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[Qwerty]

Now on the CBn main page...

Snakehead Camera System Soars In 'Quantum of Solace'

Put to use during the aerial filming in Mexico

[HildebrandRarity]

Sounds like a total blast.

I hope they can match that amazing pre-titles sequence from Moonraker. I was completely blown away as a youngster by that free-fall scene in the theatre in 1979.

Here's hoping for something totally Bondian in the skies come the Fall/Autumn...without the comedy, that is!

[Skudor]

That sounds like it could be awesome. Glad to see that the franchise is doing something that sounds sort of cutting edge.

PS - the link in the article doesn't link to this thread.

[MarcAngeDraco]

That sounds like it could be awesome. Glad to see that the franchise is doing something that sounds sort of cutting edge.

Indeed! I hadn't been too excited about this aerial scene (just another scene with planes), but this may make it considerably more interesting...

[HildebrandRarity]

Beats the hell out of the last Bourne and Greengrass' shakey cam, something which went out of style back in early 2000s.

Greengrass, in fact, has shown his lack of class and lack of vision by publicly dissing James Bond and over-using shakey cam...whereas Eon have shown IMMENSE vision by employing THE BEST talent in virtually every field, including in the areas of director and technology. And, they continue to show their class - by effectively ignoring loud-mouthed wannabes like Greengrass.

When audiences look back 20 yrs from now, they'll look to Casino Royale and (i'm betting) Quantum Of Solace as the great adventure thrillers and not the dated, unwatchable, shakey-cam-riddled Bourne Ultimatum, which couldn't hold a candle to the great Bourne Identity.

[Shrublands]

And, they continue to show their class - by effecting ignoring loud-mouthed wannabes like Greengrass.

Well said.

[Simon]

Beats the hell out of the last Bourne and Greengrass' shakey cam, something which went out of style back in early 2000s.

There is an element of 'proof of the pudding' to be awaited here following the diting process.

There were some wonderfully graceful shots of the ice lake chase in DAD which were all but completely unused in preference of editing in all of the gadget shots. All the best shots of this chase are in the James Bond on Ice documentary.

[Qwerty]

That sounds like it could be awesome. Glad to see that the franchise is doing something that sounds sort of cutting edge.

PS - the link in the article doesn't link to this thread.

Gotcha - thanks, Skudor.

[HildebrandRarity]

And, they continue to show their class - by effecting ignoring loud-mouthed wannabes like Greengrass.

Well said.

Sorry about the typo...meant to say: "by effectively ignoring loud-mouthed wannabes like Greengrass."

[Daddy Bond]

I'm really looking forward to seeing how this will look on screen. It has always seemed like there were serious limitations when shooting scenes while flying, I wonder if this will be as revolutionary as the steady cam (at least for aerial shots)???

[kneelbeforezod]

Beats the hell out of the last Bourne and Greengrass' shakey cam, something which went out of style back in early 2000s.

Greengrass, in fact, has shown his lack of class and lack of vision by publicly dissing James Bond and over-using shakey cam...whereas Eon have shown IMMENSE vision by employing THE BEST talent in virtually every field, including in the areas of director and technology. And, they continue to show their class - by effectively ignoring loud-mouthed wannabes like Greengrass.

When audiences look back 20 yrs from now, they'll look to Casino Royale and (i'm betting) Quantum Of Solace as the great adventure thrillers and not the dated, unwatchable, shakey-cam-riddled Bourne Ultimatum, which couldn't hold a candle to the great Bourne Identity.

What is it with you always having to create an "enemy" to be slagged off, and at the same time bigging up Eon? First it was Haggis, now its Greengrass. Do you deliberately exaggerate for effect?

As I understand it, Greengrass just doesn't like the character of James Bond, and what he perceives it represents: a certain imperialism and misogyny. Thats just his opinion, not one I share, but its his view. It doesn't demonstrate a lack of class in any way.

And the phrase "shakey-cam" is a really annoying form of reductionism which people use to undermine something that just isn't to their tastes: Greengrass doesn't just shake the camera about aimlessly, there is some serious, complex action filmmaking technique going on there that even Steven Spielberg appreciates.

Its much more likely that audiences will look back in 20 years and enjoy all the Bourne films and the Craig Bonds as great examples of action filmmaking. Theres room for both.

Edited by kneelbeforezod, 13 May 2008 - 03:18 PM.

[HildebrandRarity]

Beats the hell out of the last Bourne and Greengrass' shakey cam, something which went out of style back in early 2000s.

Greengrass, in fact, has shown his lack of class and lack of vision by publicly dissing James Bond...

As I understand it, Greengrass just doesn't like the character of James Bond...

...which means he'll never get near a James Bond film*.

Good!




*Unless he pays up for a ticket.

[Shrublands]

And, they continue to show their class - by effecting ignoring loud-mouthed wannabes like Greengrass.

Well said.

Sorry about the typo...meant to say: "by effectively ignoring loud-mouthed wannabes like Greengrass."

...and I agree all the same.

[Daddy Bond]

As a huge fan of Bourne, I was pretty irritated by the camera use in the Bourne films, especially this last one. At times it is great for the action, at other times it annoyed me.

[Skudor]

As a huge fan of Bourne, I was pretty irritated by the camera use in the Bourne films, especially this last one. At times it is great for the action, at other times it annoyed me.

The shakey cam use in Supremacy was at time too much. It felt like the suspence was derived from the fact that you couldn't see what was happenening, which seems counter productive in a movie.

Did anyone else chuckle at the name of this new camera technology... snakehead made me think of something completely different.

[kneelbeforezod]

...which means he'll never get near a James Bond film*.

Good!

Yeah! He's a talentless, classless scumbag and the sooner his career is in ruins the better!

Thank God for those folk at Eon, whose boundless humility, prescience, altruism, flair and genius inspires me to be a better man... no... a better human being every day! God bless you Eon, England's rose!

[HildebrandRarity]

...which means he'll never get near a James Bond film*.

Good!

Yeah! He's a ... classless scumbag ...

Thank God for those folk at Eon, whose boundless humility, prescience, altruism, flair and genius inspires me to be a better man... no... a better human being every day! God bless you Eon, England's rose!

Generally agreed! Except for the last bit. The two folk who run Eon are Americans. Even James Bond needs some good old Marshall Aid.

[kneelbeforezod]

The shakey cam use in Supremacy was at time too much. It felt like the suspence was derived from the fact that you couldn't see what was happenening, which seems counter productive in a movie.

I actually agree that there are moments in Supremacy that cross the line and become a bit bewildering, but overall I can see what they are trying to achieve.

As`Spielberg himself said:

"Quick-cutting is very effective in some movies – like the “Bourne” pictures – but you sacrifice geography when you go for quick-cutting.

[That] is fine because audiences get a huge adrenaline rush from a cut every second and a half [in] “The Bourne Ultimatum”.

There’s just enough geography for the audience never to be lost especially in the last “Bourne” film, which I thought was the best of the three."

[dodge]

Beats the hell out of the last Bourne and Greengrass' shakey cam, something which went out of style back in early 2000s.

There is an element of 'proof of the pudding' to be awaited here following the diting process.
There were some wonderfully graceful shots of the ice lake chase in DAD which were all but completely unused in preference of editing in all of the gadget shots. All the best shots of this chase are in the James Bond on Ice documentary.

Thanks for pointing that out. I've always felt that the fight scenes in TND, which should have been superb with Michelle Yeoh on board, were ruined in the editing. Similarly Jet Li has pretty much been wasted in his American efforts. Hip-hop Fu just ain't for me. Anyway, I'll keep an eye for that Ice documentary. Might afford the chance for me to see DAD more fairly.

[Mr. Blofeld]

...which means he'll never get near a James Bond film*.

Yeah! He's a ... classless scumbag ...

Thank God for those folk at Eon, whose boundless humility, prescience, altruism, flair and genius inspires me to be a better man... no... a better human being every day! God bless you Eon, England's rose!

Generally agreed! Except for the last bit. The two folk who run Eon are Americans. Even James Bond needs some good old Marshall Aid.

In the Cold War mindset, are we, lads? How very Fleming-esque...

[HildebrandRarity]

...which means he'll never get near a James Bond film*.

Yeah! He's a ... classless scumbag ...

Thank God for those folk at Eon, whose boundless humility, prescience, altruism, flair and genius inspires me to be a better man... no... a better human being every day! God bless you Eon, England's rose!

Generally agreed! Except for the last bit. The two folk who run Eon are Americans. Even James Bond needs some good old Marshall Aid.

In the Cold War mindset, are we...? How very Fleming-esque...

Well, not quite...let's not forget that Her Majesty's Secret Servant is largely funded by Yank and Jap money these days...

[Judo chop]

That sounds like it could be awesome. Glad to see that the franchise is doing something that sounds sort of cutting edge.

YES! At long last, too. And here's to hoping they keep the cutting edge end up. No more entire decades of technical faltering, please. Not in my lifetime at least.

[Robinson]

[quote name='kneelbeforezod' post='870073' date='13 May 2008 - 17:22'][quote name='Skudor' post='870067' date='13 May 2008 - 17:14']The shakey cam use in Supremacy was at time too much. It felt like the suspence was derived from the fact that you couldn't see what was happenening, which seems counter productive in a movie.[/quote]
I actually agree that there are moments in Supremacy that cross the line and become a bit bewildering, but overall I can see what they are trying to achieve.

As`Spielberg himself said:

"Quick-cutting is very effective in some movies

[kneelbeforezod]

I felt "Ultimatum" was lacking because the story was repetetive

I'm actually amazed more people didn't complain about this. I enjoyed the film thoroughly, but the extent to which it simply repeated stuff from Supremacy really surprised me.

[Judo chop]

I felt "Ultimatum" was lacking because the story was repetetive

I'm actually amazed more people didn't complain about this. I enjoyed the film thoroughly, but the extent to which it simply repeated stuff from Supremacy really surprised me.

Absolutely it did. I've only seen Sup twice and Ult once, but I don

[kneelbeforezod]

[quote name='Judo chop' post='870452' date='14 May 2008 - 20:00'][quote name='kneelbeforezod' post='870399' date='14 May 2008 - 11:25'][quote name='Robinson' post='870373' date='14 May 2008 - 16:24']I felt "Ultimatum" was lacking because the story was repetetive[/quote]
I'm actually amazed more people didn't complain about this. I enjoyed the film thoroughly, but the extent to which it simply repeated stuff from Supremacy really surprised me.
[/quote]
Absolutely it did. I've only seen Sup twice and Ult once, but I don

[HildebrandRarity]

Just more evidence of Doug Liman's superiority over Greengrass.

When we look back on December 31, 2009 on the 'Top 10 Of The Decade', it will be The Bourne Identity from '02 that will show up on people's list and not the two that followed. And, somewhere on that list the 9-time BAFTA-nominated Casino Royale will no doubt make an appearence...and, hopefully, Quantum Of Solace (Snakey-head-cam and all) too.

[kneelbeforezod]

Just more evidence of Doug Liman's superiority over Greengrass.

Its evidence of nothing of the sort I'm afraid. The Bourne Identity is looking more and more like a fluke, as Liman followed it up with the bloated Mr and Mrs Smith and the utterly crap Jumper. He isn't in Greengrass's league.

When we look back on December 31, 2009 on the 'Top 10 Of The Decade', it will be The Bourne Identity from '02 that will show up on people's list and not the two that followed.

When you look back on December 31, 2009 on the 'Top 10 Of The Decade', it will be The Bourne Identity from '02 that will show up on your list and not the two that followed.

And you are very much in the minority on that one.

[Colossus]

Ultimatum was practically one long action sequence. I hate the shakey-cam approach of Paul Greengrass. I liked the more classical approach of filming, using steady smooth movements with closeup inserts occasionally to convey that 'youre there' thing, just like that FRWL train fight, simple and beautiful.

When the camera is shaking on two people sitting in a diner you know there's a problem.

Edited by Colossus, 15 May 2008 - 04:46 AM.

[HildebrandRarity]

When we look back on December 31, 2009 on the 'Top 10 Of The Decade', it will be The Bourne Identity from '02 that will show up on people's list and not the two that followed.

When you look back on December 31, 2009 on the 'Top 10 Of The Decade', it will be The Bourne Identity from '02 that will show up on your list and not the two that followed.

And you are very much in the minority on that one.

Really, eh?

I'm in the minority? LOL

Take a pole. Start a thread and see where people put Identity, Supremacy and Ultimatum.

I don't think i'm in the minority with the opinion that The Bourne Identity will be THE movie of the three that will show up on the Top 10 Of The Decade lists.

As I said, take a pole.

Also take a pole to see which one people think suffers from the over-use of the so-called 'shakey cam' methodology of hand-held filming. I think most would vote for Ultimatum as its use of shakey-cam was unbearably irritating.