have their sales, it never includes the blu rays! For me, the ONLY thing holding back blu ray is the price of the disks. How do they expect the format to really take off when the blu ray can cost £25 a pop but the self same movie on DVD costs £8?


I'm not sure I'd buy anything from HMV ever again; everything is overpriced. For me, all my Blu Rays or DVDs come from play.com or Amazon.

#836 williarob

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Posted 28 July 2009 - 08:14 PM

Just Created this site for all your Bond on Blu-ray needs:

http://www.bondonbluray.com

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Edited by williarob, 28 July 2009 - 09:17 PM.


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Posted 28 July 2009 - 11:27 PM

On a separate note, I've just seen that most marvellous documentary about the Moon landings - In The Shadow Of The Moon - on Blu Ray. Stunning, absolutely stunning. No narration - just the astronauts talking about their experiences over the most remarkable footage. The crap about the moon landings having been faked is also debunked amusingly...

Nice - I just bumped this up in my Netflix queue. B)

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Posted 28 July 2009 - 11:58 PM

Dee Bee Five - Couldn't agree more with your In The Shadow Of The Moon review. I rented it about a year ago on DVD and watched it at least twice. Very cool and highly recommended.

Is it in the UK on blu ray? I don't think it is out here in the US on blu ray yet.

Amazon usually has the best pricing on blu ray. They have been very aggressive with a lot of great blu ray deals lately too.

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 01:33 AM

Dee Bee Five - Couldn't agree more with your In The Shadow Of The Moon review. I rented it about a year ago on DVD and watched it at least twice. Very cool and highly recommended.

Is it in the UK on blu ray? I don't think it is out here in the US on blu ray yet.

Amazon usually has the best pricing on blu ray. They have been very aggressive with a lot of great blu ray deals lately too.

Damn, I just checked my Netflix queue & it is DVD only. B)

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 01:34 AM

Dee Bee Five - Couldn't agree more with your In The Shadow Of The Moon review. I rented it about a year ago on DVD and watched it at least twice. Very cool and highly recommended.

Is it in the UK on blu ray? I don't think it is out here in the US on blu ray yet.

Amazon usually has the best pricing on blu ray. They have been very aggressive with a lot of great blu ray deals lately too.

Damn, I just checked my Netflix queue & it is DVD only. B)