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[PrinceKamalKhan]

Another one for the Dalton fans!

http://uk.youtube.co...h?v=nB_I_aNbYdE

Very good Gav . Can you do a GoldenEye trailer with Dalton, please? That would be fascinating to see.

[Gav]

Wow Im getting requests now am I? I had already thought of this, so yes, I will give it a go. It might be harder though. But I will try.

Thanks for the support.

[dodge]

Quoting Solace:
I wonder what would the later films have looked like if dalton had continued doing GE, TND etc being followed by Craig. Would anyone out their have preferred this?

I've come to appreciate Tim more and more and wish he'd closed out on a high note: GE. But I wouldn't have liked seeing Bond go straight from Tim to Craig. The whole thing works better, in my eyes, with Broz there to buffer between them. Good post.

I would have Sean Bean as Bond. Also when you say GE, do you mean the version we got or that early draft ?

I was thinking of the version we got. Really don't know much about the early draft--can you tell me anything about it?

[Blonde Bond]

I watched 'Hot Fuzz' again yesterday and I have to say that Timothy Dalton still looked fairly good and Bondian.

Would be pretty great if Edgar Wright & Simon Pegg would write him a Bond-like role for some near future movie. Either give the man a minor role in some 'Wright/Pegg' written movie that would play as a homage to the spy-genre, or get him in the spotlight, with Pegg in a minor, or dare I say, in sidekick role

[Mister E]

Recently I acquired the first draft of GOLDENEYE with Dalton in mind. It certaintly was an interesting read. There were one too many action scenes, including the helicopters armed with buzz saws and the underground nuclear bomb detetination that both ended up in THE WORLD IS NOT ENOUGH, but it wasn't that bad. The dialogue was far less annoying and I prefer an older Trevelyan, but a stronger motivation could have helped him like what we had in the finished film. I suppose I'll make a pdf file sometime in the future for people to download. In the meantime, I'll answer any questions people have about the script.

[sthgilyadgnivileht]

Another one for the Dalton fans!

http://uk.youtube.co...h?v=nB_I_aNbYdE

Fantastic! Love the editing!

I must say I like every actor who played Bond, Dalton was also that good. I love The Living Daylights, one of the most underrated Bondfilms, in my opinion.

Agreed, TLD is one very overlooked underrated film. As much as I like GE and TND, TLD is better than all the Brosnan films IMO.

This is not my video but found this and think its a brilliant trailer: Apologies if its been posted before!
http://uk.youtube.co...h?v=liE4921BovE

[JADSTERSDAD]

Am deeply saddened to see nothing on IMDb for Tim since Hot Fuzz. How can this be? we love ya, Big Tim!

Indeed. It defies belief. One of our best actors. But notoriously private, we know. Wonder if anyone has managed to contact him successfully...

[MkB]

I've just watched TLD for the first time in years, and I must say Dalton was definitely good. I've never been a great fan of his, but I might very well change my mind

[Ravenstone]

There's nothing I can add to the glowing tributes already voiced on this thread, except to join in. Dalton simply was Bond to me. He's what I see in my head when I read the books. He's got a dangerous, predatory look to him, yet he can still switch on the emotionless mask; and when he turns on the charming smile, he's devastating. He delivered the lines in a way that was far more natural than any other Bond. Even the snippets of humour are delivered as asides. With Moore and Brosnan, I always got the feeling they were pausing for applause after each witticism. Dalton says them easily and naturally, as though they just occurred to him.

In short, Dalton was marvellous. I would have loved to have seen him in Goldeneye. Either version. I would have loved to have seen him in OHMSS, although he would have been too young admittedly. Whatever, I certainly bitterly regret that there's only two Dalton Bond films.

He still looked remarkably good in Hot Fuzz, so I can't believe he couldn't have carried Goldeneye. He wouldn't have looked too old by any means.

Ah, the bitter-sweet pleasures of What If?

[solace]

Another one for the Dalton fans!

http://uk.youtube.co...h?v=nB_I_aNbYdE

Just watched this. Absolute class. Loved it!

[69' DBS]

Well said...TD was a return to Ian Fleming's hero as presented in the novels.

TLD was pure genius, and, although the script for LTK was perhaps a bit dark, TD did his best with the material.

[Gav]

Just watched this. Absolute class. Loved it!

Thank you!

TLD was pure genius, and, although the script for LTK was perhaps a bit dark, TD did his best with the material.

I disagree, I think Casino Royale is darker than LTK.

RAVENSTONE: Couldnt agree more. Although Dalton left of his own accord before GE, he wasnt let go because he couldnt carry it.

[Aris Kristatos]

Its odd I watched all the Bond films when I was younger and didnt really like Dalton and his films that much.

I also think they got repeated on TV less so I hadnt seen much of them. Anyway I bought all the DVDs and watched them all back to back and I saw Daltons Bond in a new light.

I like the way his two films are 'thinking' Bonds. I love the fact The Living Daylights is like a game of tactical chess trying to think one step ahead of the other person and watching it the first time you do believe Koskov is defecting then being stolen back.

Licence to Kill is slightly different but I like the way he plays himself into Sanchez gang and takes him out from the inside and I do like the finish dont you want to know why?

I certainly would have liked to have seen Dalton do more films, not onwards (as I thought Brosnan was good in GoldenEye) but I would have liked to have seen him take over from Moore in about 83 and done Octopussy and A View To A Kill.

I liked Daltons more harder edged Bond and it annoys me some what Craig gets all this great praise for being gritty and being Bond like hes never been before, yeah apart from when Dalton did a similiar thing 20 years ago!

[jaguar007]

TLD is in my top 5 favorite BOnd films. I think had Dalton been it GE, it could have been a much better movie (I never really bought Brosnan as a 00 in GE).

[Gav]

I disagree, I loved GE and thought Brosnan was great in it. You can tell it was a Dalton film originally by the moody Bond character and the gritty direction.

[ChrissBond007]

I don't see the problem with Brosnan in Goldeneye. I love GE (it's in my top 3 Bondfilms) and Brosnan was great in it too! I think Dalton could have made it a good film aswell, but no problem, I thought Brosnan was exellent in it.

I love TLD too, but GE easily top it on my list.

Edited by ChrissBond007, 06 November 2008 - 01:53 PM.

[Agent 0015]

He is my favorite Bond. Dalton has this dark, suave voice and look about him that makes everyone women swoon. What made me angry is that he was critized because he was too dark for Bond. But Daniel Craig was praised for being dark and mysterious. I loved Daniel, but he should give thanks to Dalton for making Bond the way Fleming wrote it.

[Gav]

He is my favorite Bond. Dalton has this dark, suave voice and look about him that makes everyone women swoon. What made me angry is that he was critized because he was too dark for Bond. But Daniel Craig was praised for being dark and mysterious. I loved Daniel, but he should give thanks to Dalton for making Bond the way Fleming wrote it.

Too damn right. Ive been saying this for AGES. Dalton did it first!

[Stephen Spotswood]

I'd still like to see Dalton starring in a series of Dr Who films.

[Stephen Spotswood]

Am deeply saddened to see nothing on IMDb for Tim since Hot Fuzz. How can this be? we love ya, Big Tim!

Indeed. It defies belief. One of our best actors. But notoriously private, we know. Wonder if anyone has managed to contact him successfully...

Actually, unfortunately, Dalton was of the generation where heroes had to be gritter looking, like the long haired and bearded hero Jeff Bridges played in both The Thing, and the King Kong remakes. People with the skills and looks of Timothy Dalton, John Finch, and even George Hamilton were considered too old school for the counter-culture holdovers.

[DrNoNo]

Recently watched TLD and LTK back to back. I think TLD is a very underrated Bond movie. TD was great. The plot was a little too much to digest at once and some of the baddies were a little goofy, but overall, a very good entry in the series.

LTK is not as good as TLD. But TD is still great and did the best he could with what he was given.

I would have liked to had seen more movies with TD

[NecroVMX]

While Craig in my mind is the best Bond, the reason I'm into the films/books is because of Tim Dalton.

When I was a kid of around 11 or so, I had no idea what James Bond was, and had never seen any of the films. Spending the summer at my grandparents, I did see a lot of movies on TV (they had cable, at home we didn't at the time.) One night we watched some film with the crazy title "The Living Daylights"

It was seriously the coolest thing I had seen at the time.

I still had no idea for a while throughout my childhood that the film was part of a series, much less the 15h movie, but when I came back to it, I've always remembered TLD very fondly.

[O.H.M.S.S.]

A true Bond fan adores Timothy Dalton's approach and regrets that he only did two.

[Gav]

Agreed.

[double o ego]

A true Bond fan adores Timothy Dalton's approach and regrets that he only did two.

Agreed. Also, I think Craig draws a lot of inspiration from Dalton's approach. Dalton is the only Bond that could kill just by looking at you.

[Gav]

I agree again. I wish sheep (read: the masses) would give Dalton more credit instead of just going "bah bah, Craig is the best Bond ever ever bah bah". Dalton did it first!!! Have you ever seen Craig set a villain alight, drag a bad guy into a mincer or throw another to the sharks?

[O.H.M.S.S.]

I agree again. I wish sheep (read: the masses) would give Dalton more credit instead of just going "bah bah, Craig is the best Bond ever ever bah bah". Dalton did it first!!! Have you ever seen Craig set a villain alight, drag a bad guy into a mincer or throw another to the sharks?

Fantastic, I see you know your subject.
I agree 100%.

[Gav]

Thank YOU!

[byline]

I love Dalton, and before Craig, he was my favorite Bond. As it is, he ranks second, which is pretty high up there. He was the first Bond to make me believe there was something stirring behind his eyes other than cold malice. Connery and Moore both had their moments, but Dalton was the one who really convinced me that there was a complexity to his thoughts/actions.

The problem with the Dalton era is, first, that we sadly got too few films with him. But secondly, as much as he wanted to be a different Bond, his films are so loaded with the old Moore iconology that it's hard for me to take them as seriously as I do Craig's. Craig benefits not only from his own superb acting skills, but also superb writing. Dalton was a wonderful Bond, but IMO his portrayal was held back by behind-the-scenes machinations to duplicate much of what went on in the Moore era. So there's a bit of a split-personality aspect to both of Dalton's films. He emerges from the shadows as a darker, more intimidating Bond who's actually scarier than most of the villains he pursues (while showing brief moments of real tenderness, as well as conflict over his role as an agent hired by his government to kill), yet he's saddled with some clownish Moore-isms that undermine the film's intensity.

Strangely enough, I like "The Living Daylights" more than "Licence to Kill" because I feel it achieves a better balance. "Licence to Kill" tries to be different -- and it is -- but it's almost too different for my tastes. I know, I just contradicted myself in a big, big way! Yet I can't explain that basic feeling I have about "Licence to Kill." Maybe it's just personal perception, nothing more. By the time we see Craig's Bond arrive on the scene, it's been buffered by the Brosnan era, which was basically a throwback to the Moore era. I'd grown tired enough of that that Craig's take on the character was a welcome breath of fresh air. I was ready for that kind of Bond. In reality, I was ready back when Dalton played the role . . . but not as ready as I would have liked to have been. If that makes any sense.

[Ravenstone]

Have you ever seen Craig set a villain alight, drag a bad guy into a mincer or throw another to the sharks?

Right. That's it. Now I've got to watch TLD and LTK again, very soon!